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hamham 
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 Posted: June 15 2006 at 16:51 |
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haha, who said DT was a power prog band?
that is not very true :\
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horza
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Joined: August 31 2005
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 16:53 |
Symphony X for me 
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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imoeng
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Joined: February 03 2006
Location: Indonesia
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 16:57 |
have i said this before??
Dream Theater
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 16:59 |
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"Mastodon sucks giant monkey balls."
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Melomaniac
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Joined: May 07 2006
Location: Canada
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 14:45 |
SYmphony X write songs and add technical moments
DT write songs as pretext to show off
Symphony X have the best prog metal vocalist
DT has Labrie, the most annoying vocalist ever
Symphony X are consistent in putting out quality albums and remain true to their style
DT have Octavarium, Scenes from a Memory, two albums I find WAY too overrated...
Need I say more ?
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Raff
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 14:50 |
Welcome to the club of DT bashers! We always accept new members with great enthusiasm.. 
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micky
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 14:52 |
 Ghost Rider wrote:
Welcome to the club of DT bashers! We always accept new members with great enthusiasm..
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hahahah... that's right.. come join the light... step away from the dark side... much pain and w**kerery do I sense there
Edited by micky - July 30 2006 at 14:53
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Melomaniac
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Location: Canada
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 14:53 |
Really, I used to love DT... Images and Words and Awake are still among my favorite prog metal albums, because they wrote SONGS back then, now all they do is show off... And Labrie ruins everything !
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stonebeard
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Joined: May 27 2005
Location: NE Indiana
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 15:00 |
Melomaniac wrote:
Really, I used to love DT... Images and Words and Awake are still among my favorite prog metal albums, because they wrote SONGS back then, now all they do is show off... And Labrie ruins everything ! |
I don't know how you can say that when Octavarium:
a) ha hardly any showing off, or at least no more than Images and Words or Awake
b) is comprised entirely (except maybe the title track, but even considering that, no prog fan should consider the majority of that track showing off, lest they consider all of prog showing off) of coherent songs.
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OpethGuitarist
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Joined: June 25 2006
Location: United States
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Points: 1655
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 15:13 |
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Pain of Salvation? lol
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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OpethGuitarist
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 25 2006
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 15:14 |
stonebeard wrote:
Melomaniac wrote:
Really, I used to love DT... Images and Words and Awake are
still among my favorite prog metal albums, because they wrote SONGS
back then, now all they do is show off... And Labrie ruins everything
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I don't know how you can say that when Octavarium:
a) ha hardly any showing off, or at least no more than Images and Words or Awake
b) is comprised entirely (except maybe the title track, but even
considering that, no prog fan should consider the majority of that
track showing off, lest they consider all of prog showing off) of
coherent songs. |
Yea, comprised of some coherent songs they STOLE.
Plagiarism is not my idea of something good.
However, they do not show off on that record, I will give you that.
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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stonebeard
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:04 |
^ If you can make a claim that they stole a song and committed plagiarism, prove it. Provide links to scores of the songs that they plagiarized as well as the score for the song that is suspect so I can compare the two. I am intrigued by this, because so many people say that they copied music on Octavarium.
Common examples:
"Oh, the intro to "Octavarium is such a rip-off of Pink Floyd."
--Which song? "Shine On" you might say. Do you really, truly think they ripped off that song? Just because a guitar solos over airy synth chords does not mean anybody is plagiarizing anybody!!! Ever think that Dream Theater liked how that sounded. If nobody did anything like any other kind of music, then Fantomas and Mr. Bungle would be the only artists not quilty of plagiarism!!!!
"Oh, the intro to "Never Enough" sounds exactly like Muse."
--Do you ever think that maybe Muse needs to get a different sound or do something different if just 13 seconds of a Dream Theater song can be attributed to a band's entire catelog!!!
I know it may be hard to legally acquire scores to Dream Theater and Pink Floyd/Muse/whatever band's music that Dream Theater so obviously plagiarized, but if your going to condemn them and brush off songs because the band OBVIOUSLY STOLE music from other bands (Who surely didn't borrow ideas they liked from other bands. Heaven forbid!!!), you better be able to prove it. Or maybe it's just a simple case of Dream Theater writing a song without doing something radically new and just making enjoyable music (enjoyable if you didn't know it was Dream Theater beforehand, that is....)?
Edited by stonebeard - July 30 2006 at 20:06
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micky
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:21 |
stonebeard wrote:
^ If you can make a claim that they stole a song and committed plagiarism,
prove it. Provide links to scores of the songs that they plagiarized as
well as the score for the song that is suspect so I can compare the
two. I am intrigued by this, because so many people say that they
copied music on Octavarium.
Common examples:
"Oh, the intro to "Octavarium is such a rip-off of Pink Floyd."
--Which song? "Shine On" you might say. Do you really, truly think
they ripped off that song? Just because a guitar solos over airy synth
chords does not mean anybody is plagiarizing anybody!!! Ever think that
Dream Theater liked how that sounded. If nobody did anything like any
other kind of music, then Fantomas and Mr. Bungle would be the
only artists not quilty of plagiarism!!!!
"Oh, the intro to "Never Enough" sounds exactly like Muse."
--Do you ever think that maybe Muse needs to get a different sound
or do something different if just 13 seconds of a Dream Theater song
can be attributed to a band's entire catelog!!!
I know it may be hard to legally acquire scores to Dream Theater
and Pink Floyd/Muse/whatever band's music that Dream Theater so
obviously plagiarized, but if your going to condemn them and brush off
songs because the band OBVIOUSLY STOLE music from other bands (Who surely didn't borrow ideas they
liked from other bands. Heaven forbid!!!), you better be able to prove
it. Or maybe it's just a simple case of Dream Theater writing a song
without doing something radically new and just making enjoyable music (enjoyable if you didn't know it was Dream Theater beforehand, that is....)? |
whoa... seriously claims indeed...
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AtLossForWords
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 11 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 6699
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:22 |
stonebeard wrote:
I know it may be hard to legally acquire scores to Dream Theater and Pink Floyd/Muse/whatever band's music that Dream Theater so obviously plagiarized, but if your going to condemn them and brush off songs because the band OBVIOUSLY STOLE music from other bands (Who surely didn't borrow ideas they liked from other bands. Heaven forbid!!!), you better be able to prove it. Or maybe it's just a simple case of Dream Theater writing a song without doing something radically new and just making enjoyable music (enjoyable if you didn't know it was Dream Theater beforehand, that is....)? |
Great post Stony, but I think it's more that Dream Theater took influence from those particular bands and songs, and that is very apparent on Octavarium. That's why they have to whole lyrical section in the middle of the title track. Octavarium was their eighth album and 20th anniversary album, and they wanted to make an album that shows where a lot of their influence comes from. The album is somewhat of a tribute to certain bands like Genesis, Pink Floyd, and etc. There are some similar ideas that both bands used, but it's very hard to make a case that any songs are plagarized.
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"Mastodon sucks giant monkey balls."
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micky
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:24 |
AtLossForWords wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
I know it may be hard to legally acquire scores to Dream Theater
and Pink Floyd/Muse/whatever band's music that Dream Theater so
obviously plagiarized, but if your going to condemn them and brush off
songs because the band OBVIOUSLY STOLE music from other bands (Who surely didn't borrow ideas they
liked from other bands. Heaven forbid!!!), you better be able to prove
it. Or maybe it's just a simple case of Dream Theater writing a song
without doing something radically new and just making enjoyable music (enjoyable if you didn't know it was Dream Theater beforehand, that is....)? |
Great post Stony, but I think it's more that Dream Theater took
influence from those particular bands and songs, and that is very
apparent on Octavarium. That's why they have to whole lyrical
section in the middle of the title track. Octavarium was their
eighth album and 20th anniversary album, and they wanted to make an
album that shows where a lot of their influence comes from. The
album is somewhat of a tribute to certain bands like Genesis, Pink
Floyd, and etc. There are some similar ideas that both bands
used, but it's very hard to make a case that any songs are plagarized. |
it's a shame how some people can't differentiate between an homage or outright stealing.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Tony R
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:30 |
Mickey wrote:
it's a shame how some people can't differentiate between an homage or outright stealing. |
Sources have informed me that the follow up to Octavarium is titled "Plagiarism."
Although under oath I might admit to making that one up.... 
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micky
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:36 |
Tony R wrote:
Mickey wrote:
it's a shame how some people can't differentiate between an homage or outright stealing. |
Sources have informed me that the follow up to Octavarium is titled "Plagiarism."
Although under oath I might admit to making that one up....
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hahaha... now that is not constructive and you just screwed up my olive
branch to all the DT fans I've offended. I was giving them the
benefit of the doubt... oh well..
now you've given me the green light to wage unrestricted war on Dream Theater again.............. thanks!
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AtLossForWords
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 11 2005
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:42 |
Tony R wrote:
Mickey wrote:
it's a shame how some people can't differentiate between an homage or outright stealing. |
Sources have informed me that the follow up to Octavarium is titled "Plagiarism."
Although under oath I might admit to making that one up....
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Quite a speedy informant you have there.
Is this him?
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"Mastodon sucks giant monkey balls."
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stonebeard
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Location: NE Indiana
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:45 |
AtLossForWords wrote:
Tony R wrote:
Mickey wrote:
it's a shame how some people can't differentiate between an homage or outright stealing. |
Sources have informed me that the follow up to Octavarium is titled "Plagiarism."
Although under oath I might admit to making that one up....
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Quite a speedy informant you have there.
Is this him?
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the URL has "reedlover" in it.
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micky
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:47 |
stonebeard wrote:
AtLossForWords wrote:
Tony
R wrote:
Mickey wrote:
it's a shame how some people can't differentiate
between an homage or outright stealing. |
Sources have informed me that the follow up to Octavarium is titled "Plagiarism."
Although under oath I might admit to making that one up....
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Quite a speedy informant you have there.
Is this him?
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the URL has "reedlover" in it. |
*micky spills tea in lap having given up beer because of mass wasteage*
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