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Bj-1 
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 Posted: June 13 2006 at 23:58 |
Symphony X = Great, But I like DT slightly better. Meshuggah PWNS'em both though 
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Jeff Schu
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 00:10 |
 Into_Oblivion wrote:
I Highly Disagree with Atlossforwords. Russel Allens Vocals definently kicks James LaBrie in the balls. I also agree with Walrus 333 that Romeo is definently better at guitar than petrucci. And i think DT has the upper hand on Keyboards,Bass, And Drums. It really makes me mad when people act like DT is SUPERIOR to all other Prog-Metal Bands and that is very untrue. |
Romeo may have the slight edge in sheer chops but Petrucci has him beat in versatility by a long shot.
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chamberry
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 00:26 |
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Dream Theater has an edge in Symphony X in everything, But Symphony X is a good band also. . . just not as good as DT
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 00:40 |
chamberry wrote:
Dream Theater has an edge in Symphony X in everything, But Symphony X is a good band also. . . just not as good as DT |
Well said!
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dagrush
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 01:19 |
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Time-Machinist
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 07:50 |
Labrie vs. Allen? No DT fanboy must not cross the line! Trust your ears, not your "D.T. is better than everything" judgement!
1-They use different vocal techniques, and it is not very proper to compare them.
2-Allen obviously does what he does far more better than Labrie...
3-As a glam influenced vocalist, can Labrie be better than John West? Of course nooo!
Edited by Time-Machinist - June 14 2006 at 07:50
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Progshrike
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 08:17 |
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I used to be a big Dream Theater fan until I went to Gigantour last year and FYE had a tent to meet the bands and get your CD signed. Dream Theater was the only band, even Dave Mustaine came out to meet people, that didn't come out to meet anyone. You could get your CD signed but they did it backstage. I lost a lot of respect for DT over this. Then after the show we got to hang around by the buses, a buddy of mine is good friends with Megadeth's sound guy, and Russ Allen stood and talked to us for over an hour. He was one of the coolest people I've met and I walked away a lot bigger SymX fan. By the way DT was nowhere to be found after the show.
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bapazian
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 08:28 |
The Miracle wrote:
DT = amazing.
SymX = cheesy, overblown and boring.
William Hung = owns both.
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I agree with this though DT can be cheesy at times as well just less often (all prog metal can get cheesy i guess). I think what really kills me about symphony X is the really cheesy lyrics/vocals talking about slaying dragons and sh*t, just doesn't do it for me. Saw them live at Gigantour though and they're def more fun to hear live, same goes for DT.
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 08:43 |
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Symphony X has the edge over DT because they keep progressive power metal HEAVY without ever sounding 'neo-prog', as DT seems to be so fond of doing.
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W.Chuck
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 11:12 |
Symphony X!
Their compositions are by far more interesting, there's always a harmony of the parts within every song and they have a much bigger longevity.
Of course they are pretty much a neo-classical band, with not so many Jazzier parts, but since they use different types of classic music out of various epochs I can't call it boring and furthermore their blend of metal and symphonic, classical music is just unique, imo.
Saying that SymphonyX are stuck in 4/4 rhythms is absolutely untrue, of course they use them, but in combination with A LOT OF other rhythms.
I find Dt rather boring, their metal sound is to overblown and the neo-prog influence just isn't as great as the true neo-prog bands.
AtLossforWords wrote:
The Odyssey places a novice orchestral introduction, but then shifts instantly shifts to a metal timbre never to chance. |
What's your problem with that? They are a metal band,
not a pink floyd cover group and I'm really thankfull that they didn't exceeded the first part too long, since it would be probably a lot more draggy.
I can understand that some people like Dream Theater, I don't...
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 13:20 |
GoldenSpiral wrote:
Symphony X has the edge over DT because they keep progressive power metal HEAVY without ever sounding 'neo-prog', as DT seems to be so fond of doing. |
Why don't we give Dream Theater credit for keeping lame power metal influence out of progressive metal? 
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Dream Theater
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 15:05 |
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I think Dream Theater is a big Symphony X influence and that's why I voted for DT.
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 15:09 |
AtLossForWords wrote:
GoldenSpiral wrote:
Symphony X has the edge over DT because they keep progressive power metal HEAVY without ever sounding 'neo-prog', as DT seems to be so fond of doing. |
Why don't we give Dream Theater credit for keeping lame power metal influence out of progressive metal? |
because DT is progressive power metal, just minus the heavy.
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 15:48 |
GoldenSpiral wrote:
AtLossForWords wrote:
GoldenSpiral wrote:
Symphony X has the edge over DT because they keep progressive power metal HEAVY without ever sounding 'neo-prog', as DT seems to be so fond of doing. |
Why don't we give Dream Theater credit for keeping lame power metal influence out of progressive metal? |
because DT is progressive power metal, just minus the heavy.
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There's no power metal influence in DT. They don't sing about nights, they don't do boring gallop rythymns. Dream Theater is about x1000 more prog than Symphony X.
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Jeff Schu
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 22:08 |
AtLossForWords wrote:
GoldenSpiral wrote:
AtLossForWords wrote:
GoldenSpiral wrote:
Symphony X has the edge over DT because they keep progressive power metal HEAVY without ever sounding 'neo-prog', as DT seems to be so fond of doing. |
Why don't we give Dream Theater credit for keeping lame power metal influence out of progressive metal? |
because DT is progressive power metal, just minus the heavy.
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There's no power metal influence in DT. They don't sing about nights, they don't do boring gallop rythymns. Dream Theater is about x1000 more prog than Symphony X. |
I definately agree on the more Prog part.
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Vendetta2321
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 00:04 |
AtLossForWords wrote:
king volta wrote:
this has been done at least 8 times, and each time i've voted symphony x--and that's not about to change now. i find dream theater rather dull/uninspiring (except for a few tracks on Train of Thought--that's their only album i actually enjoy [and i'll probably be told off by DTFan#1 for that...and all the other numbers]).
Symphony X i find much more emotionally rousing, with their backing choir arrangements and more intense metal compositions. V: TNMS is a wonderful achievement... |
...And here it is!!! 
Let me start out by saying that Symphony X has never done an album with the creative ambition of Dream Theater's Scenes From a Memory, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, and Awake. Symphony X has never been able to pull off the structure and depth to their shorter songs or epics.
Dream Theater consistently does more interesting things with time signatures, key signatures, timbre, and the structure of their epics.
Symphony X has never written a piece with the structrual depth of Octavarium. Both of Symphony X's epics the Divine Wings of Tragedy and the Odyssey fail to change timbre. The Odyssey places a novice orchestral introduction, but then shifts instantly shifts to a metal timbre never to chance. Octavarium shifts through a psychodelic keyboard intro, soft melancholic prog, almost neo-prog, technical instrumental, metal, and professionally orchestrated timbres.
Dream Theater is also much more creative than Symphony X with chordal harmony. Neither Dream Theater or Symphony X have amazing harmony between instruments, but unlike Symphony X, Dream Theater experiments with different types of chord structures. This comes from the jazzy touches Dream Theater has. Symphony X's strict metal roots limit them from exploring modes and other forms of diatonic harmony. Major and minor triads along with root fifth chords are Symphony X's only harmonic tool.
The rythymnic element of Symphony X doesn't even stand a chance against Dream Theater. Symphony X primarily sticks to basic 4/4 rythymns. Dream Theater is not afraid to shift between 4/4, 3/4, 5/4, 11/4, 6/8, 7/8, 14/16, and 15/16 signatures. The bass playing and drumming in Symphony X also lack creativity. John Myung supports melodies in ways Mike LePond just doesn't have the abiity. Jason Rullo just doesn't have the flair for the dramatic or the solo capabilities Portnoy has. |
But you also have to remember that most of DT went to Berkley, a school dedicated to music theory making most of the stuff they do to me (being a musician) not that impressive because they learned it form the best of the best at music college. Michael Romeo as I remember him say is mostly self taught, which by the type of music he writes is very, very impressive. John Petrucci is also in my opinion one of the most overrated guitarists out there today (Don’t kill me for that). Also listen to DT's vocals are well repellent to their music... c'mon can you seriously say that James LaBrie's voice is good? I also don't find Dream Theater that entertaining. I will say that though I do find some DT songs entertaining their music overall just doesn’t do it for me. Symphony X on the other hand has a lot of songs i really can get into.
I think I would be able to get more into DT if they had a different singer and JP mixed his playing up some more, I mean c'mon do you really need every solo to be 260 BPM? and does everything have to be some sort of the Diminished run?
But that’s just my 2 cents...
Edited by Vendetta2321 - June 15 2006 at 00:15
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Australian
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 01:41 |
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I like Symphony X's ideas more but Dream Theater is more interesting and enjoyable to listen to.
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W.Chuck
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 07:15 |
Vendetta2321 wrote:
But you also have to remember that most of DT went to Berkley, a school dedicated to music theory making most of the stuff they do to me (being a musician) not that impressive because they learned it form the best of the best at music college. Michael Romeo as I remember him say is mostly self taught, which by the type of music he writes is very, very impressive. John Petrucci is also in my opinion one of the most overrated guitarists out there today (Don’t kill me for that). Also listen to DT's vocals are well repellent to their music... c'mon can you seriously say that James LaBrie's voice is good? I also don't find Dream Theater that entertaining. I will say that though I do find some DT songs entertaining their music overall just doesn’t do it for me. Symphony X on the other hand has a lot of songs i really can get into.
I think I would be able to get more into DT if they had a different singer and JP mixed his playing up some more, I mean c'mon do you really need every solo to be 260 BPM? and does everything have to be some sort of the Diminished run?
But that’s just my 2 cents... |
fully agreed!
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 15:30 |
Vendetta2321 wrote:
AtLossForWords wrote:
king volta wrote:
this has been done at least 8 times, and each time i've voted symphony x--and that's not about to change now. i find dream theater rather dull/uninspiring (except for a few tracks on Train of Thought--that's their only album i actually enjoy [and i'll probably be told off by DTFan#1 for that...and all the other numbers]).
Symphony X i find much more emotionally rousing, with their backing choir arrangements and more intense metal compositions. V: TNMS is a wonderful achievement... |
...And here it is!!!
Let me start out by saying that Symphony X has never done an album with the creative ambition of Dream Theater's Scenes From a Memory, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, and Awake. Symphony X has never been able to pull off the structure and depth to their shorter songs or epics.
Dream Theater consistently does more interesting things with time signatures, key signatures, timbre, and the structure of their epics.
Symphony X has never written a piece with the structrual depth of Octavarium. Both of Symphony X's epics the Divine Wings of Tragedy and the Odyssey fail to change timbre. The Odyssey places a novice orchestral introduction, but then shifts instantly shifts to a metal timbre never to chance. Octavarium shifts through a psychodelic keyboard intro, soft melancholic prog, almost neo-prog, technical instrumental, metal, and professionally orchestrated timbres.
Dream Theater is also much more creative than Symphony X with chordal harmony. Neither Dream Theater or Symphony X have amazing harmony between instruments, but unlike Symphony X, Dream Theater experiments with different types of chord structures. This comes from the jazzy touches Dream Theater has. Symphony X's strict metal roots limit them from exploring modes and other forms of diatonic harmony. Major and minor triads along with root fifth chords are Symphony X's only harmonic tool.
The rythymnic element of Symphony X doesn't even stand a chance against Dream Theater. Symphony X primarily sticks to basic 4/4 rythymns. Dream Theater is not afraid to shift between 4/4, 3/4, 5/4, 11/4, 6/8, 7/8, 14/16, and 15/16 signatures. The bass playing and drumming in Symphony X also lack creativity. John Myung supports melodies in ways Mike LePond just doesn't have the abiity. Jason Rullo just doesn't have the flair for the dramatic or the solo capabilities Portnoy has. |
But you also have to remember that most of DT went to Berkley, a school dedicated to music theory making most of the stuff they do to me (being a musician) not that impressive because they learned it form the best of the best at music college. Michael Romeo as I remember him say is mostly self taught, which by the type of music he writes is very, very impressive. John Petrucci is also in my opinion one of the most overrated guitarists out there today (Don’t kill me for that). Also listen to DT's vocals are well repellent to their music... c'mon can you seriously say that James LaBrie's voice is good? I also don't find Dream Theater that entertaining. I will say that though I do find some DT songs entertaining their music overall just doesn’t do it for me. Symphony X on the other hand has a lot of songs i really can get into.
I think I would be able to get more into DT if they had a different singer and JP mixed his playing up some more, I mean c'mon do you really need every solo to be 260 BPM? and does everything have to be some sort of the Diminished run?
But that’s just my 2 cents... |
Some people don't like LaBrie, so I can understand that part. I love his voice, it's well enunciate with great range and is operatically trained. LaBrie's vocal harmonies are some of the very best in the genre. Other than Neal Morse, there's no vocalist that I would rather sing along while I listen to than James LaBrie.
What you are saying about Petrucci is nothing but flame. I happen to think he's very underrated. He has the technical ability of guys like Vai, Satriani, and Malmsteen, but he's rarely mentioned in the same sentance. When people talk about G3 they talk about obviously Vai and others, but rarely speak of Petrucci's talents which are more than a match for guys like Malmsteen who are one dimensional players.
Not every solo by Petrucci is shredding at 260 bpm is "The Spirit Carries On" at a fast tempo, no, it's a 12/8 bluesy solo featuring precise bends and etc. Petrucci is x1000 times more verstile than Romeo. Romeo is a metal guitarist. He doesn't have the jazz and blues elements in his playing that Petrucci does.
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Time-Machinist
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 16:50 |
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You should stop that x1000 thing. Dream Theater is not x1000 times prog than Symphony X; and Petrucci is not x1000 times more versatile than Romeo. Should i say Allen is x1000 times more versatile or better than Labrie? No, that's not my style. "I" try to be more objective...
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