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Topic: is Dire Straits prog-related?
Posted: October 21 2011 at 08:16

Most of band music is obviously blues-based rock
But I think at least 2 tracks from Love Over gold album can be classified as prog:
Telegraph road and Private investiations

What do you think?

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 08:24

They've done some stuff I've liked say, Sultans of Swing and Romeo and Juliet but that's beside the point. Their credentials for prog related are minuscule at best i.e. they are clearly neither influenced by or influential to Prog and they first appeared when our beloved genre was tantamount to that unclaimed fart in a crowded elevator (1978)
I have to confess however that I haven't heard either of the two tracks you mention.

Edited by ExittheLemming - October 21 2011 at 08:24

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 08:32

i would say they are more artsy blues rock and since Knophler have an affection for movie scores, that tends to seague into the music (he have also done some film-scores, but that is beside the point) a lot of his music have a movie-esque quality, dramatic quality but less prog then similar minded Supertramp, who also utelize a movie-score-esque dramatourlogy in their music, I would say that Dire Straits are in the artsy rock category with 10cc, Roxy Music and Supertramp, with the focus on the arrangement more then the instrumentation and the music backs up the words and the words are used to propell a personal or observational message, all the 4 mentioned bands are bands with great lyrics and with very scilled musician but it is the words that are the core of the music not the instruments, they ar their to back the dramatourlogy, but that is my opinion

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 09:20

ExittheLemming wrote:

I have to confess however that I haven't heard either of the two tracks you mention.

it deserves to check out .
this song tells a story, so it can be considered 'epic'

and that's a good one too

Edited by awaken77 - October 21 2011 at 09:23

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 09:26

I saw these guys live in the 80s and it was a great live performance - But they are not prog or even related to prog... great music though and Private Investigations is brilliant live!

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 09:52

I would say no.

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 10:27

They have featured in our "Suggest new bands" section several times, the most recent of which being http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=76988

In that thread, you'll see links to the other threads too.

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 10:34

Yes. This has been discussed to death

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 10:36

is Dire Straits prog-related?

No they are MTV related

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 10:39

No.

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 10:48

Snow Dog wrote:

Yes. This has been discussed to death

Yep, you are right

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	Dire Straits: Prog-Related? YES. By JediJoker7169, 07 May 2009 at 22:28 1 2 3 10 11	203	2966	By Marty McFly 12 June 2009 at 05:37
General Music Discussions
	Dire Straits By DJPuffyLemon, 25 July 2008 at 03:06	13	124	By jammun 25 July 2008 at 22:33
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	The Dire Straits By endlessepic, 02 August 2007 at 15:39 1 2	24	523	By Ivan_Melgar_M 11 August 2007 at 19:22

Artists/Bands under evaluation
	Dire Straits By Snow Dog, 04 April 2006 at 05:54 1 2	22	280	By Trotsky 18 April 2006 at 07:37

And of course, always rejected.

Not Prog or PR, but enjoy their music.

And (respectfully),Awaken gives us the best argument against their inclusion:

awaken77 wrote:

Most of band music is obviously blues-based rock
But I think at least 2 tracks from Love Over gold album can be classified as prog:
Telegraph road and Private investigations

Two tracks are not enough in a long career, and we are not even talking about two tracks of the caliber of Close to the Edge, Karn Evil 9, or Supper's Ready, we are talking about two tracks that may have some Prog leanings.

If we were to add bands that had one or two tracks influenced by Prog or even Prog, we would have to include 90% of the early 70?s acts and at least have 500 more artists, of course, y that point, Prog would had lost all it's identity.

Not remotely enough in my humble opinion.

Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - October 21 2011 at 10:58

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 10:59

I'm pretty inclusive, but Dire Straits has not made any impression on me as a suitable candidate for Prog-Related.

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 11:06

No, and I certainly don't see them in the same league (prog wise) as Supertramp or 10cc.

10cc are proper prog BTW *hint hint* (again) LOL

New album!
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 11:10

irrelevant wrote:

No, and I certainly don't see them in the same league (prog wise) as Supertramp or 10cc.

10cc are proper prog BTW *hint hint* (again) LOL

10CC are, indeed, far stronger candidates for inclusion. They were part of the same art rock bunch such as Bowie & Roxy Music in the 1970's.

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 11:18

lazland wrote:

irrelevant wrote:

No, and I certainly don't see them in the same league (prog wise) as Supertramp or 10cc.

10cc are proper prog BTW *hint hint* (again) LOL

10CC are, indeed, far stronger candidates for inclusion. They were part of the same art rock bunch such as Bowie & Roxy Music in the 1970's.

im with you on that one Cool

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 11:20

lazland wrote:

irrelevant wrote:

No, and I certainly don't see them in the same league (prog wise) as Supertramp or 10cc.

10cc are proper prog BTW *hint hint* (again) LOL

10CC are, indeed, far stronger candidates for inclusion. They were part of the same art rock bunch such as Bowie & Roxy Music in the 1970's.

10cc are here under prog-related. In my opinion they should be in crossover. I could go on and explain my reasons why, but I'd rather not change the thread subject too much to the point of possible derailment.

Edited by irrelevant - October 21 2011 at 11:23

New album!
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 11:29

this is one song i find is proggy by Dire Straits standards even sounds like KC and i think Tony Levin plays Chapman stick on it

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 17:28

I'm guilty of occasionally bringing up the subject. There's a live version of Brothers In Arms (the song) that is pure prog-related if for no other reason than the brilliance of the guitar solo. There are live versions of the Local Hero final theme that are practically pure prog. There are versions of Speedway at Nazareth that are prog-folk. But as others have pointed out a few songs do not suffice to include the band. I have finished beating my head against that particular wall, and listen to both Dire Straits and Knopfler with the smug knowledge that others know not what they are missing.

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 20:01

jammun wrote:

I'm guilty of occasionally bringing up the subject. There's a live version of Brothers In Arms (the song) that is pure prog-related if for no other reason than the brilliance of the guitar solo. There are live versions of the Local Hero final theme that are practically pure prog. There are versions of Speedway at Nazareth that are prog-folk. But as others have pointed out a few songs do not suffice to include the band. I have finished beating my head against that particular wall, and listen to both Dire Straits and Knopfler with the smug knowledge that others know not what they are missing.

We are not missing this music, we are listening them knowing they are not Prog.

Personally, I'm a fan of DS, I don't care if they are Prog or not, believing that people won't listen them because they are not a Prog band is wrong, Prog is not an award or quality certificate, only a genre as any other.

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Posted: October 21 2011 at 20:10

Let's remember that musicians play together whether 'prog' or 'pop' or whatever, the fact that Levin or anybody else may appear in a band or on an album does not make it Progrelated, otherwise everything that included anyone from John Wetton to Stewart & Gaskin to Chris Squire's daughter would be eligible.