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DallasBryan
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Topic: KRAAN vs Canterbury Posted: April 25 2005 at 08:38 |
I have been comparing the best of Kraans output
with the best output from Canterbury and have come
to this ranking order.
1. Kraan - Wiederhoren
2. Khan - Space Shanty
3. Kraan - Andy Nogger
4. Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
5. Kraan - Flyday
6. Soft Machine - Third
7. Kraan - Let it Out
8. Caravan - In the Land of Pink and Grey
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 08:42 |
All personal tastes Dallas!
Those 4 Canterbury masterpieces equalled by some obscure German band that had its moments but hardly worth writing home about. You must have something against the Kent region!!
Heard of Out Of Focus?
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DallasBryan
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 08:49 |
yes all three are good but different, Wake up, debut
and 4 letter monday......
I like em!
ever listen to Andy Nogger or Wiederhoren?
the English have advertised this little group of
musicians and made genre and another genre out
of the non sense known as Canterbury. How about
an american genre called San Francisco that went
on to form PIO! all the bands that played psychedelic
rock!
If you listen to progressive fusion outside these
overrated english beatniks youll find they didnt
exactly set the world on fire, maybe their backyard!
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 09:10 |
you think I should move it up or replace it with Henry
Cow, Gong or Daevid Allen?
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 09:14 |
Sean Trane wrote:
All personal tastes Dallas!
Those 4 Canterbury masterpieces equalled by some obscure German band that had its moments but hardly worth writing home about. You must have something against the Kent region!!
Heard of Out Of Focus? |
Yes, our friend Dallasbryan already told that caravan classics make nice freesbies and at the same time,he considered Alan Parsons project first albums as essentials...
Hum...without comment!
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 09:19 |
DallasBryan wrote:
you think I should move it up or replace it with Henry
Cow, Gong or Daevid Allen?  |
Gong, allen and henry cow easily beat your kraan!
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 09:22 |
DallasBryan wrote:
yes all three are good but different, Wake up, debut
and 4 letter monday......
I like em!
ever listen to Andy Nogger or Wiederhoren?
the English have advertised this little group of
musicians and made genre and another genre out
of the non sense known as Canterbury. How about
an american genre called San Francisco that went
on to form PIO! all the bands that played psychedelic
rock!
If you listen to progressive fusion outside these
overrated english beatniks youll find they didnt
exactly set the world on fire, maybe their backyard! |
Yes, USpsyche is a great genre,which i'm found off by the way, but there's no compete with Canterbury school as it's simply not the same thing, not the same time, space, context...
Bryan...
Life is short
Don't waste your precious time doing silly record lists!
Go outside! smell the flowers in blossom!
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Petra
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 09:59 |
Oh ive just looked up Kraan in the archives and i like the sound of them. Im going to check some tunes out.
Oliver - I dont think DB should smell the flowers he should to smoke them 
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 10:30 |
Yes, he should smoke more weed!
he would spend more time to listen to music and less time on writing lists!
but anyway, we love you like that, Bryan!
Love from planet Gong!
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:34 |
Petra wrote:
Oh ive just looked up Kraan in the archives and i like the sound of them. Im going to check some tunes out.
Oliver - I dont think DB should smell the flowers he should to smoke them 
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Petra start with Live (Kraan's 5th album - EMI Germany have remastered it in lasted 4 years) - which DB has omitted, but IMHO I feel is superior to the Kraan studio albums listed. Long work outs of tunes from earlier albums and their 6th (Helmut Hattler's bass is resounding throughout) - I recently added to my Kraan collection and now have the first 7 albums.
In passing DB has listed an excellent collection of Kraan and Canterbury albums, all worth seeking out and listening to.
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:45 |
Just picked up Kraan's Flyday on vinyl last week for 2 Euros (a mint copy...)
I haven't yet had the time to really listen to it. I've put in on my
turntable a couple of times already but some distraction always seems
to come my way when I start digging through my vinyl pile...
I tend to rip my vinyls to mp3s, though... I couldn't bear it if I ruined the condition of a record I bought mint
Cheers
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:59 |
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DallasBryan
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:00 |
Dick Heath wrote:
[QUOTE=Petra]
Petra start with Live (Kraan's 5th album - EMI
Germany have remastered it in lasted 4 years)
- which DB has omitted, but IMHO I feel is superior to
the Kraan studio albums listed. Long work outs of
tunes from earlier albums and their 6th (Helmut
Hattler's bass is resounding throughout) - I recently
added to my Kraan collection and now have the first
7 albums.
In passing DB has listed an excellent collection of
Kraan and Canterbury albums, all worth seeking out
and listening to. |
Your right Dick the live is great, im just a studio
album guy. Kraan are good enough musicians to
make their live performances superior. I concer!
I must say that their 4 best studio albums are equal
and diverse as the 4 best Canterbury albums from
all the combind artists. IMO!
But I am retired as a musician! Qualtiy vs Quantity.
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:02 |
And where was Kraan Live (the 1975 one, obviously) - the finest hour and a bit of an excellent band.
Aside from the jazz influence,which manifested itself in vastly different ways, I don't see many grounds for comparing Kraan with any of the Canterbury acts, although Pierre Moerlen's Gong have something in common I suppose. Kraan are more of a jamming band, whereas the Canterbury pilgrims veered between carefully scored pieces and free inprov. A better point of comparison may be the Fripp/Collins/Burrell/Wallace edition of King Crimson - check out Live in Berkley '71 to hear how awesome they could be.
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:50 |
oliverstoned placed this little picky of what looks like a ''PLATINE VERDIER''(Great spelling i know)
Another deck he dreams about


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Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:53 |
DallasBryan wrote:
you think I should move it up or replace it with Henry Cow, Gong or Daevid Allen?  |
No but i think Daevid allen's 'Bannana moon is excellent...


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DallasBryan
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:57 |
I actually really like Good Morning, but I cant find a
copy these dayz!
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 18:44 |
DallasBryan wrote:
I actually really like Good Morning, but I cant find a copy these dayz! |
Good morning is fantastic but ''This is the happiest time of our lives'' is his best for me.But 'Bannana moon' has a feast of artists playing..Rob Wyatt etc.
Excellent.

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DallasBryan
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 21:41 |
Kraan or Cacklebury
that is the question, for me Kraan smokes the kids,
England is best to stick with their output from the
kings of progressive: Moodies, Pink Floyd, Yes,
Genesis, ELP, Jethro Tull and Brian Eno.
The french smoked your knickers in progressive
fusion, face it you are not superior you are a
contributor!
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