KRAAN vs Canterbury
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Topic: KRAAN vs Canterbury
Posted By: DallasBryan
Subject: KRAAN vs Canterbury
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 08:38
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I have been comparing the best of Kraans output
with the best output from Canterbury and have come to this ranking order. 1. Kraan - Wiederhoren 2. Khan - Space Shanty 3. Kraan - Andy Nogger 4. Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom 5. Kraan - Flyday 6. Soft Machine - Third 7. Kraan - Let it Out 8. Caravan - In the Land of Pink and Grey   
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 08:42
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All personal tastes Dallas! Those 4 Canterbury masterpieces equalled by some obscure German band that had its moments but hardly worth writing home about. You must have something against the Kent region!! Heard of Out Of Focus? ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 08:49
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yes all three are good but different, Wake up, debut
and 4 letter monday...... I like em! ever listen to Andy Nogger or Wiederhoren? the English have advertised this little group of musicians and made genre and another genre out of the non sense known as Canterbury. How about an american genre called San Francisco that went on to form PIO! all the bands that played psychedelic rock! If you listen to progressive fusion outside these overrated english beatniks youll find they didnt exactly set the world on fire, maybe their backyard! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 08:57
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Bryan i know it's all personal preference but i'm having a hard time here understanding why you placed Caravans 'Pink' album in 8th position!
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DallasBryan wrote:Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 09:10
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you think I should move it up or replace it with Henry
Cow, Gong or Daevid Allen? 
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 09:14
Yes, our friend Dallasbryan already told that caravan classics make nice freesbies and at the same time,he considered Alan Parsons project first albums as essentials... Hum...without comment! |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 09:19
Gong, allen and henry cow easily beat your kraan! |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 09:22
Yes, USpsyche is a great genre,which i'm found off by the way, but there's no compete with Canterbury school as it's simply not the same thing, not the same time, space, context... Bryan... Life is short Don't waste your precious time doing silly record lists! Go outside! smell the flowers in blossom! |
Posted By: Petra
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 09:59
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Oh ive just looked up Kraan in the archives and i like the sound of them. Im going to check some tunes out. Oliver - I dont think DB should smell the flowers he should to smoke them ------------- Don't hate me I'm not special like you |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 10:30
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Yes, he should smoke more weed!
he would spend more time to listen to music and less time on writing lists! but anyway, we love you like that, Bryan! Love from planet Gong! 
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:34
Petra start with Live (Kraan's 5th album - EMI Germany have remastered it in lasted 4 years) - which DB has omitted, but IMHO I feel is superior to the Kraan studio albums listed. Long work outs of tunes from earlier albums and their 6th (Helmut Hattler's bass is resounding throughout) - I recently added to my Kraan collection and now have the first 7 albums. In passing DB has listed an excellent collection of Kraan and Canterbury albums, all worth seeking out and listening to. |
Posted By: Beau Heem
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:45
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Just picked up Kraan's Flyday on vinyl last week for 2 Euros (a mint copy...) I haven't yet had the time to really listen to it. I've put in on my turntable a couple of times already but some distraction always seems to come my way when I start digging through my vinyl pile... I tend to rip my vinyls to mp3s, though... I couldn't bear it if I ruined the condition of a record I bought mint Cheers -Beau ------------- --No enemy but time-- |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:59
That's horrible to convert (more exactly, to ruin) the best format into the worst... 
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:00
Your right Dick the live is great, im just a studio album guy. Kraan are good enough musicians to make their live performances superior. I concer! I must say that their 4 best studio albums are equal and diverse as the 4 best Canterbury albums from all the combind artists. IMO! But I am retired as a musician! Qualtiy vs Quantity. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:02
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And where was Kraan Live (the 1975 one, obviously) - the finest hour and a bit of an excellent band. Aside from the jazz influence,which manifested itself in vastly different ways, I don't see many grounds for comparing Kraan with any of the Canterbury acts, although Pierre Moerlen's Gong have something in common I suppose. Kraan are more of a jamming band, whereas the Canterbury pilgrims veered between carefully scored pieces and free inprov. A better point of comparison may be the Fripp/Collins/Burrell/Wallace edition of King Crimson - check out Live in Berkley '71 to hear how awesome they could be. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:50
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oliverstoned placed this little picky of what looks like a ''PLATINE VERDIER''(Great spelling i know) Another deck he dreams about
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:53
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No but i think Daevid allen's 'Bannana moon is excellent...
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:57
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I actually really like Good Morning, but I cant find a
copy these dayz! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 18:44
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Good morning is fantastic but ''This is the happiest time of our lives'' is his best for me.But 'Bannana moon' has a feast of artists playing..Rob Wyatt etc. Excellent.
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 21:41
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Kraan or Cacklebury
that is the question, for me Kraan smokes the kids, England is best to stick with their output from the kings of progressive: Moodies, Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, ELP, Jethro Tull and Brian Eno. The french smoked your knickers in progressive fusion, face it you are not superior you are a contributor!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 21:47
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Tell you the truth bryan im not really for your common garden progalites such as ELP,YES,GENESIS for everyday listerning,don't get me wrong i love the bands...i'm more of an experimental & proto-prog man from the UK of course.
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Posted By: Petra
Date Posted: April 28 2005 at 07:14
Dick- what is their 5th studio album called? DB..Ive managed to listen to a recent live (bootleg 2002) recording of Kraan and am really impressed although the vocals were a little shaky i adore all the noodling and want to hear more  . Listened to Soft Machine-Third last night too and still prefer Canterbury  ------------- Don't hate me I'm not special like you |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: April 28 2005 at 11:38
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hmmmmm, wonder what a 2002 bootleg live
a traffic jam in downtown Manhattan? |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 28 2005 at 11:55
I prefer Good morning 
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Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: May 13 2005 at 19:49
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Kraan is still going (somewhat) strong.They put out a new album in 2003.It is excellent. I have been a huge fan of them since 78 and have seen them a few times, last at progday in 2002 i think it was ,and they were very well received.So well ,that they were invited to Nearfest the following year. OK,so they can sound a bit quirky and them singing in english is not the best. But as instrumentalists ,they are up there fershure. They have a great website http://www.kraan.dk - www.kraan.dk where there is a ton of history and inf. check'em out |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: May 13 2005 at 19:53
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I dont think their english is bad, they are 90-95% on,
waayyy better than most! I dont think their is a classic italian prog band that matches them in english. No contest! At least they are coherant spacey lyrics, as opposed to garbage pail everywhere everything. I would say lyrically they are years ahead of say Rush! I chose Kraan for this thread to point out that if you take 4 Kraan albums vs 4 of the best Canterbury albums from any band you will find as much diversity in the Kraan albums as their is in the 4 Canterbury albums.
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Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: May 13 2005 at 21:43
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By the way.In case you did not know.(and if you care) In the 90es Kraan was off,and Helmutt Hattler had a new duo with the last albums (Kraans)Keyboard/trumpet player Joo Kraus.They put out about 6-7 discs,which are unique.Jazzy/triphop/rappy/loungy/newagey stuff.Very very good.Not as good as Kraan though. |
Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: May 13 2005 at 21:46
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True. They have smarts enough to call one song 'Slomocean'. Kinda like that |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: May 13 2005 at 21:52
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no offense intended you guys only trying to find to
brillance! gr8dane, thanks for the insight, I wanna go there and will! Do you have band name and best album title? your the one! 
I want it, I want it, I want it! 
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Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: May 13 2005 at 21:58
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No offence taken fellow Kraanhead. 2 good Tab Two 's are 'Belle Affair' and 'Between us'. But really,they are all good in their own innocent way. |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: May 13 2005 at 22:21
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they were called TAB TWO? Brilliant!
Belle Affair and Between Us are two good starting points? great album names really strikes my curiosity, wont expect better than Kraan but want to hear where their brains/talent took them. Many think me to be a pain, but I fish for information like yours. Szyergy?(very knowledgable), philippe(euro-conniesuer?), danbo(up and coming), Karnevil9, greenback(symphonic), James Lee,, even Dick Heath are good brains to pick. dont disguard there advices !
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Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: May 14 2005 at 06:23
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2 Euros,you must be loaded Make sure you play 'Ausflug' a couple of times in a row. It is brilliant.It is one of those songs you don't really notice.It's like 2 songs in one.(?) Cheers gr8 |
Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: May 14 2005 at 06:27
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Good to know. By the way,Helmutt has several solo albums out too. Check out http://www.bassball.de - www.bassball.de
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