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richardh 
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 Posted: December 08 2024 at 19:31 |
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^ personally I think a lot of classic 70's prog is overrated. Too many bands just trotted the same thing out because they were seemingly too big to fail ... until they did! I do think this kind of topic is valid for that reason. My favourite band ELP get a lot of flack (probably deservedly) but I don't see why other bands and artists from this era should be immune from criticism. More recent prog is a difficult subject as it takes longer to settle so I could say Opeth's latest is overrated (it most likely is) but we will see a general balancing out over time I suspect as usually happens.
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moshkito
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Posted: December 08 2024 at 19:55 |
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Hi, Last I looked I had 9 solo albums by SH. I don't dislike the guy, and didn't say I did ... he's very good ... however ... it's more of an issue of so many things out there, than it is my not wanting to hear SH again ... I simply can't afford all the things I want in my collection, and some more SH would be some of it ... specially the classical minded stuff. (I still feel "guilty" listening to something new on the toog, or elsewhere and not getting the album/CD without having heard it ... and many folks I went for their name ... witness Van der Graaf and Peter Hammill ... ... and I have the CD's!) I have no issues with the "modern prog" as you suggest ... except when it is on the top ten listed and is a cookie cutting factory! SH, at least, is nowhere near that idea, so you know all is good. But, again, my being able to get all the stuff I want ... could make me more selective, which has been an issue with me for 50 years ... let's see ... new Klaus Schulze, or new Tangerine Dream ... hmmmmm .... ohhh ... new Amon Duul 2 ... and this may sound like I don't care for "modern" stuff, which is not true at all ... for at least 20 years, in the 70's and 80's I was up on many things ... and while I enjoyed SH, there were many things in EUROPE that were a must in my collection ... and I have stuck by them ever since, as you well know ... and saying something about SH, that some of you may not like, is not meant the way you feel about it ... c'mon, I would consider myself one of the original "progressive'rs" long before this site came around ... but sadly, the appreciation of the history and knowledge of more things, is not appreciated ... it tickles the fan'ship of ... "prog rockers". AND WE PLAYED THE MATERIAL IMMEDIATELY ... not waited for folks to say it was a good album! Guy played TLLDOB in its entirety when he went on the air at midnight, and then did it again at 3AM because of the requests ... and SH was played immediately upon arrival. Appreciation for any work is not an issue for me ... well except punk maybe, because I have to have something to make fun with/of. As I wrote earlier, I don't think of any album, really, as overrated or underrated. The only things that over/under for me, is the commentary from a lot of folks ... which I find sad given the history of it all, and what brought this site alive for .... for me a sort of "favorite" means that there is not enough appreciation for "music" per se, in its many ways from all over the world ... and to me that's sad ... the greatest of human expressions is "selective" and the rest is not good enough, or is consider trash ... oh well, we do the same thing with God ... so nothing is new!
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cstack3
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Posted: December 10 2024 at 22:13 |
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....this entire thread is overrated!
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: December 10 2024 at 22:37 |
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moshkito
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Posted: December 11 2024 at 01:44 |
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Hi, Unlike many folks here, I do not look at one song, or band, as "today", or "yesterday" ... I look at it all as MUSIC ... and it can go back to Vivaldi, or Bach and has nothing to do with today or yesterday. To me, an artist is an artist, not a commodity ... and its age is not an issue ... thus something new is not always the best thing in the sliced bread stakes or ideas. As I have mentioned before, and I do have a handful of favorites, I tend to not work on "lists" or "preferences" much, because, for me it dehumanizes the music into a product, and this is one part of the human spirit that is NOT a PRODUCT in my book ... it is a life and a living ... that's more important than my own thoughts of "new artist" ... besides which ... you likely won't agree with it, anyway! What's the point, then? The only thing that is "overrated" and "underrated" is the bunch of comments by many on this thread ... sometimes, it is really sad, as it is not about the music itself, in my way of seeing all these comments. |
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Cristi
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Posted: December 11 2024 at 01:52 |
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Exaggerating much?! Again... We are all wrong and you are always right. rather arrogant, don't you think?! This is a discussion forum, people discuss songs, albums, artists and bands, genres and subgenres and so on, nobody is dehumanizing artists & music... wtf?!
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moshkito
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Posted: December 11 2024 at 02:05 |
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Hi, And SAD ... that you immediately think that I do not fit in the "discussion", and you want to keep it to like minded folks with the same thoughts. So a discussion you want ... on your terms, and different thoughts don't fit. Exaggerating ... wow ... what an idea ... !!! And it does, in a way, dehumanize the artists ... if you were one of them, you would not want to be thought of, or considered, either of those designations, and you did not create the music for that reason, or anyone's thoughts or ideas ... it's just a strange idea that fans have more rights than the creator of the art did, and their fun idea is more important than the music ... let's go ahead and talk about dehumanization of it ... but since you are not the artist, you don't care and think your own feelings are more important!
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Posted: December 11 2024 at 02:11 |
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I did not say you do not fit in the discussion, how did you get that from what i said, i don't know. But to say that we, users dehumanize music and artists in our discussion is an exaggeration. There has always been a diversity of opinions here on PA, people don't agree on everything and this is great. How have i implied that I want people to think alike?!
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: December 11 2024 at 02:20 |
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^^Just as I thought. You pretend to care about "modern stuff" but you don't. You're always on repeat.
I go back hundreds of years myself and discover something new. All the time. Everyone does. Not just you. I have a bigger collection of Baroque music than I have "Prog Rock". Who cares. You made a list of Bach and Vivaldi. That was obviously ok, so what's the difference? |
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moshkito
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Posted: December 11 2024 at 02:35 |
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Hi, How logical all this is ... but you can think what you want since it is the rule, and the law ... and outsiders be damned! Look who is saying "repeat" faster than I ever did!
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kirk782
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Posted: December 11 2024 at 03:16 |
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ELP had some good albums, especially their debut or Tarkus. Something like Love Beach may not have aged well, but many band's of that era have had some disappointing runs.
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Posted: December 11 2024 at 03:19 |
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You are explaining what ELP is to an ELP connoisseur.
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kirk782
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Posted: December 11 2024 at 03:20 |
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I liked both of those albums when I listened but didn't found them to be that great. But then, every person can have their tastes. I prefer the hardening edge in sound that bands like Atomic Rooster or VdGG bought more sometimes.
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Posted: December 11 2024 at 03:31 |
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I will list two albums from the krautrock sub - genre. Hosianna Mantra - Popol Vuh Despite being rated quite high, I found it almost boring on first listen. Not that it's bad,but it's more suited for meditative listening,IMO. I was expecting more from it. Tago Mago - Can This is often considered Can's masterpiece but I personally felt that the vocals degraded the inherent nature of the songs. The lyrics aren't anything great and the singer is nonplussed about it. I liked the sound of their debut album 'Monster Movie' more. If I had to name one album from the top 10 of the studio albums listed on the site, I would choose Tull's Thick as a Brick. After listening to the masterpiece Aqualung, I was expecting an album as good but I was disappointed. Yes, the album is ambitious in scope and I can understand why it has it's fans but it wasn't for me. Maybe I would need multiple listens to appreciate it furthur. There are other bands like Opeth or Dream Theater listed as well whose works I haven't listened to and I know I won't like because metal as a genre doesn't gel well with me.So, if I list their albums, it would be cheating.
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kirk782
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Posted: December 11 2024 at 03:37 |
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Same here. I first liked VdGG first two albums more; H to He and Least we can do is Wave [Aerosol grey machine doesn't count as a VdGG album]. The scope of Pawn Hearts is so much bigger but the album rocks as hard as it can. It also has some of Hamill's finest lyrics both introspective and sometimes dark. I personally think the band peaked with this album. Still Life and World Record , I couldn't come to love.
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Posted: December 11 2024 at 22:10 |
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I don't believe in overrated songs or bands, every band or song has The crédit they deserve and everbody is entitled to their taste.
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b_olariu
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Posted: December 12 2024 at 06:47 |
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I guess half of the reviewers from here did't understand the question, how the hell the mega influencial albums from golden prog era are overrated, that is crap from the start.
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: December 12 2024 at 06:49 |
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Pawn Hearts was definitely a grower for me, as was Van Der Graff as a band. I'm still growing into their music. One album I've never been able to get into is Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. Don't get me wrong, it contains songs I love but as a whole album, I'm not into it. |
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Posted: December 12 2024 at 07:55 |
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I can here to give a bold an honest opinion only to find everyone already talking kind of about the same thing... here it goes anyways:
The top 3 ELP albums are vastly superior to the top 3 VdGG albums, which (IMHO) make the latter highly overrated. I'm not saying they are not amazing albums anyways.
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