Praised prog albums that you think are overrated
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Topic: Praised prog albums that you think are overrated
Posted By: ThyroidGlands
Subject: Praised prog albums that you think are overrated
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 17:48
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Well, that's everything. The idea for this post came to me from this thread: https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=132123 I'll start with Moonmadness and Mirage, albums currently ranked at #15 and #16. ------------- Bloody bloody racket and rumpus |
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 17:54
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In the Court.... The first and last songs are good. All else is filler and the weird passage in Moonchild is icky. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 17:57
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^ my favourite track on In the Court of the Crimson King is "Epitaph". And I really like "I Talk to the Wind". Different strokes for different folks obviously. I know we had a very similar older thread to this (many in fact). Some do complain at overrated being used, some might say, not another negative topic. And some say that it is all rated just right. I guess I could say that most, if not all, popular to some extent art that is praised is overrated. I would also argue that if it's popular it's expected that it would be underrated by some too. Based on my subjective biases, I do consider Yes' Close to the Edge to be a very popular album that is overrated. I could mention many others that are popular here. And fans overrate by the nature of being fans. There have been people here who who think that I have overrated albums by my favourite bands, and overrated my favourite bands just because that music/style is not to their tastes. Calling something overrated does usually just boil down to "I don't like it as much as others", which is pretty shallow. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Zappastolethetowels
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 18:23
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Everything Rush & Dream Theater ever released (where is the hiding under the chair emoji when u need it?)
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Posted By: Zappastolethetowels
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 18:25
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Court is def overrated Camel as a band, not so much CTTE is definitely not
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Posted By: ThyroidGlands
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 18:26
Obviously, whether something is overrated or not is up to each individual. Ah, and I also think the same about "Close to the Edge". But not about "In The Court...". I think it's an almost perfect album... Although the improvised section of "Moonchild" is clearly the weak point. ------------- Bloody bloody racket and rumpus |
Logan wrote:Posted By: ThyroidGlands
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 18:33
I think I agree with Rush. I'm not a big fan of their music, although I love Geddy, Alex and Neil. And well... DT has been quite plastic since Systematic Chaos. ------------- Bloody bloody racket and rumpus |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 19:15
Well then...  ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 20:50
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From The Top Twenty: Selling England By The PoundMoonmadness In The Court Of The Crimson King Fragile Thick As A Brick |
Posted By: GuruCan
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 21:00
| Jagga Jazzist's 'One-Armed Bandit,' Wobbler's 'From Silence to Somewhere,' Airbag's 'A Day at the Beach,' to name a few. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 23:41
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Selling England By The Pound. I find it quite boring honestly. Thick as a Brick is an excellent album but the JT materpiece for me is Aqualung. TAAB is a great 30 minute suite if you cut out about 10 minutes of fillers used to fill the LP ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 01:03
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Looking at PA's top albums, I find all of these fifteen albums from "top 40" overrated. Because I don't like 'em as much as others: Selling England by the Pound (love 2/3ds of it) The Dark Side of the Moon (love 2/3ds of it) Animals Moving Pictures Hemispheres Kind of Blue (it's great, but come on!) Si on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison Hybris From Silence to Somewhere Crime of the Century Metropolis Part 2 - Scenes from a Memory The Raven That Refused to Sing Scheherazade and Other Stories (never warmed up to Song of Scheherazade) Birds of Fire Images and Words Neither Close to the Edge nor Thick as a Brick (+ countless other praised albums not included on my list) are personal favorites of mine, but acknowledge their greatness, and don't consider them to be overrated. In the Court of the Crimson King is perfection to me. Thinking of Epitaph as "filler" is... I don't know what. I think its a timeless masterpiece. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 01:32
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Never see the point of these threads tbh... beyond an opportunity for members to bash all the albums I have in my collection... hey ho...  ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 02:10
Sad to see a lot of albums here considered overrated. I get it, it's very subjective, but how are some groundbreaking influential albums mentioned here overrated, it's beyond me. 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 02:44
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The word "overrated" is nonsense. Releases are rated as they are. Saying that they are "overrated" suggests that your opinion of how they should be rated trumps that of those who submitted the ratings. What is certainly true is that your own "top 50 prog releases" list will not match the one based on overall ratings. As an example, I don't really like 70s Genesis. It seems so whiny and pretentious/pompous/overblown to me that I only rarely listen to it. At the same time I can see why people rate these releases highly. But I would not call them "overrated".
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 05:44
^in my defense I did write:
Anyway, as I've said before if you don't like a topic or a discussion, why not just stay away from it? Some people enjoy telling the world that they find Selling England By the Pound overrated (because The Battle of Epping Forest is awful and More Fool Me kinda lame), others don't. Is it really any better to write that 70's Genesis is "whiny and pretentious/pompous/overblown" to you? Overrated means "person or thing is considered to be better or more important than they really are". That's not nonsense to me. I understand it's meaning and I'm gonna use it as part of my subjective opinion - that I consider to be correct. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 06:02
There are several "overrated" albums I could mention, but Moonmadness and Mirage are not amongst them.
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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 06:29
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I don't think any of the classic top 100 prog albums are overrated.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 06:35
BTW, three members have already commented that the Court is overrated. And another album I don't care for but gets heaps of praise is Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 06:41
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 07:04
I think there is a subtle difference between saying a) that you do not like something as much as others and saying b) that you think that others should like it less, and I'm trying to avoid the latter. But of course I'm aware that any negative comment about these iconic releases might sound like option b to the casual reader.
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Posted By: Deadwing
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 08:36
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Honestly it makes more sense of talking about albums from band I love, or else I'll just shout "entire Yes discography" or other bands that don't do much for me. Given that, some albums I find overrated: Porcupine Tree - Fear of a Blank Planet: I just like much more both previous and after albums lol I'm not really a fan of the lyrics/theme and all the songs share a similar mood. Steven Wilson - Tha Raven: Not big fan of this one as well, HCE and Grace for Drowning are much more interesting to me. Pink Floyd - The Wall - Too much opera to me, I like more spacey and structured songs from Pink Floyd. Rush - 2112 - The big song doesn't do much for me either and it is weirdly structured lol Genesis - Foxtrot - Album is great, but Selling england.., The Lamb... and Trespass are much better to me. Supper's Ready have great passages but tbh I don't enjoy the entirety of it. Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear: Don't enjoy much the production in this one, Childhood's and Clutching at Straws are better, imo.
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Posted By: ThyroidGlands
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 09:07
I understand the importance of «Script...», but it's not an album that drives me crazy at all. That said, Marillion is still one of my favorite bands. ------------- Bloody bloody racket and rumpus |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 09:13
| Marillion are definitely a band that I find interesting for their entire output but individual albums less so. I'm not a massive fan of FOABP either. Everyone says it's great so it must be but personally I enjoy In Absentia a lot more. Pink Floyd are all about the 3 masterpieces in a row imo. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 09:17
I agree.  I don't remember when i last gave FOABP a listen. I don't even know why. I'll give it a chance soon, to see what I'd think these days.
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 09:36
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Some of the popular and highly praised albums I can't stand: • Terry Riley - A Rainbow in Curved Air • Tangerine Dream - Rubycon • Klaus Schulze - Mirage • Jethro Tull - Aqualung • Area - Arbeit Macht Frei ------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong |
Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 09:40
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CTTE. I’m only 54. Would I love it if I’d “been there”? I don’t think so. I just don’t like it, and in particular I’m not a fan of Steve Howe’s guitar sound….. But how anyone can think that Images & Words is overrated is beyond me!!!😩🤯☺️ ------------- Heaven is waiting but waiting is Hell |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 09:58
If I think something is overrated (at least overrated by one or some) it means that I think that give too much worth to it, it's held in too high esteem. That does mean to me that they like it too much. There is music I consider to be very proficient, and I might consider great, that doesn't appeal to me. I would not say that someone like it less, but maybe reassess their claims about the music. As an extreme example, a parent may prefer their 3 year beginner's rendition of "Für Elise" to that of a professional concert pianist, but from a technical standpoint that concert pianist's performance probably is objectively better. I won;t tell the parent that they should like the concert pianist's performance more, but if they believe that their 3 years old's performance is objectively better, well that's likely pretty problematic. What used to annoy me (no doubt I am somewhere on the spectrum but so are a huge many) was when people would make subjective statements as if they were objective fact. And then when one would question, they would double-down on it. Sometimes I do get a sense myself of something not being all that it's cracked up to be bay many (i.e overrated) without clear evidence or a clear argument. We all have our biases, but some come across as less aware of them or ready to acknowledge them. Still, I would not tell others that they should enjoy it less. Maybe they should appreciate it less in some ways however, especially if they have misconceptions, such as, if someone claimed/ believed such a thing (just an example) that Marillion saved progressive music in the 80s or that Ayreon is the most inventive and experimental composer ever and Transitus is objectively the greatest album of recent years in every conceivable way and that should be obvious to everyone else in the world. Greatest for you, fine, but excuse my ignorance and arrogance if I think you are overrating the album and its significance. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 12:53
| Most of the prog-metal albums. Except for very few ones, it doesn’t do it for me. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 13:04
I really like Transitus, but I am aware of its flaws. There are some great moments there, but also a lot of "cringe". I even like The Astonishing, which is even cringier  I find it annoying when someone says "release X is garbage", when X is a popular and highly rated release. I'm not getting angry anymore, because such statements are ultimately self-defeating. Having said that, I do think that the majority is not always correct - not in music, not in politics, not in science. I'm always welcome to entertain contrarian viewpoints, but then they need to make a good argument. WHY do you think the majority is wrong? Most of the time, at least in music, it turns out to be a matter of taste and personal preference.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 13:33
I tend to get annoyed when people call such things garbage period. Not as much as I used as I have become more "Whatever" over the years. I'm confident there have been many instances in the past and continue to be where the majority is not correct and the beliefs are not very well founded in reality. I could talk about religion/ superstition, but won't. When it comes to the arts, like music, my interest often tends to be more micro than macro. I'm often more interested in what an individual thinks or a specific group, and try to understand their claims and arguments than the majority overall. Sometimes many people get it wrong in that their beliefs and claims do not comport with reality (or at least what one might more logically infer is reality). I would have no issue with the majority thinking that Yes' Close to the Edge is a marvellous album, and would hope they in turn would be willing to accept that it is not marvellous for me. I much prefer other stuff. I do notice that some take it really personally when others are not praising or don't mention what they like and will act in a hostile or defensive manner. Some have so-called fanboy mentalities, but I ramble. It does commonly come down to personal preference in music, but I still wish more people would try to frame their views to make it explicit when being subjective and come off as less judgmental and invalidating of others who have different preferences. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 14:06
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I don't know why but I like this topic a lot. Ok, so this doesn't mean I don't like these albums just that I think they might be a tad overrated. Here's a few: Pink Floyd - Dark side of the moon " " - Animals VDGG- Pawn Hearts A Plague of Lighthouse keepers probably should have been ten minutes and not 20 Yes - 90125 I loved it at the time but it doesn't hold a candle to most of their 70s albums. There might even be a few after it that are better but that of course is subjective. Genesis - Selling England by the Pound - I loved it for a long time and I still think it's one of their best but it's no longer my favorite Genesis album. The synth sound is a bit dated for one thing (even for the time period). If Tony had gotten a handle on synths 2-3 years earlier like practically everyone else he would have been able to add different synth sounds to this instead of sounding like a kid getting a new toy for the first time. Aside from that more fool me doesn't belong and the battle of Epping forest is a bit of a mess. I have no problem with I know what I like though. ATOTT has been my favorite Genesis album for the past 15 years or so. Rush - Moving Pictures " - 2112 Camel - Moonmadness Everyone seems to gush over this album but I think the two before it are quite a bit better. A song within a song and lunar sea are great though. Still a good album but not their best like so many seem to think (not to me anyway). Porcupine Tree - In Absentia When they added the metal they lost something but I'm not sure what. I like it and it's pretty consistent but it doesn't seem to have the high points that the ones before it did. Still I like it better than anything they did after it. My favorite by them is probably Lightbulb Sun. Echolyn - Mei Lots of people love this album and it has grown on me but it's still not one of their 2 or 3 best imo. Thick as a brick is still the best album length track ever made imo with remember the future being maybe number two. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 14:18
 your PA membership has been rescinded for 12 months...------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 14:24
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I think the word "overrated" means that the album has been rated too much. So you're basically saying that too many people have rated an album. Illogical. Albums that are influential always get the most attention. It does seem true that many will rate an album highly simply because so many others have done so and want to be a part of the "club" rather than subjectively comprehend WHY they dislike an album. -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 14:28
If I say 15 minutes can you make it 6 months instead of 12. Who is my prog parole officer going to be?
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 14:30
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 18:33
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Having glanced at the list, my candidate would be the King Crimson LP "Red." Sure, it has some real metallic moments, but I always thought "Providence" and "Fallen Angel" were a bit weak. I'm not sure why so many heap praise on "Red," when I consider "Larks Tongues in Aspic" and "Starless and Bible Black" more powerful and interesting. That being said, the title song "Red" is a gas to play on guitar or bass (I often warm up with it). This is a video of my late friend John Goodsall doing a cover version of "Red." RIP Johnny! ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 18:47
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Tool-Lateralus All Mars Volta albums Pink Floyd - The Wall Nick Drake -5 leaves left ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/sleepers-2024 |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 19:07
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ELP-Brain Salad Surgery-it has some moments, but it doesn't hang together as a great album Camel-their sound does nothing for me at all Genesis-Foxtrot-it doesn't hold my interest the way the excellent Trespass does Yes-Close To The Edge-for me, it seems less focused and a bit disjointed in parts and I find it innaccessible -I much prefer Fragile and The Yes Album
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 19:27
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 19:47
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^ I believe that the technical term for the rates-way-too-much syndrome is hyperübermuchoratealotism in short. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 20:05
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^ that works. The irony is that English is stupid sometimes. To overdo
something is too do something too much. To overexercise is to exercise
to much THEN a improper definition like overrate DOESN'T mean to rate
too much but to rate too highly. Seems we need another prefix. German
and Russian do a somewhat better job at this sorta thing ;) ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: fredyair
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 21:20
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Anything by King Crimson after In the Court. Better frase it will be anything by Robert Fripp after In the Court. I don't find his music compelling at all. ------------- Long live Progresive music! |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 21:35
I never thought I would see the day when I genuinely thought the snow goose could legitimately be considered an underrated album but I certainly feel that way these days. Wow. Yes, some parts are mellow but that's Camel. Get over it.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 22:07
We are social animals so wanting to be part of a group is not that strange. Subjectively I really dislike Larks Tongues In Aspic. To me it's a mess and very very boring. I don't like the production or the ideas except for Easy Money and even that sounded better when John Wetton did solo versions on his many 90's and 00's tours. However it is unique and experimental in many ways that I just don't understand even if subjectively it still remains something I don't want to listen to. So I'll give it it's due and didn't list it. Camel on then other hand are much nicer to listen to but literally added nothing in terms of new ideas to progressive music except for maybe The Snow Goose. If they hadn't have done that then I would struggle to take them seriously at all!
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 22:42
Well, then, I guess you and I belong to different groups! I think LTIA is one of the best albums ever recorded in rock history. I was in a record store in Riverside, IL with my friend Wayne, where we saw Bob play Frippertronics on his "Drive to 1981" mini tour. We showed Bob a Super 8 college student film titled "Fripp" that we had made using LTIA Part 2 as the soundtrack, so I got to see his reaction to his own music. Bob rocked back and forth on the balls of his feet in time with the music, and was very intently involved with it (until the violent and bloody climax of the film, at which point he stopped rocking and stood in utter silence!). This was 18 June, 1979. That's what I enjoy about this site....the diversity and creative tension of members. Well said, Richard!
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 02:05
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 02:30
German has the same problem, the corresponding word "überbewertet" does not indicate whether it's about quantity or level. I guess in most languages it's mostly about level and then also about quantity (an overrated item has too many high ratings).
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 03:27
I feel the same way too. My Top Seven Most "Uberbewertet" Artists on Prog Archives. (in alphabetical order)Robert Fripp Gentle Giant Peter Hammill King Crimson Van der Graaf Generator Robert Wyatt Frank Zappa
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Posted By: ThyroidGlands
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 04:17
Agreed. In my opinion, LTIA is one of the greatest albums in history.
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Posted By: ThyroidGlands
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 04:19
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For example, I feel that everything PT and Wilson did is highly overrated. Honestly, I tried many times to listen to their music, and it doesn’t appeal to me at all. ------------- Bloody bloody racket and rumpus |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 05:33
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Overrated is, of course, a subjective term - one likes what one likes and that's that. We may argue over the merits of the Mahavishnu Orchestra, but I'm still going to go home and enjoy another spin of Birds of Fire. That said, I think there are just too many Rush, Opeth, Dream Theater, and Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson albums in the Top 100......I dig most of those bands but I think the "fanboy" aspect has taken from the spirit of the poll. Rush's Hemispheres certainly deserves favor, as does Opeth's Heritage LP (I know, I know), the early PT catalog is a gas, but when the list leans too heavily on these bands, an opportunity for other equally worthy LPs that PA punters could potentially discover is lost. And, man, TAAB at #4 is blasphemy - cut both sides down to 12 minutes and it's still barely listenable. And where in the "h" is the Grateful Dead on this list? ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 06:08
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^ A good way to counter that phenomenon of too many releases by the same artists crowding out the others is to limit them. Which is not possible at PA, but has just been implemented at AP: https://awesomeprog.com/releases?pa=2&ps=prog&v=cover-matrix" rel="nofollow - https://awesomeprog.com/releases?pa=2&ps=prog&v=cover-matrix (as an example this is limited to two releases per artist)
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 06:52
| This may cause severe outrage, but I think all of Neo-Prog (minus Frost* and Sanguine Hum) is overrated. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 06:59
Overrated?! I don't see it. Sure, I can think of a few neo-prog albums I find overrated, but the genre as a whole, it's not. In fact is one of the least liked prog subgenres, on PA and i imagine elsewhere as well.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 07:07
Hence why i stated "somewhat better job." Of all the languages i've studied they all have stupid flaws like that. No reason we couldn't have another prefix to be hyperspecific. Oh well. For me i am not a huge Genesis fan. They lacked the virtuosity in their compositions that made Yes and KC so compelling. Just a matter of taste really but Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme really make me snooze. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: ObeisantBread84
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 17:16
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Out of the top 20, I would probably say the most overrated is Pawn Hearts. It's fine and all but definitely overrated. However, I have yet to hear Godbluff, Moonmadness, or Per Un Amico so it is possible one of those might be more overrated then pawn hearts. ------------- Sincerely, Bread |
Posted By: Starshiper
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 19:31
Furthermore, it's important to note that most people out there associate "prog" with the Neo-prog sound.
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Posted By: Starshiper
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 19:36
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 19:54
Not true. They're both. There are many albums from both SW and PT that are prog. Melodic prog with catchy pop hooks sure, but definitely prog. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 19:58
Pawn Hearts is a grower. It's what i call mature difficult listening music for seasoned proggers. It took me years before it clicked and now it's probably a top 10 of all time of any album. At least top 20 ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 20:12
it's called progressive alterative rock.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 20:15
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Posted By: Starshiper
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 20:32
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 20:36
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^ well virtually every site on the web considers them both prog. Prog is a huge spectrum from prog light to mind f**k prog Pink Floyd is on the borderline as well but still considered prog Epic sprawling tunes with rich atmospheric richness In the end i don't care what it's called. I still love me some PT :)------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Starshiper
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 20:45
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 20:51
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^ actually it does. If every site calls them prog and i would have to agree that they are as well, then the consensus is that they ARE prog. You seem to be the only one who doesn't agree. You're outvoted. Sorry. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Starshiper
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 21:15
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Posted By: GuruCan
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 21:54
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 22:14
Only Marillion and Arena have achieved any real commmercial success. Arena were well backed by their record company in the 90's. IQ could have been commercially sucessful if Peter Nicholls had hung around after The Wake. Their only charting album was that album (no 70 for one week in the UK charts , wow that really moved the needle!!) and they were signed up by a big label with Paul Menel at the helm. They were supposed to do what Marillion did but it never happened. In the 90's they formed GEP records and helped to foster newish prog bands like Threshold and Spocks Beard. It was never a massive thing though and Martin Orford left the band in the 00's to become a lorry driver as he was disillusioned by the lack of reward for the work. Marillion have remained the only consistently sucessful Neo Prog band but they are on a different level to any anyone else. I am an IQ fan. Generally all their albums are rated about right. They are consistent in quality. Some will say their last album Resistance is overrated. Personally the only one I think of that about is The Road Of Bones. It's often held up as their masterpiece nowadays but it doesn't do any anything different to earlier albums such as The Seventh House and Dark Matter. They are all about the same level. I would actually put Frequency slightly above for the drumming of Andy Edwards, now a popular you tuber who also played on Frost* Milliontown.
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