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Also on ECM: those supremely energetic albums by Dave Holland, the British-born bassist. He uses mainly American soloists. The interplay between sax and trombone is simply delightful. And I like any jazz album with lively vibraphone playing! But Holland has now left the label.

For those who really like Canterbury Scene (esp. National Health) and Zappa's GRAND WAZOO, I cannot recommend Django Bates's albums enough. They're like "honorary Canterbury". Same kind of tunes, same sort of humour. Some of you will remember Bates from the first incarnation of Bruford's Earthworks. But before you say that the SECOND incarnation (without Bates) was better, bear in mind (a) that Bates's keyboard solos are totally sui generis (b) that his solo albums are whackier than anything he ever recorded for Bruford!
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Points: 4202 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2010 at 15:00
Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

 
Again... I'm just been honest...


I always find it annoying when people mistake lack of knowledge with "honest opinion".
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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2010 at 18:36
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:


Most stuff (not all, o fcourse) I heard by say McLaughlin or Derek Bailey I wish they would just stop playing so I can hear the other musicians.
Aw, I like Derek Bailey.
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Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

No, not at all. Prog fans do not like jazz, and you should be ashamed of yourself if you do. Only those who like jazz rock like it, but they're not real prog fans anyway. Jazzers don't use mellotrons, and they suck at irregular time signatures. Also, their drumers use brushes.


 
I know this was a while back in the thread but...these are really sh*t generalisations. Sucking at irregular time signatures, really? Go listen to some Dave Brubeck, or John McLaughlin by Miles Davis.
 
Mellotrons are rare in jazz (I haven't heard any), but they exist.
 
Yes use brushes too. Jazz drummers frequently use sticks and are awesome drummers.
 
I actually prefer prog over jazz, ftr.
 
Also, for people who like their music dynamic, with crescendos and power, listen to Sanctuary(the Miles Davis version).
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You don't go on the internets much do you? Wink
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

You don't go on the internets much do you? Wink


He's clearly not familiar with Moris' sense of humourWinkSmile...
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Goddamn.
 
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Superb first post though >_>
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Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:



Which 1960s greats are you referring to? To any orthodox jazz fan, this may sound like heresy, but early Sixties coryfees like John Coltrane and Charlie Mingus don't really move me. Although I enjoy some "classical" jazz (e.g. Duke Ellington, Miles Davis' KIND OF BLUE, Eric Dolphy's OUT TO LUNCH)


Those are all good. If someone is new at jazz I also think its a good idea for most to get to know Bitches Brew/In a Silent Way and  A Love Supreme. Plus some more basic and not to difficult jazzmasterpieces like: Sidewinder, Maiden Voyage, Empyrean Isles, The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady... (I could easily name loads more, but I'll stop here) before digging into the european scene.  Although this might not have worked for you, it has proven to work for many. The sixties is the decade when jazz went everywhere.

I think ECM is easier to wait with until you know where what and who to look for, because in my opinion its difficult to know what titles go get.



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Originally posted by squirting squirting wrote:

Goddamn.
 
I had a feeling I was being trolled.

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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

If someone is new at jazz I also think its a good idea for most to get to know Bitches Brew/In a Silent Way and  A Love Supreme. Plus some more basic and not to difficult jazzmasterpieces like: Sidewinder, Maiden Voyage, Empyrean Isles, The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady... (I could easily name loads more, but I'll stop here) before digging into the european scene.  Although this might not have worked for you, it has proven to work for many. The sixties is the decade when jazz went everywhere. I think ECM is easier to wait with until you know where what and who to look for, because in my opinion its difficult to know what titles go get.


Yes, I bought Herbie Hancock's MAIDEN VOYAGE last year and I was really blown away by it. You can tell that, with Miles' KIND OF BLUE, it was a sort of blueprint for many ECM artists. I'm now very keen to get to know EMPYREAN ISLES (also by Hancock).

If anyone needs a way into the ECM catalogue, I recommend this very site's reviews of Terje Rypdal, Eberhard Weber, John Abercrombie and early Pat Metheny. Those are all artists that were with the label from the start. For more recent artists I recommend the PENGUIN GUIDE TO JAZZ, a work I consult all the time!
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Points: 4202 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2010 at 15:06
Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

  I'm now very keen to get to know EMPYREAN ISLES (also by Hancock).

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Its fantastic, and very easy to find at a reasonable  price.
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Happy 100th, Django!



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Points: 409 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2010 at 08:28
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jazz! jazz! jazz!

I'm quite dissapointed with some nowadays mainstream prog bands like DT or Transatlantic, they are just so repetitive and predictable, these guys should listen more jazz/fusion from the  70'! Smile

some nice young jazz bands playing energetic things:

http://www.myspace.com/cnquintet

http://www.myspace.com/shelestworld

http://www.myspace.com/robotobibok

http://www.myspace.com/pinkfreudmusic

and great documentary movie about Miles Davis live shows in the 70'-for all these guys which tend to say that jazz is boring and connect jazz with soft pop version like Diana Krall etc.absolutly astonishing performance!!!!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXB2NJzBzMk
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Aw, hell. I might as well plug a couple of my bands:

Tamandua: A blend of "progressive" rock, avant-garde jazz and fake ethnic music

http://www.myspace.com/tamanduaband

http://www.tamanduamusic.com

Ra Quintet: Classical/"prog" rock fusion with some jazz elements. Not particularly jazzy in exuction, more in the sound of the band. This is pretty much through-composed, rehearsal intensive stuff.

http://www.myspace.com/raquintet



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Originally posted by squirting squirting wrote:

Mellotrons are rare in jazz (I haven't heard any), but they exist.



Eberhard Weber's album YELLOW FIELDS opens with one of the most beautiful mellow-drenched pieces I know.
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Christian Vander and Bill Bruford owe a lot to jazz.
 
 
 
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Points: 2476 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2010 at 05:09
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Christian Vander and Bill Bruford owe a lot to jazz.
 

 

 


Yeah, at least one of them spent considerably more than a decade playing it!
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