(avant-)Prog in publicity. E.g. in Wikipedia ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Avant-garde&diff=207341677&oldid=207341621


I tried to edit it but I was so sh*t... could you help me?
Or do you think avant-prog shouldn't be mentioned in arcticle "Avant-garde" where for example Jimi Hendrix is mentioned ?

And in this thread you can talk something else about the "publicity" prog has, or, I mean, information.

Of course there's many ways to see prog, but I think more ways should be visible.


Edited by progressive - April 23 2008 at 03:16

Avant Garde is an artistic movement as-sich, the music genre Avant garde basically can't be prog, while it is prog by it's very nature. Once an avant garde artist becomes out-dated (therefor not being avant garde anymore), it morphs into progressive style we call avant-garde.

Toaster Mantis wrote: Well, the article doesn't actually call Hendrix prog, it just identifies him with the "Musique concrète" movement... I have no idea if that's correct or stretching it as much as I did when I used to insist a lot of metal bands were influenced by Dadaism of all things - pretty damn preposterous theory, isn't it? - because I don't know anything about "musique concrète ".

Musique concrete is the use of pure sound or noise in music. It is very common today, but it used to be very unusual or "avant-garde".

The article is correct to use Hendrix as an example, he is one of the main people who brought musique concrete to the masses.

It is hard to appreciate this today, but before Hendrix came along only the most experimental guitarists would use the guitar for pure sound. Of course these days almost all rock guitarists do this.

tuxon wrote: anyway I don't think wiki is on the mark with the article, it leaves plenty of room for improvement, but the article is not about avant garde music specifically, it's about the meaning of the word and art-style.   so if you want a more progressive musical interpretation, it would be better to create a new page about that genre, rather than adjusting the mentioned page.

There's nice article about avant-prog, but avant-garde music isn't.. thought, i think it's not so necessary..

But let us now improve the article :) please.......

I think there should be some quotations to make wiki people comfort..
...and fukc natural environmental sounds!

Toaster Mantis wrote: Easy Money wrote: Musique concrete is the use of pure sound or noise in music. It is very common today, but it used to be very unusual or "avant-garde". The article is correct to use Hendrix as an example, he is one of the main people who brought musique concrete to the masses. It is hard to appreciate this today, but before Hendrix came along only the most experimental guitarists would use the guitar for pure sound. Of course these days almost all rock guitarists do this. Thanks for clearing it up. This reminds me: Wasn't the whole overtly distorted guitar sound that's been everywhere in rock music originally created by accident? I've heard a lot of anecdotes saying basically that.

The first distorted guitar in rock was Ike Turner on Rocket 88. Apparently the amp fell out of the trunk on the way to the session and the speaker was damaged. Ike decided to work with it anyway, probably out of neccesity.

I actually think that one is pretty well accepted by most rock historians "rockatorians?" A lot of people consider Rocket 88 to be the first rock song because of it's fuzz guitar sound.
I would imagine the Stax museum of soul music has a web site, that may be a good place to look unless you can visit the actual museum in Memphis.
Their documentation of early rock n roll is pretty extensive.