(avant-)Prog in publicity. E.g. in Wikipedia ;)
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Topic: (avant-)Prog in publicity. E.g. in Wikipedia ;)
Posted By: progressive
Subject: (avant-)Prog in publicity. E.g. in Wikipedia ;)
Date Posted: April 22 2008 at 08:40
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Avant-garde&diff=207341677&oldid=207341621 - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Avant-garde&diff=207341677&oldid=207341621 I tried to edit it but I was so sh*t... could you help me? Or do you think avant-prog shouldn't be mentioned in arcticle "Avant-garde" where for example Jimi Hendrix is mentioned   ?And in this thread you can talk something else about the "publicity" prog has, or, I mean, information. Of course there's many ways to see prog, but I think more ways should be visible. ------------- 
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: April 22 2008 at 11:14
Well, the article doesn't actually call Hendrix prog, it just identifies him with the "Musique concrète" movement... I have no idea if that's correct or stretching it as much as I did when I used to insist a lot of metal bands were influenced by Dadaism of all things - pretty damn preposterous theory, isn't it?  - because I don't know anything about "musique concrète ". |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: April 22 2008 at 11:48
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Avant Garde is an artistic movement as-sich, the music genre Avant garde basically can't be prog, while it is prog by it's very nature. Once an avant garde artist becomes out-dated (therefor not being avant garde anymore), it morphs into progressive style we call avant-garde.
anyway I don't think wiki is on the mark with the article, it leaves plenty of room for improvement, but the article is not about avant garde music specifically, it's about the meaning of the word and art-style.
so if you want a more progressive musical interpretation, it would be better to create a new page about that genre, rather than adjusting the mentioned page.
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: April 22 2008 at 14:31
Please explain exactly what you mean to say, because right now I can't make sense of that paragraph. |
tuxon wrote:Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 22 2008 at 23:40
Musique concrete is the use of pure sound or noise in music. It is very common today, but it used to be very unusual or "avant-garde". The article is correct to use Hendrix as an example, he is one of the main people who brought musique concrete to the masses. It is hard to appreciate this today, but before Hendrix came along only the most experimental guitarists would use the guitar for pure sound. Of course these days almost all rock guitarists do this. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: April 23 2008 at 02:01
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Posted By: progressive
Date Posted: April 23 2008 at 03:30
There's nice article about avant-prog, but avant-garde music isn't.. thought, i think it's not so necessary.. But let us now improve the article :) please....... I think there should be some quotations to make wiki people comfort.. ...and fukc natural environmental sounds! -------------
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: April 23 2008 at 06:35
Thanks for clearing it up.  This reminds me: Wasn't the whole overtly distorted guitar sound that's been everywhere in rock music originally created by accident? I've heard a lot of anecdotes saying basically that. |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 23 2008 at 08:28
The first distorted guitar in rock was Ike Turner on Rocket 88. Apparently the amp fell out of the trunk on the way to the session and the speaker was damaged. Ike decided to work with it anyway, probably out of neccesity. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: April 26 2008 at 07:27
| Any sources? Much as I'd like to believe it, part of me tells me it could just be an urban legend. |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 26 2008 at 07:50
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I actually think that one is pretty well accepted by most rock historians "rockatorians?" A lot of people consider Rocket 88 to be the first rock song because of it's fuzz guitar sound.
I would imagine the Stax museum of soul music has a web site, that may be a good place to look unless you can visit the actual museum in Memphis. Their documentation of early rock n roll is pretty extensive. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: April 26 2008 at 10:02
Okay. Sorry if I seemed a bit snarky, but there's so much hearsay in rock history (see snopes.com's music section) that I just had to be completely sure. 
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