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    Posted: May 19 2010 at 17:09
Hi, as you know, rare are those who are listening to prog music.

Those I know who do have intellectual trends, in the sense that they ask themself more questions about life in general. Indeed, the progressive music helps me personally to get quickly in an intense way of thinking: So I appreciate more the qualities of the music.
Of course, these are only generalizations, but I was wondering if you've noticed similar cases in your community?


Friedrich Nietzsche said: “Without music, life would be an error.” And nobody on Earth has reflected more than Nietzsche. What do you think about this reflection? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 17:38
Well, I certainly see myself as an intellectual.  A thinker.  A ponderer.  Someone who spends time asking questions and looking for answers in life.
And I agree, prog puts me in a similarly speculative mindset.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 17:43
I still have all of my wisdom teeth. Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 17:45
This topic reminds me of that hilarious Uncyclopedia article I read earlier today.

"If your IQ is under 130, or if you are unable to pretend that your IQ is not under 130, you should not even attempt writing Prog Rock. Progressive Rock is—to put it bluntly—for smart people. If you are not one of these smart people, you simply cannot make Progressive Rock music."

or how about:

"If you're talking about Progressive Rock and want to sound smarter and more sophisticated than the person you're talking to, it is recommended you reference King Crimson and/or their first album at least once."

Great stuff. Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 17:46
i totally agree with Nietzsche, music is just about the greatest and most important thing around, for me i am sure-but when i listen to prog, it is more of an emotional thing than an intellectual one-when i am in a  more intellectual "thinking" mood, i will put on a Bruckner or Mahler symphony. Not that intelligence is not part of the prog equation, sure it is. i wonder what music Nietzsche liked? Possibly Wagner?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 18:22
Originally posted by Symphonie Symphonie wrote:


Friedrich Nietzsche said: “Without music, life would be an error.”

Not knowing much about the guy, I really like that quote.  Big smile
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 18:34
the same Nieteche said that "god is dead" but thats an other discussion for an other forum and lay it as that dead...Pig

and yes Prog are making me think more about stuff, but so is a good movie a stunning painting, a nice dancing preformance or a good football match (the European variation offcouse)Approve
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 18:38
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Symphonie Symphonie wrote:


Friedrich Nietzsche said: “Without music, life would be an error.”

Not knowing much about the guy, I really like that quote.  Big smile
"And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh. "
 
...so he was evidently into Line Dancing. LOL
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 19:13
I would not say that I am a super smart intellectual but I will say that one reason I do enjoy prog so much is the complexity of its music. When I tell people I listen to 30 minute prog songs they are baffled at how I could listen to a 30 minute song, but I find them to be a treat because they are usually complex and have a lot to offer. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 19:14
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Symphonie Symphonie wrote:


Friedrich Nietzsche said: “Without music, life would be an error.”

Not knowing much about the guy, I really like that quote.  Big smile
"And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh. "
 
...so he was evidently into Line Dancing. LOL
 
 

Anyone who hasn't heard about square dancing needs to go look it up.  Don't ask me to explain it, I've seen it done, swing your partner, promenade...
(It was big amongst the older folks in the Kentucky area of the country where I hail from.  Probably still is even though the old folks ain't what they used to be.)

Back to topic, I do believe that once we develop really cool prog dancing like this our intellect will blow everyone else away...


Edited by Slartibartfast - May 19 2010 at 19:24
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 19:26
I did an IQ test once, four years ago, and it told me 140.

I was 14.

Just sayin'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 19:59
Well if prog fans are so smart, riddle me this:



Damn straight, Violent J. No matter how smart you are, you still can't hold music. Miracles.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 20:10
as much of a lunatic/idiot Nietzsche was, I guess even he can be right on one thing. Music, and the arts in general, are what give a society its soul.

There is definitely something to be said about men/women of intellect and mind who tend to love artistically minded music in general, including classical and jazz as well.
 
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Edited by Easy Livin - May 20 2010 at 02:34
The human heart instrinsically longs for that which is true, good, and beautiful. This is why timeless music is never without these qualities.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 20:12
Anybody who thinks their favorite style of music is for intellectuals flatters herself. It's laughable. Music of any genre can potentially appeal to anybody. Do I think Prog itself is smarter music than, say, Pop? Well sure, but do I think that makes me anything special? Absolutely not. Some of the best Hip-Hop music is incredibly deep and raw in what it speaks about, but plenty of Hip-Hop fans are idiots. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 20:23
Originally posted by HTCF HTCF wrote:

I did an IQ test once, four years ago, and it told me 140.

I was 14.

Just sayin'.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 21:04
not sure the OP was saying your favorite music is for intellectuals, but rather that perhaps prog stimulates certain brain function that other musics don't



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 21:14
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by HTCF HTCF wrote:

I did an IQ test once, four years ago, and it told me 140.

I was 14.

Just sayin'.



That article is total bullsh*t.  Doing well at things has  zero relation to intelligence, especially in the case of school which is 90% based on effort anyway.

Let's look at some facts here:
I, who am of significantly above average IQ, don't pay attention or try in the slightest bit in any of my high school classes, and do just slightly worse then some students who spend 2 hours a night doing homework, and go in to see their teachers every morning for extra help.  Clearly, that makes them more intelligent than I am.

(the preceding not being related to prog in the slightest):
Most people tell me they don't understand my music; not that it's bad or that they don't like it, but that it confuses and scares them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 21:14
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

not sure the OP was saying your favorite music is for intellectuals, but rather that perhaps prog stimulates certain brain function that other musics don't


Regardless of what the OP meant, I've seen a whole lot of posts full of self-glorification and I find it ridiculous. The posters in this thread who have been more humble about it are not who I'm referring to.

Edited by JLocke - May 19 2010 at 21:16
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 21:24
Originally posted by HTCF HTCF wrote:


Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:


Originally posted by HTCF HTCF wrote:

I did an IQ test once, four years ago, and it told me 140.I was 14.Just sayin'.

That article is total bullsh*t.  Doing well at things has  zero relation to intelligence, especially in the case of school which is 90% based on effort anyway.Let's look at some facts here:I, who am of significantly above average IQ, don't pay attention or try in the slightest bit in any of my high school classes, and do just slightly worse then some students who spend 2 hours a night doing homework, and go in to see their teachers every morning for extra help.  Clearly, that makes them more intelligent than I am.(the preceding not being related to prog in the slightest):Most people tell me they don't understand my music; not that it's bad or that they don't like it, but that it confuses and scares them.

When it comes to life in general I barely try at all, but I would estimate I am still better than 57% of the people I meet.
I have this friend who is kind of smart, but then other times he is just really stupid, but he still likes prog, much more than myself actually. Maybe he proves the theory to be incorrect.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 21:29
Originally posted by HTCF HTCF wrote:

Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by HTCF HTCF wrote:

I did an IQ test once, four years ago, and it told me 140.

I was 14.

Just sayin'.



That article is total bullsh*t.  Doing well at things has  zero relation to intelligence, especially in the case of school which is 90% based on effort anyway.

Let's look at some facts here:
I, who am of significantly above average IQ, don't pay attention or try in the slightest bit in any of my high school classes, and do just slightly worse then some students who spend 2 hours a night doing homework, and go in to see their teachers every morning for extra help.  Clearly, that makes them more intelligent than I am.

(the preceding not being related to prog in the slightest):
Most people tell me they don't understand my music; not that it's bad or that they don't like it, but that it confuses and scares them.

Anybody who joins a conversation for no other reason than to gloat about how intelligent they think they are has no place in my world. The guy in that article has the support of two other people who are professionals in their field. I think I'll take his opinion over yours. The only thing worse than an arrogant ass is an eighteen-year-old arrogant ass. 
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