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Man Overboard
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Topic: Fripp's rules for Bill Bruford, 1981 Posted: April 24 2007 at 19:47 |
Taken from the writings of Robert Fripp: Bill is really getting to me, so I'm trying to understand how he works. 1. He's a very busy player, and doesn't enjoy playing sparsely; 2. His parts have lots of fills and major changes of textures; 3. His fills are dramatic; i.e., they shock. So I've been drawing up the following suggestions: 1. Any existing solution to a problem is the wrong one: absolutum, obsoletum; 2. If you have an idea, don't play it; 3. When a change in the music needs emphasis, don't play it: the change in the music is emphasis enough; 4. Don't phrase with any other member of the band unless it's in the part; 5. Phrasing in the part should include no more than two people; 6. If the tension in the music needs emphasising, don't. The tension is there because of what you're playing, not what you're about to play; 7. If you really have to change your part to build tension, don't add -- leave out; 8. The maximum tension you can add is by stopping completely; 9. If there is space for a fill which is demanded by the music, don't play it: there are three other people who would like to use the opportunity; 10. If the part you're playing is boring, stop listening with your head; 11. If this still bores you, listen to the interaction between all the parts; 12. If this still bores you, stop playing and wait until you are no longer bored; 13. Do not be dramatic; 14. Do not be afraid to repeat yourself; 15. Do not be afraid to take your time.
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rushaholic
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Posted: April 24 2007 at 19:50 |
No wonder he was hard to get along with.
Good insight though.
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Sasquamo
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Posted: April 24 2007 at 19:54 |
Wow, just let him do his thing, that's what works best. It sounds like he's trying to turn him into a robot, or a square, or both.
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Man Overboard
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Posted: April 24 2007 at 19:55 |
And yet, the 80's lineup put out some of the most intricate, tasteful music ever. Who would've thought?
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russellk
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Posted: April 24 2007 at 20:31 |
That helps explain why King Crimson has never appealed to me.
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: April 24 2007 at 21:08 |
You might think that that was pretty harsh, but it wasn't, Fripp was being realistic. He didn't want one man's ego and personal vision getting in the way of the music, and it worked.
For the best example of the tense, dramatic effectiveness that Fripp was guiding Bruford to, check out the Great build in "Starless" from Red, one of the best suspense moments in their repertoire and possibly in rock.
Fripp knew what he was doing
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I am but a servant of the mighty Fripp, the sound of whose loins shall forever be upon the tongues of his followers.
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Sasquamo
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Posted: April 24 2007 at 21:47 |
I guess he didn't want one man's style or personality getting in the way either.
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Man Overboard
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Posted: April 24 2007 at 21:58 |
Heaven forbid a guy have an -aim-.
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: April 24 2007 at 22:06 |
Man Overboard wrote:
Heaven forbid a guy have an -aim-.
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exactly! No, not really, but I guess a good analogy might be: KC was Fripp's child, and Bruford was taking it out back to the shed to roll some reefers, which I'm not saying is a bad thing per se, just not anything a parent would desire for their children. Nahh, if Bruford didn't agree with Fripp, I'm sure he would have left, or wouldn't have come back later, plus he plenty of time to express himself fully on his solo albums, where his aims wouldn't distract from a cohesive jam. I probably sound like a Fripp fanboy now
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I am but a servant of the mighty Fripp, the sound of whose loins shall forever be upon the tongues of his followers.
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el böthy
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Posted: April 24 2007 at 22:17 |
I think those words carry a los of wisdom, I can really say that this is almost a guide for this kind of music, specially for a band like Crimson. You freakin nailed it Fripp!
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: April 24 2007 at 22:48 |
Fripp rules. end of story.
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thellama73
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Posted: April 24 2007 at 23:04 |
I don't think this reflects badly on Mr. Fripp. He is just exercizing
creative control over his project, which is what you have to do if you
have a vision. I'm sure all the great composers of days gone by were
equally harsh if not more so.
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Dim
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Posted: April 24 2007 at 23:46 |
Usually I would tell Fripp to let one of the greatest drummers born play what they want... but it's Fripp, arguably the greatest guitar player ever born , and when you put it into perspective, Fripp is better. WHAT FRIPP SAYS IS LAW!!!
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: April 24 2007 at 23:56 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
WHAT FRIPP SAYS IS LAW!!! |
Legend has it that if a guitar were to be made out of his thighbone and a pick from one of his teeth, their combined harmonics would end music as we know it; obliterating the twelve-tone scale and forever slaying the witch that is Britney Spears! Of course to create a weapon of that magnitude, music would have to lose its greatest savior and paladin of truth - he who holds in his left hand a fretboard wrought of the souls of those who have died trying to figure out what key his solos are in and in his right hand a pick made of the pure meteoric might that is the pick of destiny, an item so devastating that should a mortal behold it in its pure glory he might comprehend the musical simplicity that is his mind's harmonics and despair. To guard against such a black day as the (gasp) death of Fripp, may his name forever be chanted by the priests before his altar, there was established the Krimson Reliquary whereupon... Yeah... I've got too much time on my hands
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I am but a servant of the mighty Fripp, the sound of whose loins shall forever be upon the tongues of his followers.
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 00:35 |
"If this still bores you, stop playing and wait until you are no longer bored"
Hahaha, is he serious?
Man, I hate minimalism.
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 00:41 |
Ghandi 2 wrote:
"If this still bores you, stop playing and wait until you are no longer bored"
Hahaha, is he serious?
Man, I hate minimalism. |
Should the Fripp, may his laughter sound with the shattered groan of a million clowns, joke or quip, it would serve only to hasten the death of the world spirit - Fripp II 37:12-13 Remember and meditate always on such wise thoughts: "Discipline is a Vehicle for Joy"
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I am but a servant of the mighty Fripp, the sound of whose loins shall forever be upon the tongues of his followers.
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fuxi
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 04:29 |
Is this turning into a thread of blatant Fripp-worship, or something?
After Bill Bruford left Crimso, he was quoted as saying: "I found my time with the band musically and intellectually stimulating; I remain grateful for its existence, and full of admiration for its leader, as its leader well knows. I, of all the group's members, was not the enemy, but I did have the thickest skin, well used to receiving the sharpest barbs" (Sid Smith, IN THE COURT OF KING CRIMSON p. 286)
Elsewhere, Bill has described Fripp as "a difficult bugger".
I'm not surprised!
Edited by fuxi - April 25 2007 at 04:30
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pero
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 05:32 |
The man is sick. No wonder that he spent time in monastery.
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Topographic
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 06:06 |
pero wrote:
The man is sick. No wonder that he spent time in monastery. |
Wrong Crimso percussionist. You're thinking of Jamie Muir, the second percussionist on Larks' Tongues in Aspic. If I remember right, he broke his foot during a concert, quit the band, and ran off to a monastery. Apparently, he's a painter now. As far as the whole deal with Fripp and Bruford, they're probably two of my favorite musicians of all time, so I'm not sure quite what to think of it. It does show the quirky dynamics of the two for certain, though. Which is what made Crimso so great. -Topographic
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 06:26 |
If a thread is in need of a humourous post, don't post it - its absence is humorous enough.
Doh!
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