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Topic: the Greeks Dont Want No Freaks! Posted: September 03 2006 at 15:21 |
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why is the ProgArchives so devoid of many great late 60's and early 70's bands from Greece?
This movement is on the scale of say the Dutch or Spanish movements, a good handful of some excellent classics if your looking for a great individual sound. I would say somewhere between Italian and Middle Eastern influenced Prog, very tasteful!
The most famous Greek band of the late sixties was undoubtedly Aphrodite's Child. Two of their members are well-known even today: Egypt-born singer Demis Roussos (who also played the bass guitar, trumpet, bouzouki and organ, by the way) and keyboard wizard and multi-instrumentalist Vangelis Papathanassiou, who hailed from the town of Volos (situated in Thessalia, roughly mid-way between Thessaloniki and Athens); drummer Lucas Sideras (born in Athens) completed the 1968 line-up. They moved to France very early in their career and issued a string of singles that climbed the hit-parades virtually all over the world (their staying in France was due to the great strikes accompanying the upheavals of May 1968; the band were actually on their way to London). Most of their music was pop-oriented but the psychedelic seeds were there manifesting themselves in songs like "The Grass Is No Green", "Don't Try to Catch a River" and "You Always Stand in my Way". Their oeuvre culminated in the release of "666", on the famous Vertigo label. This double album was inspired upon the Apocalypse of St. John and is one of the great psychedelic masterpieces of the period. The influences that can be found on it range from Byzantine church music via oriental-style improvisations to progressive/psychedelic continental rock. After the release of the album (apparently, everyone thinks this was in 1972; I'm convinced it was recorded in 1970, L.) the band members went their separate ways: Lucas Sideras released two rather good albums (and is still active, apparently, playing with a band called Diesel), Demis Roussos dived head first into cocktail-lounge music with "We Shall Dance" (1971) (although I must say there are one or two b-sides of his singles that still bear the mark of his previous career, "Lord of the Flies" for instance, and according to Teodore and Mike there are some great songs in the traditional style on his first album, "On The Greek Side Of My Mind", L.) and Vangelis went on to become one of the great popular keyboard wizards of the seventies. But his first solo outings were of a different nature, with "Hypothesis" (recorded in May 1971,at the Marquee Studios in London), "The Dragon" (recorded one month later, same place) and the all-but-forgotten "Fais Que Ton R...ve Soit Plus Long Que La Nuit". The former two feature Michel Ripoche (the violinist from a French band called Zoo who was also present at the recording of "666") ex- Aphrodite's Child guitarist Arghiris "Silver" Koulouris and some British session men (to wit Brian Odger, Mick Waller and Tony Oxley) playing some very fine jazz-influenced ("Hypothesis") and progressive ("The Dragon") music, while the latter is a rather militant political statement, produced and composed by Vangelis, making use of inscriptions culled from Paris walls in May 1968. All three albums came out in 1971, a year that also saw the release of a single by Alpha Beta, with two songs on it: one was called "Astral Abuse" and the other "Who Killed". Like "Dragon" and "Hypothesis" it came out on the Byg label. In case you're wondering what this suicidal ugly duckling is doing in the midst of these glorious Greek swans, let it be known to all of ye that Alpha Beta was none other than Evangelis O. Papathanassiou in person! Two years later "Earth" recaptured some of the splendour and mood of "666", while on 1974's "Entends-Tu Les Chiens Aboyer" (released on the very small Vampir record label, distinguishing itself by a very bad quality of vinyl - even by French standards, L.) the first inklings of the keyboard extravaganza that was to come reared their head. The next one, "Heaven And Hell" was the one that brought Vangelis (he'd dropped the Papathanassiou with an eye towards commercial feasibility) in the picture as far as the public at large was concerned. And while we're at it: Aphrodite's Child weren't the only Greek band trying to make it abroad; there was Axis, for example, a band that was actually formed in Paris (in 1970). Like their more illustrious compatriots they succeeded in breaking into the hit lists, with a Greek traditional called "Ela Ela" (I recall seeing them on t.v. in the early seventies, with drummer George Hatziathanassiou joining the rest of the band front-stage bashing a huge drum strapped to his belly, L.). They recorded three albums, the first of which contained some fine heavy organ, while the second saw them moving into the twilight zone between progressive music and hard rock. Axis disbanded in 1974, after the release of their third album that failed to make it commercially, in Greece as in the rest of Europe. Organ player Demis Visvikis and bassist Dimitris Katakouzinos joined Demis Roussos' backing band. Another Greek expatriate was George Romanos, who had come on the scene in the mid-sixties, adopting the image of the lonesome troubadour. His first two albums, released in 1967 and '68, are nice collections of folk ballads. In the early seventies he changed his style into a Byrds-influenced fuzzed-out melodic psychedelic sound and issued the excellent album "Duo Mikra Galazia Aloga" ("Two Small Blue Horses") in 1970 (I've got another from around the same period (judging by the cover photos) called "George Romanos In Concert & In The Studio", the studio being Columbia, same as on "Two Small Blue Horses". As far as I can tell by the (Greek) liner notes, George was helped out by Vangelis Papathanassiou!, L.). In 1971, George Romanos moved to France where he seems to have been seen playing with members of Axis; in 1974 he issued a fourth (fifth?) album there, called "Dans Le Grenier", on which the emphasis lies on the bitter-sweet edge of his melodies and the surrealist lyrics. For quite a long time (almost a decade) Romanos was nowhere to be seen but then he came up with two more albums in the eighties, having partially reverted to his ballad-oriented style, but mixing it with progressive and psychedelic stuff. To close off this slightly oo-la-la chapter there's Stamatis, a Greek singer who recorded "Beautiful Lies" for the Philips label in 1972. The album is a mixture of acoustic and electric rock, once again consisting mostly of perfectly sung and orchestrated quiet songs and ballads, in a similar vein to Strawbs or very early Genesis. Some French musicians participated on the album, as well as Arghiris Koulouris and Lucas Sideras of Aphrodite's Child. Meanwhile, back in Greece the seventies heralded an explosion in the Greek underground scene; not only in music but also in all other forms of art as well as in political activism a stream of radical innovation was omnipresent. The principal expressions of this phenomenon were the gradual change of several quarters in Athens toward becoming freak hang-outs (Plaka and Exarchia Square) the turning into rock clubs of many traditional folk music taverns and in general the adopting of alternative attitudes by the most advanced of the younger people. Thus a small radical core began to show its presence nearly everywhere in the big cities, spurred on primarily by the fall of the military regime but also by an obvious desire for change. Having to face a new, uncontrolled phenomenon, the conservative Greek society showed a hostile disposition, with the mass media printing slurs against the new movement and approving of the autocracy of the suppressive forces. As was to be foreseen this behaviour did nothing if not strengthen the cohesion of the alternative scene. A space for free and virtually limitless forms of expression was opened and many bands quit their previous mainstream direction and jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Unfortunately the record companies were loath the issue rock music, not necessarily from a political but rather from a commercial point of view: they assumed that there wasn't enough of a potential audience for the genre to make it worth their while. The majority of the groups disappeared without leaving any recorded traces. Some of the more serious underground bands were captured on vinyl, however, like on the "Live At Kyttaro" album that gives a very nice cross-section of what was happening in Athens in the early seventies. The recordings on the album date back to 1971 (I think) but it was only released in 1980 (on the Lyra label) and it features some convincingly shouted pop material from Despina Glezou, a folk-influenced protest-type song by Damon & Fidias, a free-form piece by the infamous Hexadactylus, Dionysis Savopoulos with Stella Gadeda and his band Bourboulia, and last but by no means least a ten-minute track called "Elektrikos Socrates" by Socrates Drank The Conium. We'll go over the latter three bands in some detail, starting with Socrates. Socrates was formed (as Socrates Drank The Conium) from the ashes of garage band The Persons in 1969, around bass player and singer Anthony Tourkogiorgis and John Spathas, an excellent guitarist, with George Trandalides on drums. Over the years, they turned into Greece's most expressive rock band. Their first two albums were issued in 1972 and 1973 respectively and contained some very fine blues and early hard rock, with the band shortening their name to Socrates in the process. On their third, "On The Wings" (1974), they incorporated some elements of Southern rock into their sound, while for their fourth effort - recorded in London - they drafted in Vangelis Papathanassiou (who had turned down an offer from Yes to replace Rick Wakeman!) whose keyboards helped turn "Phos" (1976) into a progressive underground masterpiece. For their last two albums they went back to the straight and narrow path of just plain old rock, with a few funk elements thrown in, although the quality of their music remained at a high level. Socrates disbanded in 1984 and its musicians now pursue successful solo careers. Dionysis Savopoulos was probably the most influential individual in the history of Greek alternative music. His ethnic approach to rock is unique and ranks him among the sacred monsters of the genre. He began way back in 1966 with "Fortigo" a record that was markedly influenced by the songs of Bob Dylan, Woody Guthrie and Jacques Brel. In 1970, Savopoulos turned to a completely personal sound, blending protest ballads, rhythm'n'blues, psychedelia, straight rock, jazz, Greek traditional music and ethnic tunes from all over the Balkan into an awesome progressive idiom. His long song on "Live At Kyttaro" is most impressive and one of the best cuts on the album. Members of other important Greek bands (Iraklis, for instance) popped in to give him a hand occasionally and his cooperation with Stella Gadedi was prolonged well into the seventies. Practically all of his albums up to 1979 are works of an untiring genius, but sadly his musical offerings of the eighties show an almighty drop in quality accompanied - alas - by a change of attitude in his political views as well. Hexadactylus arose from the ashes of MGC. With the charismatic singer Dimitris Poulikakos as main man they proved to be one of the principal bands of the period. They developed a personal musical style leaning towards Frank Zappa's Mothers Of Invention (with some wild vibraphone playing by Dimitris Polytimos) and soon acquired a devoted following. Apart from this live track, only two singles were left behind by this freaky, jazz-influenced band: "The Kids Are Alright" and "Aneprokopos", both released in 1971. In 1976 EMI Greece released "Metaforai Ekdromai - O Mitsos", credited as a Dimitris Poulikakos solo album; it's considered to be one of the three best albums to come out of Greece's underground scene in the seventies, having successfully captured the spirit of the age. Apart from all the members of Hexadactylus (who were Dimitros Poulikakos himself, Lakis Diakogiannis on sax, Nikos Politis on guitar, Antonis Triantafyllou on bass, Leonidas Alachadamis on drums and Dimitris Polytimos of vibes and organ) just about the whole Greek music scene was present on the album, with lots of members of other bands participating in the project. A few random examples: Vlassis Bonatsos of Peloma Bokiou was there, Nikos Tsilogiannis of Bourboulia, Costas Doukakis and John Spathas who had played guitar on the Socrates albums as well as Socrates drummer George Trandalides, Pavlos Sidiropoulos of Damon & Fidias and Spyridoula, and quite a number of persons who had worked on the Iraklis albums. And to join both ends of the circle Dimitris Poulikakos in his turn sang on Iraklis' double album "Se Allous Kosmous" that was released in the same year as "Metaforai Ekdromai". Iraklis Triandafyllides began his career in the sixties, playing in a beat band called The Saints (who had one single out) before going on to join D.N.A. in the early seventies. In 1973 he formed a band of his own (Lernaia Hydra - named after a monster out of Greek mythology) with which he recorded two singles as well as the double album mentioned earlier. It's not only one of the best but also one of the rarest Greek releases. The two records he released in the eighties are rarities as well. His work is mainly characterised by ethnic and psychedelic elements and dreamy atmospheres in a folk/psych style using many traditional Greek instruments. Nowadays, Iraklis owns several clubs and recording studios; he released two albums in the early eighties as well as a single-record reprint of "Se Allous Kosmous" in 1988. This seems as good a place as any to mention that Giannis Giokarinis, who say and played the bass on some of the Iraklis albums, played the keyboards for Ilias Asvestopolous, whose "2002 Pola" album was released on Pan-Vox in 1974. Bass player Giorgos Fillipidis and violinist Giorgos Mangklaras were two other musicians who were both featured on the Iraklis albums. Their names were also to be found on an album by one of the figureheads of the Greek scene: Stavros Logarides. In the early seventies, Logarides founded Poll, a soft-rock, folky-psychedelic, hippie-ballad band, clearly influenced by the likes of The Byrds and Crosby Stills Nash & Young. The other two members were Kostas Tournas (who used to be with a garage band called The Teenagers that released one single in 1966) and Robert Williams (I think he's the same guy who recorded "Nosferatu" with The Stranglers' Hugh Cornwall in 1979, and who went on to play for Captain Beefheart and The Tremblers, L.). Poll only existed for two years but they managed to release two albums (in 1971 and '72). Their easy-listening ballad style made them very popular with Greek audiences, although the songs they wrote were rather light-weight. After the split, Kostas Tournas went on to record a progressive psychedelic concept solo album (whew, L.) in 1972 while Stavros Logarides started up another band, called Akritas. Incidentally, Poll would briefly reform in the early eighties, and come up with a live reunion album (they really were taking the CSN&Y thing to the limit, weren't they, L.). Now Akritas must surely rank among the best groups ever to have hit the Greek scene, if one is to judge by their - admittedly very rare - eponymous debut album. The LP is chock-full of underground progressive rock akin to the sounds that can be found on albums by Aardvark, Arcadium and even Emerson Lake & Palmer. Apart from Logarides, other people in the band were keyboards player Aris Tasoulis (ex-Despina Glezou), guitarist Dimis Papachristou, drummer Giorgos Tsoupakis (who in the eighties went on to play with Panos Dracos) and organist John Papadopoulos). Sadly, apart from a single, this 1974 release was to be their only re-corded output, for soon after this excellent band split up due to general indifference. A part of that era's rock press is on record as describing Akritas' music as "music for Chinese people", because of the intrinsically difficult and complex rhythmic patterns they wove. Interestingly, the lyrics to "Akritas" were written by Costas Ferris, the very same one who had also worked for Aphrodite's Child on their "666" masterpiece. After the demise of Akritas Stavros Logarides seemed to fade from view, but he did come up with a solo album in 1978 (recorded in the Studio Era, in August of the same year). The LP featured the nucleus of Akritas (Dimis Papachristou and Giorgos Tsoupakis) as well as a some guest musicians among whom members (or former members) of Iraklis, Socrates and Hexadactylus could be spotted. Teodore and Mike's favourite band from the early seventies was Peloma Bokiou, who released one album (in 1972) and four singles. They were made up of ex-Bourboulia guitarist Nikos Daperis, drummer Takis Marinakis (who also played with Dimitris Poulikakos), keyboard person George Stefanakis and "they had the best Greek male rock singer in our opinion, named Vlassis Bonatsos" (T+M). If the group is known to record collectors at all, it's not so much because of their organ-based psychedelic hard rock sound mixed with traditional Greek folk influences, but rather because they were mentioned in the credits on German band Agitation Free's "Malesch" album. As it happens, the latter's sound greatly influenced one of Greece's most extreme psychedelic bands, and another favourite of Teodore and Mike. Like them, they came from Piraeus; they were called Gazuama Sinchartas and featured fuzzed-out guitars and a completely stoned-sounding instrumentation that blended traditional music with a heavy psychedelic sound, leaning towards Pink Floyd, Amon Düül II and Egg as well. They issued one great single ("Anypsosi" - 1971) but sadly there's nothing else left of this monster band. There were connections betwixt Peloma Bokiou and some other fairly well-known Greek bands and musicians as well: singer Vlassis Bonatsos helped out on Stelios Fotiadis's mellotron-drenched "Kainourgia Mera" album (released on Lyra in 1975) where he was in the good company of Despina Glezou, the female vocalist who was featured on the "Live At Kyttaro" lp. She'd been in another band with Stelios Fotiadis before that, called Nostradamos; their sole album appeared on the Zodiac label in 1972. Peloma Bokiou's keyboard player, Giorgos Stefanakis, played on one of Mariza Koch's albums (in 1973; Iraklis guitarist Giorgos Filippidis was present as well, and so was Socrates drummer Giorgos Trandalides; this is starting to look like a Greek super-group, L.). She was a legendary female vocalist with a tremendous voice who came out of the folk movement. During the seventies she started to take an interest in a more electrified sound and integrated progressive rock, medieval and free jazz elements in her music, making for a style close to Area, Fairport Convention and Gryphon. Albums like "Dio Zygies Paignidia" (1974) - a true monster release - "Mariza Koch" (1977) and "O Kathreftis" (1980) are perfect examples of how progressive folk music should sound. She continues making music to this day, issuing albums and appearing live, and still has a huge status in the underground. Incidentally, keen amateurs of eastern-tinged folk and folk rock can also get out their wallets and go look for a private label release called "Times Of Spring", by Eleni Mandelou. The album was made around 1980/82 but it appears to be quite hard to find as only 500 copies were pressed. The Vavoura Band, formed by John Drolapas (guitars) and John Vavouras (bass, vocals) in 1976, was a hard rock formation that was very famous for its destructive live shows. Their musical style tended towards Jimi Hendrix, Cream and Golden Earring. Apart from the 1981-released single "The Junkie" they have a few tracks on compilations. Delta (from Saloniki) and Mauve were two other hard rock bands of the same period, who shared an album on the Pan-Vox label, with the latter tending more towards straight hard rock, while the former incorporated some progressive moves into their music. Edited by DallasBryan - September 03 2006 at 15:25 |
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 03 2006 at 15:24 | ||
need a strong drink and quite to read the entire post...
anyway, must say I'm a big fan of Vangelis, plus I "symphathise" with AC as well. |
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DallasBryan
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Posted: September 03 2006 at 15:26 | ||
check out Axis or Akritas for a taste of something special!
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RoyalJelly
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Posted: September 03 2006 at 16:27 | ||
What about Yanni...isn't he a Geek? Oh wait...this thread is about Greeks...
I think he passes on both counts. |
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NotAProghead
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Posted: September 03 2006 at 17:59 | ||
Thanks, DallasBryan, great post.
Maybe the title isn't so good, because it isn't helpful for searching info on Greek rock.
Everyone who tried it, knows that it's almost impossible to find information about Greek rock bands in English (except for Aphrodite's Child and Vangelis). Many times I tried to find something about AKRITAS and Peloma Bokiou and couldn't find anything.
I thought I know most of best Greek bands (Akritas, Socrates, Peloma Bokiou, P.L.J. Band, Apokalypsis, Panos Dracos), but now I see other names worth checking.
BTW, for those, who are searching for Greek music, including prog and jazz rock, a very good Greek online store: http://www.studio52.gr. Don't worry, the site has English version. Edited by NotAProghead - September 03 2006 at 18:43 |
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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verslibre
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Posted: September 03 2006 at 23:21 | ||
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aapatsos
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 07:11 | ||
even for me that I am Greek...
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micky
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 10:08 | ||
damn... I thought this was an Eagles thread.....
DB... why the hell aren't you a collaborator yet.... nice post... though it hurt my head a bit.... my eyesight isn't what it used to be for us old folks... and the ADD's out there... how about a condensed version of ... you must get... x, y, and z, and why in a couple of sentences hahahha |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Yukorin
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 10:24 | ||
Edited by Yukorin - September 14 2006 at 01:12 |
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Ray Lomas
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 12:14 | ||
Intresting post, DB. It seems I have to get more familiar with greek prog...
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DallasBryan
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 15:45 | ||
Axis - same(1973)
Akritas - same(1973)
Socrates - Phos(1976) or Aphrodite's Child - 666(1972)
Vangelis - Albedo 0.39(1976)
those 5 are my favorites, though I havent heard everything out there, I've heard 20-25 from the 70's - early 80's over the years. Edited by DallasBryan - September 04 2006 at 15:56 |
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toolis
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 15:52 | ||
and believe me,if it wasn't for the seven years of dictatorship, (1967-1973) there would be even more... |
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
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transend
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 00:03 | ||
I thought it was an Eagles thread too
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DallasBryan
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Posted: March 24 2007 at 20:41 | ||
good thread ?
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laplace
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Posted: March 24 2007 at 20:47 | ||
I heard the name Peloma Bokiou just the other day and marvelled at the fact that I knew nothing about greek music.
a lot of the bands you described sound like psych or hard prog, not really my thing - but it's still interesting to read about |
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progismylife
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Posted: March 24 2007 at 20:55 | ||
That was a really long read but well worth it! Good job DB!
I'll have to take a look into the albums listed. Do you think you could make a list for easy reference DB? Edited by progismylife - March 24 2007 at 20:57 |
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Tony R
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Posted: March 24 2007 at 21:01 | ||
or you could just head off here:
C&P DB..
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progismylife
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Posted: March 24 2007 at 21:03 | ||
I take back my clappie then if it was just C&P. List of albums from site: |
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DallasBryan
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Posted: March 24 2007 at 21:12 | ||
well done, Tone! Edited by DallasBryan - March 24 2007 at 21:13 |
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Tony R
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Posted: March 24 2007 at 21:27 | ||
Always cite your sources DB, please... |
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