the Greeks Dont Want No Freaks!
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Topic: the Greeks Dont Want No Freaks!
Posted By: DallasBryan
Subject: the Greeks Dont Want No Freaks!
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 15:21
why is the ProgArchives so devoid of many great late 60's and early 70's bands from Greece?
This movement is on the scale of say the Dutch or Spanish movements, a good handful of some excellent classics if your looking for a great individual sound. I would say somewhere between Italian and Middle Eastern influenced Prog, very tasteful!
The most famous Greek band of the late sixties was undoubtedly Aphrodite's Child. Two of their members are well-known even today: Egypt-born singer Demis Roussos (who also played the bass guitar, trumpet, bouzouki and organ, by the way) and keyboard wizard and multi-instrumentalist Vangelis Papathanassiou, who hailed from the town of Volos (situated in Thessalia, roughly mid-way between Thessaloniki and Athens); drummer Lucas Sideras (born in Athens) completed the 1968 line-up. They moved to France very early in their career and issued a string of singles that climbed the hit-parades virtually all over the world (their staying in France was due to the great strikes accompanying the upheavals of May 1968; the band were actually on their way to London). Most of their music was pop-oriented but the psychedelic seeds were there manifesting themselves in songs like "The Grass Is No Green", "Don't Try to Catch a River" and "You Always Stand in my Way". Their oeuvre culminated in the release of "666", on the famous Vertigo label. This double album was inspired upon the Apocalypse of St. John and is one of the great psychedelic masterpieces of the period. The influences that can be found on it range from Byzantine church music via oriental-style improvisations to progressive/psychedelic continental rock.
After the release of the album (apparently, everyone thinks this was in 1972; I'm convinced it was recorded in 1970, L.) the band members went their separate ways: Lucas Sideras released two rather good albums (and is still active, apparently, playing with a band called Diesel), Demis Roussos dived head first into cocktail-lounge music with "We Shall Dance" (1971) (although I must say there are one or two b-sides of his singles that still bear the mark of his previous career, "Lord of the Flies" for instance, and according to Teodore and Mike there are some great songs in the traditional style on his first album, "On The Greek Side Of My Mind", L.) and Vangelis went on to become one of the great popular keyboard wizards of the seventies. But his first solo outings were of a different nature, with "Hypothesis" (recorded in May 1971,at the Marquee Studios in London), "The Dragon" (recorded one month later, same place) and the all-but-forgotten "Fais Que Ton R...ve Soit Plus Long Que La Nuit". The former two feature Michel Ripoche (the violinist from a French band called Zoo who was also present at the recording of "666") ex- Aphrodite's Child guitarist Arghiris "Silver" Koulouris and some British session men (to wit Brian Odger, Mick Waller and Tony Oxley) playing some very fine jazz-influenced ("Hypothesis") and progressive ("The Dragon") music, while the latter is a rather militant political statement, produced and composed by Vangelis, making use of inscriptions culled from Paris walls in May 1968. All three albums came out in 1971, a year that also saw the release of a single by Alpha Beta, with two songs on it: one was called "Astral Abuse" and the other "Who Killed". Like "Dragon" and "Hypothesis" it came out on the Byg label. In case you're wondering what this suicidal ugly duckling is doing in the midst of these glorious Greek swans, let it be known to all of ye that Alpha Beta was none other than Evangelis O. Papathanassiou in person! Two years later "Earth" recaptured some of the splendour and mood of "666", while on 1974's "Entends-Tu Les Chiens Aboyer" (released on the very small Vampir record label, distinguishing itself by a very bad quality of vinyl - even by French standards, L.) the first inklings of the keyboard extravaganza that was to come reared their head. The next one, "Heaven And Hell" was the one that brought Vangelis (he'd dropped the Papathanassiou with an eye towards commercial feasibility) in the picture as far as the public at large was concerned. And while we're at it: Aphrodite's Child weren't the only Greek band trying to make it abroad; there was Axis, for example, a band that was actually formed in Paris (in 1970). Like their more illustrious compatriots they succeeded in breaking into the hit lists, with a Greek traditional called "Ela Ela" (I recall seeing them on t.v. in the early seventies, with drummer George Hatziathanassiou joining the rest of the band front-stage bashing a huge drum strapped to his belly, L.). They recorded three albums, the first of which contained some fine heavy organ, while the second saw them moving into the twilight zone between progressive music and hard rock. Axis disbanded in 1974, after the release of their third album that failed to make it commercially, in Greece as in the rest of Europe. Organ player Demis Visvikis and bassist Dimitris Katakouzinos joined Demis Roussos' backing band. Another Greek expatriate was George Romanos, who had come on the scene in the mid-sixties, adopting the image of the lonesome troubadour. His first two albums, released in 1967 and '68, are nice collections of folk ballads. In the early seventies he changed his style into a Byrds-influenced fuzzed-out melodic psychedelic sound and issued the excellent album "Duo Mikra Galazia Aloga" ("Two Small Blue Horses") in 1970 (I've got another from around the same period (judging by the cover photos) called "George Romanos In Concert & In The Studio", the studio being Columbia, same as on "Two Small Blue Horses". As far as I can tell by the (Greek) liner notes, George was helped out by Vangelis Papathanassiou!, L.). In 1971, George Romanos moved to France where he seems to have been seen playing with members of Axis; in 1974 he issued a fourth (fifth?) album there, called "Dans Le Grenier", on which the emphasis lies on the bitter-sweet edge of his melodies and the surrealist lyrics. For quite a long time (almost a decade) Romanos was nowhere to be seen but then he came up with two more albums in the eighties, having partially reverted to his ballad-oriented style, but mixing it with progressive and psychedelic stuff. To close off this slightly oo-la-la chapter there's Stamatis, a Greek singer who recorded "Beautiful Lies" for the Philips label in 1972. The album is a mixture of acoustic and electric rock, once again consisting mostly of perfectly sung and orchestrated quiet songs and ballads, in a similar vein to Strawbs or very early Genesis. Some French musicians participated on the album, as well as Arghiris Koulouris and Lucas Sideras of Aphrodite's Child. Meanwhile, back in Greece the seventies heralded an explosion in the Greek underground scene; not only in music but also in all other forms of art as well as in political activism a stream of radical innovation was omnipresent. The principal expressions of this phenomenon were the gradual change of several quarters in Athens toward becoming freak hang-outs (Plaka and Exarchia Square) the turning into rock clubs of many traditional folk music taverns and in general the adopting of alternative attitudes by the most advanced of the younger people. Thus a small radical core began to show its presence nearly everywhere in the big cities, spurred on primarily by the fall of the military regime but also by an obvious desire for change. Having to face a new, uncontrolled phenomenon, the conservative Greek society showed a hostile disposition, with the mass media printing slurs against the new movement and approving of the autocracy of the suppressive forces. As was to be foreseen this behaviour did nothing if not strengthen the cohesion of the alternative scene. A space for free and virtually limitless forms of expression was opened and many bands quit their previous mainstream direction and jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Unfortunately the record companies were loath the issue rock music, not necessarily from a political but rather from a commercial point of view: they assumed that there wasn't enough of a potential audience for the genre to make it worth their while. The majority of the groups disappeared without leaving any recorded traces. Some of the more serious underground bands were captured on vinyl, however, like on the "Live At Kyttaro" album that gives a very nice cross-section of what was happening in Athens in the early seventies. The recordings on the album date back to 1971 (I think) but it was only released in 1980 (on the Lyra label) and it features some convincingly shouted pop material from Despina Glezou, a folk-influenced protest-type song by Damon & Fidias, a free-form piece by the infamous Hexadactylus, Dionysis Savopoulos with Stella Gadeda and his band Bourboulia, and last but by no means least a ten-minute track called "Elektrikos Socrates" by Socrates Drank The Conium. We'll go over the latter three bands in some detail, starting with Socrates. Socrates was formed (as Socrates Drank The Conium) from the ashes of garage band The Persons in 1969, around bass player and singer Anthony Tourkogiorgis and John Spathas, an excellent guitarist, with George Trandalides on drums. Over the years, they turned into Greece's most expressive rock band. Their first two albums were issued in 1972 and 1973 respectively and contained some very fine blues and early hard rock, with the band shortening their name to Socrates in the process. On their third, "On The Wings" (1974), they incorporated some elements of Southern rock into their sound, while for their fourth effort - recorded in London - they drafted in Vangelis Papathanassiou (who had turned down an offer from Yes to replace Rick Wakeman!) whose keyboards helped turn "Phos" (1976) into a progressive underground masterpiece. For their last two albums they went back to the straight and narrow path of just plain old rock, with a few funk elements thrown in, although the quality of their music remained at a high level. Socrates disbanded in 1984 and its musicians now pursue successful solo careers. Dionysis Savopoulos was probably the most influential individual in the history of Greek alternative music. His ethnic approach to rock is unique and ranks him among the sacred monsters of the genre. He began way back in 1966 with "Fortigo" a record that was markedly influenced by the songs of Bob Dylan, Woody Guthrie and Jacques Brel. In 1970, Savopoulos turned to a completely personal sound, blending protest ballads, rhythm'n'blues, psychedelia, straight rock, jazz, Greek traditional music and ethnic tunes from all over the Balkan into an awesome progressive idiom. His long song on "Live At Kyttaro" is most impressive and one of the best cuts on the album. Members of other important Greek bands (Iraklis, for instance) popped in to give him a hand occasionally and his cooperation with Stella Gadedi was prolonged well into the seventies. Practically all of his albums up to 1979 are works of an untiring genius, but sadly his musical offerings of the eighties show an almighty drop in quality accompanied - alas - by a change of attitude in his political views as well. Hexadactylus arose from the ashes of MGC. With the charismatic singer Dimitris Poulikakos as main man they proved to be one of the principal bands of the period. They developed a personal musical style leaning towards Frank Zappa's Mothers Of Invention (with some wild vibraphone playing by Dimitris Polytimos) and soon acquired a devoted following. Apart from this live track, only two singles were left behind by this freaky, jazz-influenced band: "The Kids Are Alright" and "Aneprokopos", both released in 1971. In 1976 EMI Greece released "Metaforai Ekdromai - O Mitsos", credited as a Dimitris Poulikakos solo album; it's considered to be one of the three best albums to come out of Greece's underground scene in the seventies, having successfully captured the spirit of the age. Apart from all the members of Hexadactylus (who were Dimitros Poulikakos himself, Lakis Diakogiannis on sax, Nikos Politis on guitar, Antonis Triantafyllou on bass, Leonidas Alachadamis on drums and Dimitris Polytimos of vibes and organ) just about the whole Greek music scene was present on the album, with lots of members of other bands participating in the project. A few random examples: Vlassis Bonatsos of Peloma Bokiou was there, Nikos Tsilogiannis of Bourboulia, Costas Doukakis and John Spathas who had played guitar on the Socrates albums as well as Socrates drummer George Trandalides, Pavlos Sidiropoulos of Damon & Fidias and Spyridoula, and quite a number of persons who had worked on the Iraklis albums. And to join both ends of the circle Dimitris Poulikakos in his turn sang on Iraklis' double album "Se Allous Kosmous" that was released in the same year as "Metaforai Ekdromai". Iraklis Triandafyllides began his career in the sixties, playing in a beat band called The Saints (who had one single out) before going on to join D.N.A. in the early seventies. In 1973 he formed a band of his own (Lernaia Hydra - named after a monster out of Greek mythology) with which he recorded two singles as well as the double album mentioned earlier. It's not only one of the best but also one of the rarest Greek releases. The two records he released in the eighties are rarities as well. His work is mainly characterised by ethnic and psychedelic elements and dreamy atmospheres in a folk/psych style using many traditional Greek instruments. Nowadays, Iraklis owns several clubs and recording studios; he released two albums in the early eighties as well as a single-record reprint of "Se Allous Kosmous" in 1988. This seems as good a place as any to mention that Giannis Giokarinis, who say and played the bass on some of the Iraklis albums, played the keyboards for Ilias Asvestopolous, whose "2002 Pola" album was released on Pan-Vox in 1974. Bass player Giorgos Fillipidis and violinist Giorgos Mangklaras were two other musicians who were both featured on the Iraklis albums. Their names were also to be found on an album by one of the figureheads of the Greek scene: Stavros Logarides. In the early seventies, Logarides founded Poll, a soft-rock, folky-psychedelic, hippie-ballad band, clearly influenced by the likes of The Byrds and Crosby Stills Nash & Young. The other two members were Kostas Tournas (who used to be with a garage band called The Teenagers that released one single in 1966) and Robert Williams (I think he's the same guy who recorded "Nosferatu" with The Stranglers' Hugh Cornwall in 1979, and who went on to play for Captain Beefheart and The Tremblers, L.). Poll only existed for two years but they managed to release two albums (in 1971 and '72). Their easy-listening ballad style made them very popular with Greek audiences, although the songs they wrote were rather light-weight. After the split, Kostas Tournas went on to record a progressive psychedelic concept solo album (whew, L.) in 1972 while Stavros Logarides started up another band, called Akritas. Incidentally, Poll would briefly reform in the early eighties, and come up with a live reunion album (they really were taking the CSN&Y thing to the limit, weren't they, L.). Now Akritas must surely rank among the best groups ever to have hit the Greek scene, if one is to judge by their - admittedly very rare - eponymous debut album. The LP is chock-full of underground progressive rock akin to the sounds that can be found on albums by Aardvark, Arcadium and even Emerson Lake & Palmer. Apart from Logarides, other people in the band were keyboards player Aris Tasoulis (ex-Despina Glezou), guitarist Dimis Papachristou, drummer Giorgos Tsoupakis (who in the eighties went on to play with Panos Dracos) and organist John Papadopoulos). Sadly, apart from a single, this 1974 release was to be their only re-corded output, for soon after this excellent band split up due to general indifference. A part of that era's rock press is on record as describing Akritas' music as "music for Chinese people", because of the intrinsically difficult and complex rhythmic patterns they wove. Interestingly, the lyrics to "Akritas" were written by Costas Ferris, the very same one who had also worked for Aphrodite's Child on their "666" masterpiece. After the demise of Akritas Stavros Logarides seemed to fade from view, but he did come up with a solo album in 1978 (recorded in the Studio Era, in August of the same year). The LP featured the nucleus of Akritas (Dimis Papachristou and Giorgos Tsoupakis) as well as a some guest musicians among whom members (or former members) of Iraklis, Socrates and Hexadactylus could be spotted. Teodore and Mike's favourite band from the early seventies was Peloma Bokiou, who released one album (in 1972) and four singles. They were made up of ex-Bourboulia guitarist Nikos Daperis, drummer Takis Marinakis (who also played with Dimitris Poulikakos), keyboard person George Stefanakis and "they had the best Greek male rock singer in our opinion, named Vlassis Bonatsos" (T+M). If the group is known to record collectors at all, it's not so much because of their organ-based psychedelic hard rock sound mixed with traditional Greek folk influences, but rather because they were mentioned in the credits on German band Agitation Free's "Malesch" album. As it happens, the latter's sound greatly influenced one of Greece's most extreme psychedelic bands, and another favourite of Teodore and Mike. Like them, they came from Piraeus; they were called Gazuama Sinchartas and featured fuzzed-out guitars and a completely stoned-sounding instrumentation that blended traditional music with a heavy psychedelic sound, leaning towards Pink Floyd, Amon Düül II and Egg as well. They issued one great single ("Anypsosi" - 1971) but sadly there's nothing else left of this monster band. There were connections betwixt Peloma Bokiou and some other fairly well-known Greek bands and musicians as well: singer Vlassis Bonatsos helped out on Stelios Fotiadis's mellotron-drenched "Kainourgia Mera" album (released on Lyra in 1975) where he was in the good company of Despina Glezou, the female vocalist who was featured on the "Live At Kyttaro" lp. She'd been in another band with Stelios Fotiadis before that, called Nostradamos; their sole album appeared on the Zodiac label in 1972.
Peloma Bokiou's keyboard player, Giorgos Stefanakis, played on one of Mariza Koch's albums (in 1973; Iraklis guitarist Giorgos Filippidis was present as well, and so was Socrates drummer Giorgos Trandalides; this is starting to look like a Greek super-group, L.). She was a legendary female vocalist with a tremendous voice who came out of the folk movement. During the seventies she started to take an interest in a more electrified sound and integrated progressive rock, medieval and free jazz elements in her music, making for a style close to Area, Fairport Convention and Gryphon. Albums like "Dio Zygies Paignidia" (1974) - a true monster release - "Mariza Koch" (1977) and "O Kathreftis" (1980) are perfect examples of how progressive folk music should sound. She continues making music to this day, issuing albums and appearing live, and still has a huge status in the underground. Incidentally, keen amateurs of eastern-tinged folk and folk rock can also get out their wallets and go look for a private label release called "Times Of Spring", by Eleni Mandelou. The album was made around 1980/82 but it appears to be quite hard to find as only 500 copies were pressed. The Vavoura Band, formed by John Drolapas (guitars) and John Vavouras (bass, vocals) in 1976, was a hard rock formation that was very famous for its destructive live shows. Their musical style tended towards Jimi Hendrix, Cream and Golden Earring. Apart from the 1981-released single "The Junkie" they have a few tracks on compilations. Delta (from Saloniki) and Mauve were two other hard rock bands of the same period, who shared an album on the Pan-Vox label, with the latter tending more towards straight hard rock, while the former incorporated some progressive moves into their music.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 15:24
need a strong drink and quite to read the entire post...
anyway, must say I'm a big fan of Vangelis, plus I "symphathise" with AC as well.
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 15:26
check out Axis or Akritas for a taste of something special!
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Posted By: RoyalJelly
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 16:27
What about Yanni...isn't he a Geek? Oh wait...this thread is about Greeks...
I think he passes on both counts.
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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 17:59
Thanks, DallasBryan, great post.
Maybe the title isn't so good, because it isn't helpful for searching info on Greek rock.
Everyone who tried it, knows that it's almost impossible to find information about Greek rock bands in English (except for Aphrodite's Child and Vangelis). Many times I tried to find something about AKRITAS and Peloma Bokiou and couldn't find anything.
I thought I know most of best Greek bands (Akritas, Socrates, Peloma Bokiou, P.L.J. Band, Apokalypsis, Panos Dracos), but now I see other names worth checking.
BTW, for those, who are searching for Greek music, including prog and jazz rock, a very good Greek online store: http://www.studio52.gr - http://www.studio52.gr . Don't worry, the site has English version.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 23:21
RoyalJelly wrote:
What about Yanni...isn't he a Geek? Oh wait...this thread is about Greeks...
I think he passes on both counts. |
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 07:11
Ricochet wrote:
need a strong drink and quite to read the entire post...
anyway, must say I'm a big fan of Vangelis, plus I "symphathise" with AC as well.
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even for me that I am Greek...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 10:08
damn... I thought this was an Eagles thread.....
DB... why the hell aren't you a collaborator yet....
nice post... though it hurt my head a bit.... my eyesight isn't what it used to be
for us old folks... and the ADD's out there... how about a condensed version of ...
you must get...
x, y, and z, and why in a couple of sentences hahahha
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Posted By: Yukorin
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 10:24
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Posted By: Ray Lomas
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 12:14
Intresting post, DB. It seems I have to get more familiar with greek prog...
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 15:45
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DIMITRIS POULIKAKOS / METAFORAI EKDROMAI O MITSOS | 1976
Axis - same(1973)
Akritas - same(1973)
Socrates - Phos(1976) or Aphrodite's Child - 666(1972)
Vangelis - Albedo 0.39(1976)
those 5 are my favorites, though I havent heard everything out there, I've heard 20-25 from the 70's - early 80's over the years.
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 15:52
and believe me,if it wasn't for the seven years of dictatorship, (1967-1973) there would be even more...
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sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
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Posted By: transend
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 00:03
I thought it was an Eagles thread too
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 20:41
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 20:47
I heard the name Peloma Bokiou just the other day and marvelled at the fact that I knew nothing about greek music.
a lot of the bands you described sound like psych or hard prog, not really my thing - but it's still interesting to read about
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 20:55
That was a really long read but well worth it! Good job DB!
I'll have to take a look into the albums listed. Do you think you could make a list for easy reference DB?
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 21:01
progismylife wrote:
That was a really long read but well worth it! Good job DB!
I'll have to take a look into the albums listed. Do you think you could make a list for easy reference DB?
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or you could just head off here:
http://www.tuoblog.it/sdtc/13542/GR.html - http://www.tuoblog.it/sdtc/13542/GR.html
C&P DB..
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 21:03
Tony R wrote:
progismylife wrote:
That was a really long read but well worth it! Good job DB!
I'll have to take a look into the albums listed. Do you think you could make a list for easy reference DB?
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or you could just head off here:
http://www.tuoblog.it/sdtc/13542/GR.html - http://www.tuoblog.it/sdtc/13542/GR.html
C&P DB.. |
I take back my clappie then if it was just C&P.
List of albums from site: AKRITAS / Akritas (1974) APHRODITE'S CHILD / 666 (1972) AXIS / Axis (1972) IRAKLIS / Se Allous Kosmous (1976) PELOMA BOKIOU / Peloma Bokiou (1972) DHMHTRHS POULIKAKOS / Metaforai Ekdromai - O Mitsos (1976) DIONYSHS SAVVOPOULOS / Ballos (1971) Vromiko Psomi / Rezerva (1979) PAVLOS SIDHROPOULOS & SPYRIDOULA / Flou (1979) SOCRATES (drank the conium) / Socrates Drank The Conium (1972) / Taste Of Conium (1973) / On The Wings (1974) / Phos (1976) KOSTAS TOURNAS / Aperanta Chorafia (1972) VANGELIS / Earth (1973)
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 21:12
well done, Tone!
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 21:27
Always cite your sources DB, please...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 04:08
interesting article you found there DB... agree with Tony there.. I sure you wouldn't want people thinking you wrote that yourself would you
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 06:54
Tony R wrote:
Always cite your sources DB, please... |
used to do that but stopped didnt seem to matter, thought most knew I was using sources. this thread was started 6 months ago, I have been updated lately by easy livin to use source, understand the liability, no problem.
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Posted By: annexusquam
Date Posted: April 25 2007 at 06:11
if u want to listen to an unbelievable band from greece search for Purple Overdose (pure psychedelia, completely trippy)
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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: April 25 2007 at 06:31
There are a lot of bands missing (which are clealy prog, not borderline) from the more, shall I say, perypheral countries, like Greece, Portugal, or Eastern Europe. Italy had such a problem, before our relentless Italian members stepped in and solved the problem.
Members with an interest in prog should have some notion of their own country's production, and If possible, try and share it with others.
In my case, I submited 3 portuguese bands early this year. I still haven't got any feedback from the admission team, though...
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Posted By: Hyperborea
Date Posted: April 25 2007 at 19:18
Am i delerious, or is/was there a prog band from Greece called Will O' The Wisp, i've got my hands on 2 of their albums, but can't remember their names at this present time.
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Posted By: oracus
Date Posted: April 26 2007 at 05:05
Yes, Will o the Wisp is a Greek prog band.. really good one.
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: April 27 2007 at 22:21
axis(s/t 73), socrates(phos) and akritas(s/t) are a good entry point for classic greek prog! they were very good despite the political climate of the time! typically superior to most of the eastern euro output in the early to mid 70's.
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Posted By: DarioIndjic
Date Posted: April 27 2007 at 22:39
Anyone heard about Plj Band from Greece ???Psychedelic prog from 82 i never heard it but i read positive reviews about it.
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Posted By: Angeldust
Date Posted: April 28 2007 at 13:01
This is shocking.Socrates didn't get the recognition they deserved but aphrodite's child did.So did vangelis.
Will o the wisp rule and they do a fantastic job.Try Tidal Flood and Purple overdose.
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Posted By: DarioIndjic
Date Posted: April 28 2007 at 22:21
Angeldust,which Purple Overdose album is their best ?
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Posted By: Angeldust
Date Posted: April 29 2007 at 13:42
Try the salmon's trip & reborn.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 29 2007 at 17:12
Just an addition DB, Anargyros "Silver" Kolouris was a founder of Aphrodite's Child in 1968, the problem is that before the release of their first album (After some recording sessions) he was called tro do Military Service back in Greece and only released back to civil life for the recording of 666 in 1970'.
As you mention, the album was ready in 1970 but no label had the guts to release a red album with a big 666 (Boycott by radical sectors was announced) specially because they wrote "This album was recoded under the influence of Sahlep" all the fundamentalists had a feast they said that Sahlep was a drug and others that it was an ancient Greek demon, but the reality was that it was only a non alcoholic beverage very common in Turkey.
Of course the song Infinity (Symbol) didn't helped, Irene Pappas had a several minutes fake orgasm in that track in reference to the Babylon Whore mentioned in the Book of Revelations.
Nice list BTW
Iván
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: May 26 2007 at 17:33
^^ Not only in Turkey, apparently in Greece as well
(you should've quoted me, Ivan, I remember explaining the "non-alcohol" thing to you! Nevertheless, thanks anyway for bringing the subject up and at least mentioning my country )
As for Irene Papas' "fake orgasm" thing: though your explanation also makes sense, the "official" info is a bit different:
"Infinite": Giorgio Gomelsky brought John Forst the Narrator, because Costas Ferris asked him somebody speaking with very heavy British accent, and very cold blooded, to make the contrast with the final hysteria. In the initial book (to be represented as a big circus show) the Narrator was supposed to get into hysteria, and he was supposed to perform "I was, I am, I am to come". But Irene came in, and she did it in this extraordinary improvisation. The words are: "I was, I am, I am to come". It is the inversion of "Who was, is, is to come" of the Revelation, attributed to the Good. Here, the "Bad", (the Beast, 666) turns this phrase inte Ego, (first person), and tries to be born again, or to give birth to another Ego, or to "make love" to is own self and so on. Vicious circle. The percussion in "infinite", is Vangelis, improvising together with Irene. In fact she started reccording "a capella", and during that they had the idea, Vangelis took in hand some metal things and a shirt, and went in the studio. The whole recording (before cutting) of "infinite", was 39 minutes!!!!!
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(taken from http://www.engelen.demon.nl/666story.htm - http://www.engelen.demon.nl/666story.htm ) also includes very interesting other trivia about the album (as well as the Sahlep thing )...
anyway, I'm actually here to inquire about Socrates... as far as I can see, it is a heavy rock/ psyche band which eventually turned into prog, apparently by a big hand from the big V... I had superficially listened their self-titled album before, and today I DL'ed other two appreciated albums, including Phos with Vangelis' contribution... Who do you think should deal with this band? I mean, should I appeal to Art-Rock team first, or should I bring it up in my own team's thread?
------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 26 2007 at 18:33
No Bilek, you only told me it was non alcoholic LOL
But the Sahlep we had in the university days while studying was very loaded with alcohol and we drank it a friends house who's parents were from Turkey.
BTW: The interpretations on 666 are as many as possible explanations you can find about the Book of Revelations.
Iván
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: May 27 2007 at 09:21
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
No Bilek, you only told me it was non alcoholic LOL
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I was talking exactly about that ...
And I heard sahlep could be prepared with alcohol only from you... (including one of your previous posts about an Arabic guy who sold it that way...) people are obviously eager to make new inventions on booze
btw, I forgot last time, but Eirene Papas (the "screamer" on Infinity...) is well known in Turkey for her performance in Moustapha Aqad's groundbreking movie on life of the Islam prophet, The Message! She acted as "Hind", wife of Abou Soufyan, who was Prophet Mohammad's uncle, and both were portrayed as the major villains in the movie! (e.g., Hind was responsible for the slaughter of Hamza, another uncle of Mohammad, and his greatest supporter during his lifetime... The problem is, Mohammad's severer adversaries had not been protrayed in the movie at all... ) More interestingly, both Soufyan and Hind ended up converting to Islam after the conquest of Mecca by Muslims, an interesting event which wasn't included in the movie! Having seen the film at least 20 times (it is aired at least once every Ramadan here!) my first impression about the "Infinity" track was very mixed ..
------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 27 2007 at 11:54
Bilek wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
No Bilek, you only told me it was non alcoholic LOL
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I was talking exactly about that ...
And I heard sahlep could be prepared with alcohol only from you... (including one of your previous posts about an Arabic guy who sold it that way...) people are obviously eager to make new inventions on booze
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Yes Bilek, people prepare strange things and add liquorto tea or cofee too, even when they are non alcoholic beveages.
In Perú there's a latge Arab colony, but most of them are catholic Peruvians that keep part of their ancesters inheritance and created a creole culture.
Here you can eat Arab rice, buy Arab bread (ggod for diet) anywhere or have a Sahlep with some booze, this guy told us that's the way his father drank it and I believed him, that's why as soon as you ytold me Sahlep was essentially non alcoholic I corrected it.
But believe me the sahlep with a bit of liquor tastes good and helps you keep awaken in long study sessions.
Iván
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Posted By: cacha71
Date Posted: November 24 2007 at 12:14
Excellent!!!! I was so glad to read this thread. I must admit that despite living in Greece I am not familiar with all the artists mentioned but I can certainly recommend PELOMA BOKIOU, DIONYSIS SAVVOPOULOS and SOCRATIS DRUNK THE CONIUM. Check out Savvopoulos's "Mavri Thalassa" on the album "Vromiko Psomi"
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