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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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What is happening in Jerusalem? This is the analysis of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD), founded by the American-born pacifist Jew Jeff Halper, who has been involved in rebuilding Palestinian homes for many years with a nonviolent group of people who unite Jews and Palestinians. 11th May 2021 ICAHD CALLS FOR THE IMMEDIATE END TO ALL HOUSE DEMOLITIONS, EVICTIONS AND DISCRIMINATORY PLANNING. LET OUR VOICES BE HEARD BY THE PEOPLE AND BY GOVERNMENTS! For the past several weeks, Israel’s police and paramilitaries, together with violent settlement groups, have escalated their brutal attacks against Palestinians in Jerusalem. Specifically targeted are the residents of Sheikh Jarrah, who face imminent eviction by Israeli settlers, and Ramadan worshippers at the al-Aqsa Mosque and around the Old City. These localized attacks have further escalated into an all-out military campaign against Gaza, totally besieged since 2006 but unwilling to abandon their brethren in Jerusalem. This particular round of low-intensity warfare occurs at Ramadan, in which thousands of Muslims converge on Jerusalem. There, the Israeli police violently harass them, demonstrating total Israeli control through sheer force. Bad enough in itself, this tense period collides with the triumphalist celebrations of Israel’s Independence Day and Jerusalem Day, an official “holiday” in which thousands of religious-nationalist settlers come to assert the “Jewishness” of the city. A major component of these “celebrations” is humiliating Jerusalem’s Palestinian inhabitants by marching with large Israeli flags and drums through their Old City quarters, yelling out patriotic songs. These are not merely “clashes” between “sides” in a symmetrical “conflict” between two peoples. They are rather actions of conquest, political repression and dispossession on the part of Jewish Israelis met with defiant Palestinian reaction. Zionism, a settler colonial movement of the late 19th century, had a clear and explicit agenda: in the language of the Zionist movement, to Judaize Palestine, to turn an Arab land into a Jewish one; in short, to “cleanse” the country ethnically. At the heart of this project was displacement. Jewish settlers could only assert their exclusive claims of entitlement to the country by driving the indigenous population off the land and taking demographic as well as political control. Ethnic cleansing remains the single-minded preoccupation of modern Israel. It lies at the heart of the attacks and resistance protests in Sheikh Jarrah and the al-Aqsa mosque, as well as in the continued resistance of the people of West Bank, Gaza and even, it appears, Palestinian citizens of Israel who still find themselves displaced and without equal rights. The process of mass displacement of Palestinians is evident from the figures. During and after the 1948 Nakba – what Palestinians refer to as “the Catastrophe” and Israelis’ their “War of Independence” – the Israeli military demolished some 52,000 homes, more than 530 entire villages, towns and urban areas. Not in the heat of battle, but systematically, in order to take the land and prevent the refugees from returning. Eighty-five percent of the Palestinians living in what became Israel, 750,000 people, became refugees – now numbering seven million and still unable to return home. In the 1967 war, Israel completed its military take-over of Palestine, conquering the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza, resuming the forced displacement of Palestinians. Between 1967-2021, the Israeli authorities demolished more than 55,000 homes, farm structures, businesses, community centers, schools and mosques. Thousands of homes and structures continue to be demolished inside Israel today. The Negev/Nakab Bedouin community of al-Araqib has been demolished and rebuilt by its inhabitants 186 times! In Jerusalem, ethnic cleansing takes other forms. The Israeli government has built dozens of massive new settlement/neighborhoods throughout and around East Jerusalem, isolating the Palestinian population into small and disconnected enclaves to ensure demographic and physical control. Intentionally inducing a shortage of 25,000 housing units in the Palestinian sector, the Jerusalem Municipality grants virtually no building permits for Palestinian housing, while demolishing up to 200 homes a year. Thirty thousand Palestinian homes have received demolition orders. In these “invisible” ways planning is used as a tool of displacement and Judaization. Evictions of Palestinians from their homes constitutes another form of mass displacement in Jerusalem. Well-funded settler associations, backed by the Israeli courts, police and government, are taking over established Palestinian neighborhoods: Silwan, now renamed “the City of David” by the Israelis; Sheikh Jarrah, now known officially as “Simon the Just” after an ancient rabbi; Ras el-Amud, Jabal Mukaber, the Old City itself, and others. In virtually all neighborhoods in the historic center of Jerusalem, Palestinian families face violent expulsion from their homes as settlers use their considerable funds and legal channels to dispossess them. Forced displacement, however it is done, is a crime against humanity in international law. This is the background to the violent clashes in Sheikh Jarrah, where the last Palestinian families face imminent eviction and replacement by settlers. Palestinian resistance in all its forms will not, cannot, end until Israel’s policy of displacement and ethnic cleansing ceases. As long as governments continue to support Israel no matter what, as long as Israel need not fear any significant sanctions, it will have no motivation to alter its historic goal of Judaizing Palestine, with all the violence, human rights abuses and violations of international law that entails. We the people of the world are the Palestinians' only ally. We need to make our voices heard in the corridors of power. We repeat:
ICAHD CALLS FOR THE IMMEDIATE END TO ALL HOUSE DEMOLITIONS, EVICTIONS AND DISCRIMINATORY PLANNING. LET OUR VOICES BE HEARD BY THE PEOPLE AND BY GOVERNMENTS!
For further information contact: The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions https://icahd.org/2021/05/11/125-years-of-displacement-an-icahd-statement-on-the-israeli-assault-on-occupied-palestine/ |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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Sagichim ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 29 2006 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 6632 |
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Sounds like the same old bullsh*t and twisting of reality by Roger Waters and co.
" in the language of the Zionist movement, to Judaize Palestine, to turn an Arab land into a Jewish one; in short, to “cleanse” the country ethnically." This is really amazing, 2000 years of dispute and this guy got it all figured out, like this case can be settled in court ruling in favour of one of the sides. Of course if your premise is this than it's easy to see what's going on in Jerusalem this way. Sadly because of people like this idiot, who posts lies and the twisting of reality these past few days palestinians have now thrown decades of coexistence in mixed cities like Jaffa and Ako by savage rampage including beating of civilians, arsoning of synagogues, houses, cars and whatever, something that had never happened here in this scale...ever. Of course Israeli civilians don't stand in silent and the situation is very bad. Israeli leaders calls their public to stop these riots while not a word from Arab leaders (in the same governmnt). P.S - Jamesbaldwin if you post something like this always try and look for the other side too, there's two sides to the story you know, and in this case there's ten. |
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737 |
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There is twisting of reality on more than one side, too.
I side with Palestine. |
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Sagichim ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 29 2006 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 6632 |
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Yes but not in this scale. Not even close. Edited by Sagichim - May 13 2021 at 07:18 |
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737 |
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Agreed. Which is why I side with Palestine. |
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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Jeff Halper, the founder of Icahd, is a Jew born in the States in 1946, and at the age of twenty he marched with Martin Luther King for the civil rights of African Americans. He is a nonviolent activist who as a young man, following a reflux of returning to his roots, decided to emigrate to Israel. He discovered with his own eyes that after 1967 a savage colonization of the occupied territories and the practice of demolishing houses in the Greater Jerusalem area began. And since then he has gradually realized that it was an ethnic cleansing, in fact East Jerusalem is already with a Jewish majority and the goal is to reduce the Palestinians to a narrow minority. Jeff Halper is an anthropologist who has been to every piece of land of the Israeli settlement area for the last 30 years, and he produces maps to explain how Palestinian land is colonized each year. He went to jail several times for defending Palestinian homes from demolition. For years he has been traveling the world showing maps of Israeli colonization (I saw him in Italy 10 years ago). In all of this, he obviously hasn't earned anything, on a personal level, he hasn't earned a dollar, and he is disliked by many Israeli Jews and most of the people who defends Israel precisely because he tells the truth he has in front of him, so I think he deserves respect, I think that he knows a lot more than you do, and so I think you said idiot to the wrong person. I advise you to write to Icahd, if you have any doubts about his claims, instead of accusing him of telling lies to someone who knows every inch of land in the greater Jerusalem area. Then the conclusions he has reached about Zionism (they are opinions), one can argue, but the facts are facts and the problem in the West (Europe and America) is that people don't want to know the truth. |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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Regardless of the current sides of this old problem, it's time for a Palestinian State and be done with it.
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Sagichim ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 29 2006 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 6632 |
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The fact that he’s been living here for years doesn’t make him right, I’ve been living in Jerusalem for all my life, you don’t know me so don’t tell me he knows better. You can find A lot of Jerusalem natives including professors and journalists who cover this dispute for their entire professional career and they disagree between them, all have valid claims about every matter and it’s up to you to form your own views but you have to get to the bottom of every side. I have a lot of criticism to the government and I even have never voted for Netanyahu but I’m fair enough to say when we were wrong. The ones who completely favour one side without having any criticism clearly like this guy they are the ones who doesn’t want to see the truth. I know that there are places where Arabs were driven out but believe me there are many places where Jews were driven out too.
My problem is that every dispute turns to a valid excuse for violence and murder by the Arab side. |
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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Yes, you're both war-like people that can't get along and never will, but it's time to do something that the rest of the world sees as the right thing to do.
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I hope to see that some time in my lifetime. |
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If the right amount of Western countries get on board, it can happen. But the process needs to be started. Only by countries not backing Israel financially and politically can it be possible. If not, then it's simply not possible.
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I really appreciate your fairness here, like I always do when you make a political comment. But with leaders like Netanyahu in Israel, I'm not sure a Palestinian State would be a good idea. It might result in far bloodier "power clashes". Same is in my country, where lots of Kurds wish for attaining their own country: Kurdistan. Our Erdoğan is no better than Netanyahu, so I don't think we would live in peace with a prospective Kurdistan in the short term. ![]() I know that LOTS OF people despise Netanyahu in Israel, as is the case about Erdoğan in Turkey... Also, irregardless of whether one is religious or an atheist; this ongoing problem between Muslims and Jews is unfortunately affecting us all. You know? There are lots of "cultural Christians" in Europe and America. Same is for the Muslims, probably in all Muslim countries. I, unfortunately, fail to see a solution to this problem in the short term. I still can wish for a miracle... Hey, I'm an anarchist, but am not that delusional for expecting such an order to happen in 7 days, like how God created the Earth. ![]() Lots of Palestinians are dying, and lots of Israeli people are living in fear... So sad... I hope there's something we can do about it. Thanks, Steve. ![]() Edited by Shadowyzard - May 13 2021 at 11:05 |
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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While there are large and visible muslim Arab communities in Israel, there are no Jewish communities left anywhere in the Arab World. 60 years ago there were 30,000 Moroccan Jews (today 2100) , Iraq went from 100,000 to 3 (yes, 3 people) , Algeria 130,000 to 90 etc... you get the idea. 60% went to Israel , the rest went to the "West". Perhaps if these at times forced migrations had not happened in the last 75 years, the situation may have been different. Try walking in Cairo, Baghdad, Algiers, Tripoli, Aden, Beirut etc... wearing a skullcap and see how long you live.
Oddly, many of the formerly 80,000-strong Iranian Jewish community had left Iran by 1978. Subsequently, more than 80% of the remaining Iranian Jews fled or migrated from the country between 1979 and 2006. A small Jewish community of almost 10,000 still resides in Iran as a protected minority.
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Shadowyzard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 24 2020 Location: Davutlar Status: Offline Points: 4506 |
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There's nothing "odd" there. Do you know what happened in Iran in 1979? So, things (like revolutions) don't "just" happen out of nothing. The problem is... a group of people "see/saw" themselves as the "chosen ones", and another larger group think/thought that the "chosen ones" are damned, and "Allah" granted them superiority over the damned ones. This is as blunt and to the point as I can be. ![]() I really don't like discussing religions and faiths, but felt like I have to make where the problems began clear. |
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Oddly, in that Iranians are not Arabs and that Iranian Jews are Iranian. Just like Turks are not Arabs either. And I do know what happened in 1979, thank you. Its not just religion question but being different enough to be viewed with suspicion, as outsiders or not enough like the majority.
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Shadowyzard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 24 2020 Location: Davutlar Status: Offline Points: 4506 |
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In 1979, there happened an Islamic revolution. So, it is not odd at all. Not even close. Oh, you also can talk about how the "West" treated the Jews in the past. I'd be happy to read your "post", as befitting your signature here. It really would be good for me, as I don't have a better knowledge on this more than a regular person. Edited by Shadowyzard - May 13 2021 at 12:56 |
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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The ODD part is not the 1979 Revolution, but the second part of the sentence which you have not adressed in your cut and paste: That today, TODAY, there is a PROTECTED minority community 10,000 strong in Iran. Just like in Turkey where the same status applies , I believe. That is the ODD part.
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Shadowyzard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 24 2020 Location: Davutlar Status: Offline Points: 4506 |
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Thomas; sorry, but I still understand "the odd part" you're referring to differently from your related post.
Though, if you had meant the 10.000 part with that, it is fair enough. I can understand it, being the notorious "misunderstood guy" here. ![]() ![]() |
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Being a historian , I am always stunned to read facts that generally go against popular beliefs, which was the gist of my comment. So much to discover still. BTW, did you know that David Ben-Gurion (first PM of Israel) studied at the University of Istanbul? The list of famous Turkish Jews is quite impressive by the way (such as one of the founders of the Young Turks !) .
As far as being misunderstood, you are the resident anarchist , what do you expect
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Shadowyzard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 24 2020 Location: Davutlar Status: Offline Points: 4506 |
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Well, thank you. I'm not very knowledgeable on history. Perhaps our education system (or the lack thereof) is responsible for that. On a second thought, my brother is very knowledgeable about and interested in history. Perhaps I should blame myself. ![]() |
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