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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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That the full title of this thread should read:
Europeans' Opinions on UK's EU Membership Referendum ...but that was too many characters for a thread title Please note that there is a Brexit¹ poll for UK people to rant about whether to Remain or Leave and frankly, I couldn't care less about the knee-jerk thoughts of people who are actually entitled to vote in this referendum. If I wanted to join that debate I would have back in March - I didn't then and I don't now. That is not the purpose of this thread, there is sufficient debate (happening on Facebook and elsewhere) from both sides in the UK that has thrown up so many half-truths, idle speculation, unsubstantiated guessing and outright fibs if I hear another I'll probably puke. So, I would like to hear the thoughts of the European members of this site about whether the UK should remain in the EU or whether it should go. Of course that will no doubt involve your personal thoughts on the EU in general and whether your own country should remain or leave if it is itself an EU member, or join or not if it currently isn't. However, that is not the question I am asking. I'm not that interested in whether you personally think the EU is a good thing or the worst idea in the history of the world. A country leaving the EU is unprecedented and has never happened before and it is not without consequences and repercussions. Here are a few of the questions that are running around in my head over this...
[Non-Europeans can chime-in if they wish but really that's a whole different topic] ¹Personally I object to the use of "Brexit" in that poll's title as this referendum is not called The Britain Exit of the EU Referendum anymore than it is called the Britain Remain in the EU Referendum. Brexit is merely the name given to those campaigning to leave the EU. Edited by Dean - June 10 2016 at 07:53 |
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17298 |
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Answer to #13: One can dream.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Vompatti ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 22 2005 Location: elsewhere Status: Offline Points: 67451 |
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I hope you make the right decision and get out before the EU completely collapses, and I hope that that will speed up the process for the rest of us.
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someone_else ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24636 |
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My thoughts as well. A Brexit is to prefer above a Bremain and I hope that the Netherlands and 26 other countries will follow soon after. Answer to #4: A united Europe is not possible at all. Not as a superstate anyway. Throughout history peoples always wanted to govern their own affairs. Answer to #6: The greatest risk for Europe's stability may be an EU that dose not collapse. Answer to #18: They may try to do so. Don't expect Junck and his gang to applaud.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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I'm not European.
But what the hell now that I'm 'Murican I can meddle into the problems of any part of the globe and bring you some freedom if you complain... ![]()
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infocat ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 10 2011 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 4671 |
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What is this "Europe" you speak of?
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Flight123 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 01 2010 Location: Sohar, Oman Status: Offline Points: 1399 |
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I want us to remain in Europe, for many, many reasons. The debate has got venomous here and I am of the opinion that there should not be a referendum. The hatred appeared to overspill yesterday with the tragic murder of Jo Cox - and it has got to stop. I am still in shock.
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
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I seriously question whether I, or any civilian for that matter, have enough information to actually care one way or the other. The EU climate in Europe, and Denmark, is plagued with far too much unnecessary sh*te that it becomes increasingly difficult to take a stance one way or the other.
I am a firm believer of nations working together, but I fear that the actual glue that EU binds us all together with sadly amounts to the foulest of bureaucracies. Things that took a week to decide in the old days now take years. As a fan of music, art and litterature one could hope for a European meltdown. History has time and again proven that adversity spawns greatness in those aforementioned areas ![]() As for Britain leaving the EU? Maybe it's a healthy thing, I'm not sure, but at the very least it'll lead to a much needed debate in other countries, where we hopefully could address some of the more fundamental reasons for politically driven collaborations between nations. |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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John Oliver is a European so I'll put his opinion here. Also, he's the best thing to have come to the US from Britain in the last century
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
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After having discussed this matter further with my good friend Davy (UK citizen) I have come to the conclusion that I'd prefer Britain to remain in the EU. For all it's flaws and infinite amount of red tape, EU still stands for something more (whatever that may be), and I fear the consequences of leaving far outweigh the negatives of staying.
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someone_else ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24636 |
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The full list of answers that fit my humble opinion best:
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ClemofNazareth ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Folk Researcher Joined: August 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4659 |
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Good luck to our British members on your referendum tomorrow. Best wishes whichever way the vote turns out.
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34083 |
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as a non-Eu member, but European , we still follow lot of the EU laws and regulations ass part of EEF (ETA?)
SO even if we are not in EU we sort of is, accidentaly |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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If UKIP wins, You keep that sh*t.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Understandably the "Norway Option" has received a fair bit of press coverage over here. It seems that you pay around £100 per person a year to not be a member, which coincidentally is pretty much what each Brit pays to be a fully-paid up member. Of course the real maths wouldn't work out quite like for many reasons too boring to go into.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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A case of "taxation without representation" if there has ever been one....
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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No kidding there, UKIP and the Tea Party are equally nasty. Now, if only we could ship Nigel out to Alaska....
What you also have is a "Boris": ![]() ...and since our Boris was born in New York you're welcome to him too. Edited by Dean - June 22 2016 at 11:06 |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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...technically there wasn't before
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Oh don't bring Tea Parties here... I'm no Tea party fan. Damn, I don't even like T parties too much...
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