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Topic: Why was early Floyd not embraced by America? Posted: July 28 2015 at 09:41 |
Most Americans did not even know that Pink Floyd existed prior to the release of Dark Side of the Moon. But in the wake of DSotM, in an effort to play catch up, ignored albums like Atom Heart Mother, Piper..., Meddle and Relics were gobbled up, and soon after, quickly ignored again. Why didn't the American public ever warm up to early Pink Floyd?
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 09:54 |
There's an almost archetypical British aura surrounding those records that may have flown over their heads. Especially the debut.
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 10:45 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
There's an almost archetypical British aura surrounding those records that may have flown over their heads. Especially the debut. | This, in spades. There was a world of difference between American psychedelia and English.
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 10:51 |
Maybe because their first American tour was a disaster with Syd Barrett starting to unravel. There were people who embraced the band and their music before Dark side. I doubt it had anything to do with them being to English for America.
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 12:14 |
lazland wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
There's an almost archetypical British aura surrounding those records that may have flown over their heads. Especially the debut. |
This, in spades. There was a world of difference between American psychedelia and English. |
I'm quite familiar with the stylistic differences between American psych rock and that of the British. The trippy melodic studio enhanced psych rock of British artists that was started by the Revolver/ Sgt. Pepper's era Beatles, was indeed embraced by Americans. That doesn't answer for the lack of appreciation for Floyd's material.
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 12:18 |
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There's an almost archetypical British aura surrounding those records that may have flown over their heads. Especially the debut. |
Weren't most of the British progressive rock groups perceived that way in the US back then, though? I think Genesis and Jethro Tull are at least as acutely British just for starters.
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 12:22 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
There's an almost archetypical British aura surrounding those records that may have flown over their heads. Especially the debut. |
Weren't most of the British progressive rock groups perceived that way in the US back then, though? I think Genesis and Jethro Tull are at least as acutely British just for starters.
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Tull, at least, was better received before Aqualung, and people loved the Living In The Past compilation that came out soon after Aqualung, and many still do. Unlike earlier Floyd albums that were bought after DSotM.
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 12:32 |
Which is weird because I think JT are like the most distinctly British of that entire bunch, what with the folk elements being to the forefront. They don't have that entire academic art school attitude as characterized the progressive rock movement, though... in terms of "ideology" they're closer to Fairport Convention and their ilk.
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 12:36 |
^This is pretty easy. Because Tull was an early blues rock band, they toured with similar blues based or hard rock groups in the US in the late sixties/early seventies and were able to get a leg up on everyone. They were not seen as quintessentially British until later in their career.
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 12:40 |
Yeah, at some point they toured with the MC5. As in, the band that's basically the missing link between hippie and punk cultures.
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 12:47 |
Yes, but mismatched band pairings were also notorious in that era too. Hendrix and the Monkeys being the most well known!
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 12:53 |
The band's increasing drawing upon British cultural history in their entire aesthetic was, according to Ian Anderson, also a reaction against the culture shock he felt when touring in the US.
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 12:56 |
Yes, something made a lot of these bands ramp up their 'Englishness'. My brother swears it was their love of Monty Python's Flying Circus!
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 12:59 |
Slightly off-topic, I also remember reading an interview with either Uli Jon Roth or Michael Schenker - probably the former - saying that the reason he started incorporating more classical influence in his guitar playing was that he wanted to make rock music that was distinctly Continental European.
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 13:03 |
Yes, I've always felt that there was a 'continental' music vibe either deliberately or subconsciously added to the music of many European bands from Rainbow to Focus. It's in their DNA, for lack of a better explanation.
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 14:49 |
The oft cited reason why British bands fail to break America is simply that they don't put the necessary amount of work into it. Music promotion was (and still is) mainly by word-of-mouth, you can run all the adverts in the trade papers you like, it is the grass-roots following of the fans that builds and supports a band's career.
In the 1960s in the UK, with only one national radio station and two TV stations and no local or regional TV and radio, building up a grass-roots following through touring was relatively simple. You toured your arse off playing every toilet and dive in every town until you got signed and released a record; you then plugged that on the radio, did Top Of The Pops and toured your arse off again but now in slightly more salubrious venues.
With 100 times the geographic area of the UK for only 5 times the population and far more TV and radio stations, America is harder to apply that approach to, especially when you are only touring for perhaps one or two months in any given year. Brit bands that make it big in the USA often do so by relocating out there full time.
There is little doubt that the disaster of the 1967 American tour where so many dates were cancelled at first due to lack of work-permits and then through Syd's erratic behaviour soured Floyd's view of America and the American promoters view of Floyd, so they did a brief tour in 1968 and didn't play there at all in 1969.
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 15:10 |
Just like the 13th Floor Elevators' obscurity outside the Southwestern United States is in large part a result of Roky Erickson's mental health issues forcing the break-up of the band just as they started getting big. I think he left during the recording of their third LP, and at some point they had to get a cover band to do the rest of a tour they couldn't continue.
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 15:15 |
^Yes, both were pretty acid toasted, but the Elevators' You're Gonna Miss Me would have been much more accessible to US audiences than Floyds' Arnold Lane, I would think.
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 15:18 |
Different countries have different cultures? That's unpossible!
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Posted: July 28 2015 at 15:24 |
^Americans like offbeat stuff too, but Arnold Lane was just way, way too offbeat. Rock and Roll by Gary Glitter was a big US hit and very off beat. And quite 'English', I should add.
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