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hellogoodbye
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 06:12 |
"Islands" is a gem
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Zargasheth
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 13:05 |
The Larks'-Starless-Red and Discipline-Beat-TOAPP incarnations already mark King Crimson as one of my favorite bands of all time. (The other one is Gentle Giant.) But having heard In The Court of the Crimson King, THRAK, and The Power to Believe, those versions of the band are also excellent (although I've never really thought their first album lives up to the hype).
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DiamondDog
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 16:36 |
You're very welcome to your opinion (of course!), but there is no way it was a hype. And in MY opinion, Fripp never reached anything like those heights again. A band made up of elements, not just one shining light, and that band burned bright but much too briefly.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 16:58 |
My third or second favorite band ever, just fighting over the second spot with The Beatles. The Beatles were (and probably are) one of the most influential acts and were my first musical love, but the Crims have enough powerful material in their catalogue to best The Fab Four.
What else really needs to be said? I find (as some of you have already noticed) "Starless and Bible Black" to be their best album because you don't usually get a lot of poignant (in an ambient way) stuff from this band, but this album has two-three such moments. This band was perfectly capable of laying down aggression and desperation on its records. SABB has it all.
Well, just read my reviews. The Crims will never die.
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The Mystical
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 18:06 |
Just bought "In the Court of the Crimson King" on 200g vinyl, brand new and fully remastered!!!!!! I can't recommend it enough...
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resurrection
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Posted: July 01 2012 at 13:30 |
There is only one Crimson album - the first. The rest are Fripp and friends. Always worth a listen, but not the same thing as THAT band.
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darkshade
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Posted: July 01 2012 at 14:35 |
resurrection wrote:
There is only one Crimson album - the first. The rest are Fripp and friends. |
What about the second album?
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HackettFan
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Posted: July 01 2012 at 16:25 |
It's strange how influential an album In the Court of the Crimson King is and yet at the same time how dated the style sounds. The first time I listened to it in the 1980s, I just didn't get it. I new how seminal an album it was supposed to be before I bought it, and could hear the musicianship immediately when I played it, but the strength of it's influence was a mystery to me. I've come to the view that the way one is able to appreciate the album in latter times is not the same as the way one is able to appreciate it when it first came out.
OK I appreciate it more now after live performances of In the Court by Steve Hackett with Wetton and McDonald and later by Greg Lake. But I still find it hard to imagine the magical experience that others claim (including Steve Hackett) In the Wake of Poseidon is strangely derivative of the first album with a Twilight Zone kind of deja vous. I listened to Island and Lizard once each and didn't like them. I promise I will give them another listen.
Lark's Tongue in Aspic is absolutely magnificent. If that album was released 1969, I think the influence of Crimson would have been even greater. Starless and Bible Black is also one of my favorites. I never cared for the stripped down sound of Red although there are still some good things on it.
Discipline is as good as Lark's Tongue to me. Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair are too commercial for me.
Thrak and other more recent works were nice I thought. At a time in the nineties when Grunge artists were doing dissonance intuitively, Crimson actually almost fit in in a way, I thought.
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Horizons
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Posted: July 01 2012 at 16:45 |
resurrection wrote:
There is only one Crimson album - the first. The rest are Fripp and friends. Always worth a listen, but not the same thing as THAT band. |
Oh yawn. Their debut isn't even in my Top 5. Guess you feel the same about Genesis.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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peskypesky
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Posted: July 01 2012 at 17:42 |
i'm psyched to see Belew, Levin and Mastelotto in a few weeks. :)
Edited by peskypesky - July 01 2012 at 17:45
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resurrection
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 13:31 |
Horizons wrote:
resurrection wrote:
There is only one Crimson album - the first. The rest are Fripp and friends. Always worth a listen, but not the same thing as THAT band. |
Oh yawn. Their debut isn't even in my Top 5. Guess you feel the same about Genesis. |
Yawn to you too, but then again, we are all entitled to our own likes and dislikes. Not quite the same problem with Genesis, the band held together a little longer than Crimson - but then, so did everybody else.
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resurrection
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 13:37 |
darkshade wrote:
resurrection wrote:
There is only one Crimson album - the first. The rest are Fripp and friends. |
What about the second album?
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A fair question, given that many ( but crucially not all) of the original band members contributed. Sadly, the fragmentation of the original band shows itself in the music, the concept and ethos of King Crimson had already dissipated.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 14:28 |
King Crimson is one of my favorite bands, but there always seems to be a few bad tracks on each album. Moonchild on ITCOTCK (it's good, but not nearly as good as the others), Peace on ITWOP, Happy Family and Lizard on Lizard (Lizard is great, but it seems a little off), everything save Islands on Islands, the vocal pieces on Larks', We'll let You Know and the title track on SABB, Fallen Angel on Red, Matte Kudasai on Dicipline, The Howler and the Waiting Man on Beat, and Dig Me and No Warning on Three of a Perfect Pair. I guess I'm just being picky, but every album just seems inconsistant.
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Horizons
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 14:40 |
With that list, i'm not sure how they can be one of your favorite bands.
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geneyesontle
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 14:49 |
What I love about Crimson is that they always reinvent themselves to the music of the time without being bad. My favorites are still in the first period of KC. These are ItCotCK, Lizard, LTiA and Red.
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Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb
- Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle
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Smurph
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 15:27 |
King Crimson has never had an album where every song made me go "WOW" the whole time. But seriously they make me say "wow" a lot more than most bands.
Red is awesome :-D
And shoot, they're one of the only bands other than Rush that kept it going in the 80's and kept their proginess intact. Mad respect to the fripp.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 15:42 |
Horizons wrote:
With that list, i'm not sure how they can be one of your favorite bands. |
All the pieces i didn't list i absolutly love. And I love how inventive and eclectic they are. Those are just a dosen or so songs that don't fit in, IMO.
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Earthmover
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 17:08 |
I'm absolutely in love with Crimson, and I love everything they've done. But my album rankings seem to be a little off.
I prefer Lizard and Islands over ItCotCK and ItWoP; Even if 70s stuff is my favorite, I LOVE everything they've done since Discipline (although I still haven't heard Power to Believe, but I will, soon).
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Fox On The Rocks
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 20:25 |
smartpatrol wrote:
King Crimson is one of my favorite bands, but there always seems to be a few bad tracks on each album. Moonchild on ITCOTCK (it's good, but not nearly as good as the others), Peace on ITWOP, everything save Islands on Islands, the vocal pieces on Larks', Fallen Angel on Red, Matte Kudasai on Dicipline, Waiting Man on Beat, and Dig Me and No Warning on Three of a Perfect Pair. I guess I'm just being picky, but every album just seems inconsistant. |
Wow, really Andrew? Essential KC right in there. Regardless of you opinion of Moonchild, you really have to appreciate them for doing something like that back in 69 though. Not even The Waiting Man? That groove is amazing!
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Argonaught
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 21:52 |
Yep, In the Court of the Crimson King is overrated - no matter how you look at it.
I would have to muster a lot of audacity to try and define what the true cornerstone of the "Temple of Holy Prog" be, but I do feel that all the "fantastically groundbreaking" stuff of itCotCK had already been pre-groundbroken by the Beatles in their revolutionary 1967-1968 output.
Besides, itCotCK is not a terribly well made album. Most of the lyrics I'd describe as embarrassing, without going into details. There is some rather strong guitar content on the 1st title, but that's where the virtuoso stuff ends. The sonic experimentation for the sake of experimentation is OK, but neither opens new horizons, nor pleases my ears.
I cannot tune myself sufficiently into Poseidon, LIzard and the rest of the early 1970's produce to enjoy is as much as I would like to.
I do think, however, that LTiA, Red, Discipline and SaBB are marvels sans pareil. The rest of their 1980's KC is excellent as well.
I am not educated enough in the Projekcts domain, so I shall leave it out.
But I would say that with Power to Believe KC gave us once again a decent piece of prog, whereas the (IMHO) God-awful Scarcity of Miracles sounds like a half-hearted attempt at achieving no goals whatsoever ... alhough strictly speaking, it's a projekct, not KC proper.
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