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Posted: August 12 2009 at 18:37

^^ Thats good

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Posted: August 12 2009 at 18:42

Seriously, you fell for that??

Did you REALLY think I liked 90125?? LOL

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Posted: August 12 2009 at 18:47

J-Man wrote:

Seriously, you fell for that??Did you REALLY think I liked 90125?? LOL

Well I don't mind it

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Posted: August 12 2009 at 18:53

progkidjoel wrote:

J-Man wrote:

Seriously, you fell for that??Did you REALLY think I liked 90125?? LOL

Well I don't mind it

Seriously, it's not a bad album really. It's just a bad Yes album, if you know what I mean.

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Posted: August 12 2009 at 18:57

Agreed!

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Posted: August 12 2009 at 19:02

I ban progkid for...

Oh, wait wrong thread, sorry Tongue

So what makes 90125 better than Big Generator? They both have similar layouts, but most people (such as I) tend to prefer 90125. Anyone have a good explanation why?

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Posted: August 12 2009 at 19:04

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I ban progkid for...Oh, wait wrong thread, sorry Tongue

So what makes 90125 better than Big Generator? They both have similar layouts, but most people (such as I) tend to prefer 90125. Anyone have a good explanation why?

I'd say most of the tracks are better, and slightly more interesting to listen to over BG. The only track I really like on BG is Holy Lamb, and I find most of the other tracks to be pretty abysmal.

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Posted: August 12 2009 at 19:07

I still think Changes is better than any other song on BG. I actualy don't find anything on BG to be abysmal, but all average songs with no standout tracks, where 90125 does have a few, relatively speaking, awesome Yes songs.

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Posted: August 12 2009 at 21:08

J-Man wrote:

I still think Changes is better than any other song on BG. I actualy don't find anything on BG to be abysmal, but all average songs with no standout tracks, where 90125 does have a few, relatively speaking, awesome Yes songs.

Indeed it does - and Owner Of A Lonely Heart is just a classic

Changes is good, but a bit cheesy for my tastes..

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Posted: August 12 2009 at 22:06

I don't find any of the Trevor Rabin era albums good enough, even though I do like many songs from that era very much. I guess my very favourit song from that lineup are Holy Lamb, The More We Live Let Go, and Endless Dream. Many other good songs, anyway.

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Posted: August 12 2009 at 22:09

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I don't find any of the Trevor Rabin era albums good enough, even though I do like many songs from that era very much. I guess my very favourit song from that lineup are Holy Lamb, The More We Live Let Go, and Endless Dream. Many other good songs, anyway.

The albums aren't very good overall, but have some very good tracks.

My favourite would be I Am Waiting from Talk, but the Rabin era does have its selections of good tracks

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Posted: August 12 2009 at 23:01

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Indeed it does - and Owner Of A Lonely Heart is just a classic

I hope I did not just hear that.

Sure it's a catchy song but classic?

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Posted: August 12 2009 at 23:05

I like Machine Messiah one of the best tracks during that difficult period of Yes.

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Posted: August 12 2009 at 23:38

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I like Machine Messiah one of the best tracks during that difficult period of Yes.

Machine Messiah is a very good song. And I also think Drama is a great album!

-Joel

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Posted: August 13 2009 at 08:01

Originally posted by Any Colour You Like

Any Colour You Like wrote:

progkidjoel wrote:

Indeed it does - and Owner Of A Lonely Heart is just a classic

I hope I did not just hear that.

Sure it's a catchy song but classic?

I agree with you on this one. If I here that f*cking song one more time I think I'm going to EXPLODE!!!! Angry

Sorry, I really hate Owner. Embarrassed

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Posted: August 13 2009 at 08:02

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AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

I like Machine Messiah one of the best tracks during that difficult period of Yes.

Machine Messiah is a very good song. And I also think Drama is a great album!

-Joel

Drama has to be one of the most underrated albums of all time. I consider it one of my favorite Yes albums, and I'm going to give it 4 or maybe even 5 stars. Just because Jon Anderson isn't there doesn't mean they can't still pull off a masterpiece.

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Posted: August 13 2009 at 09:47

There is a couple of tracks from that era, but none of them are live recordings, sorry.

On Yessongs, Bill Bruford played on "Perpetual Change" (One of my favourite ever Yes Songs) and also on "Long Distance Runaround" and "The FISH".

Hope that helps!

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Thanks Joel for that track listing. I appreciate that. I remember buying the 45 (single) of Roundabout the week it was released. After purchasing the single I bought The Yes Album. At the time, myself and a few other teenage proggers up the block felt that the Wakeman,Bruford,Howe,Anderson,Squire line-up was the prime Yes. I find it strange that no live concert is available. It is almost impossible to make a judgement on this. I could say easily: That was then, this is now. As if to say maybe people just don't care or maybe there is a tape in the Atlantic record vaults and someone has yet to plough through it all. Who the heck knows right? I'm just a fanatic over that time period of Yes. I noticed the release of a BBC show with Peter Banks but that's about it. thanks for your efforts, John

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Posted: August 13 2009 at 13:25

90125 is an essential Yes album, IMHO. A completely new direction for the band that still managed to fuse together elements of the classic era that we all fell in love witj, and it clearly introduced a lot more fans to the band. Big Generator was a mess, simply because of the length of time taken to record and the feuds which were prevalent in the band.

However, my favourite Rabin era LP has to be Talk, which is a great album, with huge prog elements, particularly on Endless Dream, a deliberate attempt at this lineups CTTE.

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Posted: August 13 2009 at 19:30

lazland wrote:

90125 is an essential Yes album, IMHO. A completely new direction for the band that still managed to fuse together elements of the classic era that we all fell in love witj, and it clearly introduced a lot more fans to the band. Big Generator was a mess, simply because of the length of time taken to record and the feuds which were prevalent in the band.

However, my favourite Rabin era LP has to be Talk, which is a great album, with huge prog elements, particularly on Endless Dream, a deliberate attempt at this lineups CTTE.

90125 is definitely essential tho I can understand why it is maligned by fans. Before I knew the term prog even existed and before I had been blissfully blown off my sofa to 'Topographic Oceans' or forked out hundreds of dollars on box sets such as 'Yes - In a Word', this little album somehow fell into my grip and I found myself drawn into the world of Yes. I played it ad infinitum and loved every moment of it. I had been at a friend's house and he played it and I knew I had to get this. What harmonies, what musicianship, what a single with 'Owner of a Lonely Heart'. That was then, and I would have easily given '90125' 4 stars, however.... this is now, and as a bonafide unashamed proghead the verdict is... no thanks. To be honest, I rarely play the thing anymore. All the best songs sit very comfortably on the aforementioned Yes box set and that's enough for me.

The album is incomparable to the likes of prog genius works 'The Yes Album' or 'Fragile'. In fact to compare them would be futile because they come from totally different planets. Planet 'Fragile' and planet '90125' are even from different universes! As a result of course, this much maligned album alienated a multitude of fans, and yet gained scores of new fans with it's commercial success. The charts fairly blazed with the opening track, and for my mind it is the best thing on the album. Yes, it is the most commercially accessible as far as marketing goes. Look at that brutally retro film clip and you will see what I mean. But I love the guitars and the crunching riffs and the over produced echoed vocal performances, and even the lyrics are memorable - in other words uncharacteristically commercially viable.

'Leave It' was another barnstorming chart success too but it is dull without the cool clip to compliment it. 'It Can Happen' is a wonderful song with a catchy chorus and great vocals from Anderson. So what else is new? 'Changes' is terrific - in fact the lyrics really spoke to me when I was going through changes recently in my life. But... the rest of this is not much to write home about... so I won't here.

Talk and Drama albums escaped me. I never had the courage to get them and the box set has some tracks which are supposedly the best and Machine Messiah was it for me. I love the song. Rabin would be OK I guess. If I see the album cheap I would snap it up but its about $23-28 in the CD shops of Australia.

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Posted: August 13 2009 at 20:54

I certainly like 90125 much more than BG, but I can't possibly say that it is essential. Don't get me wrong: it is a very good album, but almost all other albums I would suggest to a prog fan before this. I don't see how they used any elements from their classic period. That is progressive rock, where 90125 is an art-rock/pop album.

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