All YES Appreciation Thread
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Topic: All YES Appreciation Thread
Posted By: American Khatru
Subject: All YES Appreciation Thread
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 04:14
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In the How Many Really Listen To Yes thread, a poster, Anaon, wondered aloud if there was a Yes appreciation thread. I always assumed there must be a thread on this topic already active, but it appears not (someone correct me if I'm wrong). What, has it all been said? Well, maybe not everyone's heard it. So I'm just going to take an "if you build it they will come" attitude. Let's make this a place to talk about all things Yes, from inception to current activity, about the members past and present and their doings, a place for younger or newer interested parties to ask questions, for the knowledgeable to post info and links on rarities and necessities, post reviews too if you like. -------------  Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"? |
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Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 04:50
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Yeeeeeeeeeeeees!!!! Thank you!! I'm a huge fan of Yes - My fav albums are Close To The Edge and Relayer of course but also Tales and Going For The One. I love Steve Howe's playing. Really underestimated guitar player in my opinion! And Chris Squire's playing and sound is unique et incredible! ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 06:19
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Steve Howe was my main guitar influence growing up (... not that I've lived up to it). Of his two solo records in the 70's, get The Steve Howe Album if you don't already have it. IMO the first one (Beginnings) suffers from meandering writing, and poor vocals (okay, that second part is not just my opinion).
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 06:22
My first prog band, and the only Prog band I've ever seen live... I honestly don't think they've released a terrible album 
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Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 06:44
Oh yes! I ordered Beginnings on Amazon some days ago all the same because I guess it's worth just for his guitar playing. I'll order the second one the next time, thanks! :) ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
American Khatru wrote:Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 09:48
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My first prog band too. I was fortunate enough to have an older brother with a cool record collection. He tells me the earliest thing he played me was In the Court of the Crimson King, but my earliest memories are of Yes, specifically Yes Album, Fragile (before it got scratched beyond usefulness), Close to the Edge, Yessongs. I'd spin these vinyls with my own little hands, spending days just listening, sometimes staring at those great covers. Tales' girth frightened me at first, but it didn't take long before I got WAAAAY into that one. (I can remember The Ancients scaring me, scary sounds! Then I found it scary but in a wondrous way.) Sure there was ELP and Tull and Zeppelin, but those were never quite as serious to me as Yes - that was my childhood experience and feeling anyway.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 09:55
I don't think it's a big deal, but there is one, it's even unlocked. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=47357 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=47357 The problem, once again, is that the default search parameter is to only go back 6 months. |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 09:59
Oups  Where should we go now? ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: Concentration Moon
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 10:28
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Yes was my second prog band, but the first one that made me go and discover more. The first album I heard was "Fragile" and it's still my favorite by them.
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 12:33
. Well, I don't know what to say. Of course I'd love it if people stuck around here. Question is why didn't it have more activity? What, is Yes some kind of dinosaur??------------- Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"? |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 12:49
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Just stick with your thread AK now that it is started. If Admin wishes to converge the two they will do so. As for me, dropping the needle on Fragile was my first experience with real prog that I recall, sometime in the early 80s. It was love at first hear! |
Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 20:42
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Every album from The Yes Album to Going for the One are excellent. Particularly Close to the Edge, Tales, and the BEAUTIFUL Relayer. I agree with Anaon, Howe's really under-rated. He is definitely a GREAT guitarist. ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 20:44
I really don't know where you people get that Steve Howe is under-appreciated/rated
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Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 21:14
He's definitely not under-APPRECIATED (and not SO under-rated) but (in my opinion) he ranks up there with Gilmour, Page, Hackett, etc. and for most of the people, (I think) he's not considered as good as them. ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 23:59
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If you mention Howe's name in the same breath as Gilmour or Page, he's underappreciated. (Hackett is worthy company for him, however.) ------------- 
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: August 10 2009 at 05:19
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Not only is Howe a great rock guitarist, and phenomenal on the nylon strings, but he has all these amazing forays into "old timey" styles that Gilmour and Page, great as they are too, could not touch at all. Cactus Boogie, Meadow Rag, The Continental, just to name three off The Steve Howe Album. Fripp could probably have done that kind of stuff too, but didn't want to. Same could go for Hackett, who, to be fair, probably edges Howe out on the classical side. But even as I say that I think of the "proggy" classical of Howe, like in The Ancients and Surface Tension, and I get chills like nothing else gives me. There's a thematic space and meaning about his playing. No, no one has it over on him, done deal. ------------- Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"? |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 10 2009 at 05:26
Steve Howe is probably the first guitarist to genuinely master every style... And hes so damn clean - I can't think of anything hes ever played which is bad. -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 10 2009 at 05:41
Howe is an excellent guitarist. I saw him live playing double duty last week with Yes and Asia, and he's got to be like 100 years old by now , but he is still rippin'! I'm surprised I made it on page one here. It's not very often that I make page one on a Yes, DT, Genesis, etc. thread ------------- 
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 10 2009 at 05:42
Its because hes a vegatarian... Pretty funny stuff, the healthiest guy in the band has been looking like hes about to die for the past 20 years  -------------
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: August 10 2009 at 05:43
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 10 2009 at 05:49
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Chris Squire was quite the contrary. He looked like a huge monster that was going to eat a random audience member
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 10 2009 at 05:53
He put on quite a bit... Pretty bleak in contrast to what he used to look like... -------------
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: August 10 2009 at 07:36
Looks (and health!) aside, I always loved the fact that the very first thing you hear by Yes, on the very first album, is Squire powerfully way up on the neck of his Rickenbacker! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1b3R0y_0oY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1b3R0y_0oY Edit: the studio version I had up was taken down from YouTube. This is live, broadcast by French tv. ------------- Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"? |
Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: August 10 2009 at 07:41
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Speaking of YouTube, Anaon had a question earlier about live footage of Bruford playing Close to the Edge. Anyone know of any footage of him on that or any other CttE song live? Couldn't find on YouTube, maybe there's tape or a DVD out there?
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Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: August 10 2009 at 08:17
Sure he is well rated and appreciated here, of course! But I meant in the guitar world in general, most of guitar players don't even know his name American Khatru : I found this video with Bill Bruford with an awesome solo by Steve Howe. What I really like with Steve Howe is that he is as technical as emotional, even if it plays complex stuffs, he feels them and gives them life. ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 10 2009 at 13:12
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They are all technically and emotionally superb. Yes were my first prog band, and remain to this day the ultimate symphonic experience. I look forward to discussing them for many years to come.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 10 2009 at 22:23
There's a DVD of An Evening of Yes Music, by ABWH, which is virtually another lineup of Yes (without Chris Squire, but with Bruford). I still got to get that DVD, but it has the most awsome version of Heart of the Sunrise (I have the CD), with the best drumming I've heard on that song. There's also the Union tour video, which as far as I know is VERY difficult to get, and it features both Bruford and White. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 10 2009 at 22:26
| By the way, given that this is a Yes appreciation thread, what do you people think of Jon Anderson's singing? I find most people find it diffilcult to like his voice, even in the prog archives. But as far as I'm concerned, he is one of the very best singers in prog and rock in general, quiet a unique and beautiful and powerful voice. |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 11 2009 at 01:34
Easily my favourite singer + Writer + lyricist... My avatar is his first solo album! (Which if anyone who's posted here doesn't yet own, buy it!) I really like his voice - Its so incredibly soft, yet technical, and has the best range ever... Just amazing. I own all of his solo albums, and most of his albums as Jon & Vangelis.. I love his voice, basically
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 11 2009 at 01:39
Its a great DVD - It also has this... Wakeman at what is easily his best (Sorry, no luck on the CttE Bruford video) -Joel -------------
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: August 11 2009 at 02:25
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Only time i saw Yes was the Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe tour
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 11 2009 at 02:34
I love ABWH, absolutely great band and album. Was Tony Levin involved during the performance? On the ABWH DVD he's barely visible for most of the performance. -Joel -------------
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: August 11 2009 at 05:25
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When I saw ABWH at Jones Beach Theater (late 80s? early 90s) Tony Levin was there, they did play long forms like Heart and Close to the Edge. We, the audience, Had Heaven! ------------- Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"? |
Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: August 11 2009 at 05:44
There was a thread recently (I'm sure many of you saw it) that polled people for who was the better vocalist, Peter Hammill (VdGG) or Jon Anderson. The more people explained why they preffered Hammill - the reasons they gave, like theatrical range of emotion, verbosity, hi wails and later soft meaningful whispers - well, the more I read what was supposedly better about Hammill (no slouch mind you) the more I was convinced of Anderson's cool superiority. Anderson didn't do all those "stretching, searching" things... and thank goodness he didn't (or wouldn't, or couldn't, who cares), how it would have wrecked Yes! He just brought the goods in the classical, consistent vocalist sense, time after time after time. And can still sing. BTW, I wish I had more time to spend in this thread, or anywhere in these pages. Kind of sad to start this page and only look in on it 1 to 3 times a day. My job write now doesn't keep me in front of a computer. Been driving a lot, and will again today. You can bet I'll be taking some Yes with me! ------------- Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"? |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 11 2009 at 05:47
I'll take care of the thread in your stead 
A quick question - Do you have any of Jon Anderson's solo albums? -Joel -------------
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Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: August 11 2009 at 08:18
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Progkidjoel, could you recommand me some Jon Anderson albums? I just own Olias of Sunhillow which I love but I fear that some of his album are too... 80's or something... About Anderson's voice, I think he's unique too. I can see only Anderson sings "Close To The Edge" or "Heart Of The Sunrise", it's just "the" voice of this otherworldly music! ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 11 2009 at 12:06
Joel - if it is the same DVD as the VHS video I have, the reason why he is barely visible is the fact that he was absent ill. His place is taken by a session musician. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 11 2009 at 12:08
Without wanting to steal Joel's thunder, I would heartily recommend Toltec to you as a starter, followed by Animation. Ifyou like both, you can move on to other, more obscure, albums. Both are, IMO, easily 4 star LPs. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: August 11 2009 at 12:33
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Thanks ;) I'll try to find them... What about The Promise Ring? I saw it in my fav shop at a really fair price... ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: August 11 2009 at 13:57
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 11 2009 at 17:38
You should have seen him next to Benoit David. He's a pretty tiny guy, and he's next to this 6 and a half foot monster the whole time -------------
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Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: August 11 2009 at 22:21
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I love Yes ... almost saw them live in the second half of the NA In The Present Tour, but they cancelled all concerts from four days before I saw them. I'm hoping for them to come around again some time in the next year. I own most of their albums and they are by far the #1 artist on my lastfm because I was pretty much obsessed with them to the exclusion of most else for six months. They are responsible for me being into prog rock now. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 09:33
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^^ I was going to go to that tour as well, but they cancelled my show as well. I ended up going to 3 Rivers PogFest instead, so it worked out pretty well anyway
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Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 09:41
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Back from my fav shop, I bought The Promise Ring by Jon Anderson, low price and as I love Ireland, I like the atmosphere of the album. And I bought again Keys To Ascension dvd. I sold it some years ago but all in all, it's one of their best dvds... ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 10:05
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I've got a question, is Going For The One worth getting? I've got CTTE, TFTO and Relayer (of the three Relayer is my favourite, right now at least). I don't own Fragile but I feel as though I do just because I've heard the songs from it so many times. I'm not nearly as big a fan of it though, although I'm not sure if that's because I don't like the material as much or if it's just through over-exposure (Roundabout kind of loses its magic after the 50th time LOL). So given that information, is it worth it? And by "worth getting" I don't mean if I should pick it up at some point during my life, I mean if it should be a high priority buy for me right now. I know this probably should've gone in the Album Recommendations forum but I saw a collection of Yes fans and figured "Why not?" Also, in appreciation of Yes, those three albums I've got are simply magnificent. The only reason I don't listen to them all the time is because I'm worried that the more I listen to them, the more I'll write like them, and while I do recognize the deep need in the prog community right now for a Yes clone, I'd rather try to find my own voice Honestly though Gates of Delirium may very well be the best sidelong in prog history |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 10:09
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The answer without hesitation is YES! Just because of "Awaken" which is one of their best and beautiful epics ;) And Fragile too because of "Heart Of The Sunrise" of course :) ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 13:06
GFTO remains my favourite Yes album, and one of my top five albums of all time. Worth getting simply for the majesty of Awaken and the emotional rollercoaster of Turn of the Century alone. No self respecting prog fan should be without it. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: DRACCA
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 14:21
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Is there an official release of Yes live from the early 7o's with line up: Bruford, Squire, Anderson, Howe and Wakeman? There is one track from Yessongs but imagine having that entire show? I always wondered if live recordings of this period were featured on the box set Yes Years. I could never seem to find the track listing for that box set. I often wonder if a show like this has been officially released and maybe I just didn't happen to notice. ------------- INNER TEMPLE |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 17:11
I own Yesyears - Here's the tracklisting: Disk 1: (72:50) 1. Something's Coming (7:06) 2. Survival (6:18) 3. Every Little Thing (5:41) 4. Then (4:18) 5. Everydays (4:08) 6. Sweet Dreams (3:49) 7. No Opportunity Necessary, No Experience Needed (4:48) 8. Time and a Word (4:31) 9. Starship Trooper (9:26) 10. Yours is no Disgrace (9:40) 11. I've Seen All Good People (6:53) 12. Long Distance Runaround (3:33) 13. The Fish (Schindleria Praematurus) (2:35) Disk 2: (72:40) 1. Roundabout (8:31) 2. Heart of the Sunrise (10:31) 3. America (edit) (4:03) 4. Close to the Edge (18:34) 5. Ritual (21:33) 6. Sound Chaser (9:23) Disk 3: (73:18) 1. Soon (4:06) 2. Amazing Grace (2:31) 3. Vevey, part 1 (1:07) 4. Wonderous Stories (3:45) 5. Awaken (15:34) 6. Montreaux's Theme (2:26) 7. Vevey, part 2 (0:57) 8. Going for the One (5:32) 9. Money (3:12) 10. Abilene (3:55) 11. Don't Kill the Whale (3:55) 12. On the Silent Wings of Freedom (7:45) 13. Does It Really Happen? (6:34) 14. Tempus Fugit (5:14) 15. Run With the Fox (4:09) 16. I'm Down (2:31) Disk 4: (72:43) 1. Make it Easy (6:08) 2. It Can Happen (6:01) 3.Owner of a Lonely Heart (4:27) 4. Hold On (5:15) 5. Shoot High Aim Low (7:00) 6. Rhythm of Love (4:46) 7. Love Will Find a Way (4:49) 8. Changes (7:34) 8. And You And I (10:49) 9. Heart of the Sunrise (10:50) 10. Love Conquers All (4:57) There is a couple of tracks from that era, but none of them are live recordings, sorry. On Yessongs, Bill Bruford played on "Perpetual Change" (One of my favourite ever Yes Songs) and also on "Long Distance Runaround" and "The FISH". Unfortunately, I don't think there is an entire live album or DVD with that lineup. Hope that helps! -Joel -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 17:23
Going for the One is essential. Get it as quickly as you possibly can! Fragile is worth getting at some point, but I don't find it as essential as other people find it. I gave it a 3 star review. -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 17:24
I'd say both are essential, but definitely get GFTO first... Fragile's good, but only has two really brilliant tracks IMO. -Joel -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 17:43
What would you say those two brilliant tracks are? -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 17:47
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
1. South Side Of The Sky 2. Heart Of the Sunrise -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 17:53
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^^ Then I agree completely
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 17:56
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^^
South Side Of The Sky is just awesome, and Rick Wakeman himself said "I consider this to be the ultimate progrock song" when my dad saw him live in... 2005-ish... Don't get me wrong - Roundabout is great, but, more of a classic than a brilliant song. -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 18:01
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When I saw them live a week ago and they played Roundabout there was something that can only be explained if you were there. It was a kind of feeling that was only present in a few other songs. I do fully agree, however, that it isn't quite a masterpiece like South Side. -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 18:13
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Random YES question - Favorite Yes album with Trevor Rabin? -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 18:25
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Hmm... 90125
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 18:31
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^^ Really?
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 18:34
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No, I was just joking. Mine would be Talk as well
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 18:37
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^^ Thats good -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 18:42
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Seriously, you fell for that?? Did you REALLY think I liked 90125?? -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 18:47
Well I don't mind it  -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 18:53
 Seriously, it's not a bad album really. It's just a bad Yes album, if you know what I mean. -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 18:57
 Agreed!-------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 19:02
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I ban progkid for... Oh, wait wrong thread, sorry So what makes 90125 better than Big Generator? They both have similar layouts, but most people (such as I) tend to prefer 90125. Anyone have a good explanation why? -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 19:04
I'd say most of the tracks are better, and slightly more interesting to listen to over BG. The only track I really like on BG is Holy Lamb, and I find most of the other tracks to be pretty abysmal. -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 19:07
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I still think Changes is better than any other song on BG. I actualy don't find anything on BG to be abysmal, but all average songs with no standout tracks, where 90125 does have a few, relatively speaking, awesome Yes songs.
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 21:08
Indeed it does - and Owner Of A Lonely Heart is just a classic 
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 22:06
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 22:09
The albums aren't very good overall, but have some very good tracks. My favourite would be I Am Waiting from Talk, but the Rabin era does have its selections of good tracks
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Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 23:01
I hope I did not just hear that. Sure it's a catchy song but classic? |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 23:05
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I like Machine Messiah one of the best tracks during that difficult period of Yes. ------------- 
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 12 2009 at 23:38
Machine Messiah is a very good song. And I also think Drama is a great album! -Joel -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 08:01
I agree with you on this one. If I here that f*cking song one more time I think I'm going to EXPLODE!!!! Sorry, I really hate Owner. -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 08:02
Drama has to be one of the most underrated albums of all time. I consider it one of my favorite Yes albums, and I'm going to give it 4 or maybe even 5 stars. Just because Jon Anderson isn't there doesn't mean they can't still pull off a masterpiece. -------------
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Posted By: DRACCA
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 09:47
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There is a couple of tracks from that era, but none of them are live recordings, sorry. On Yessongs, Bill Bruford played on "Perpetual Change" (One of my favourite ever Yes Songs) and also on "Long Distance Runaround" and "The FISH". Hope that helps! -Joel[/QUOTE] Thanks Joel for that track listing. I appreciate that. I remember buying the 45 (single) of Roundabout the week it was released. After purchasing the single I bought The Yes Album. At the time, myself and a few other teenage proggers up the block felt that the Wakeman,Bruford,Howe,Anderson,Squire line-up was the prime Yes. I find it strange that no live concert is available. It is almost impossible to make a judgement on this. I could say easily: That was then, this is now. As if to say maybe people just don't care or maybe there is a tape in the Atlantic record vaults and someone has yet to plough through it all. Who the heck knows right? I'm just a fanatic over that time period of Yes. I noticed the release of a BBC show with Peter Banks but that's about it. thanks for your efforts, John ------------- INNER TEMPLE |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 13:25
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90125 is an essential Yes album, IMHO. A completely new direction for the band that still managed to fuse together elements of the classic era that we all fell in love witj, and it clearly introduced a lot more fans to the band. Big Generator was a mess, simply because of the length of time taken to record and the feuds which were prevalent in the band. However, my favourite Rabin era LP has to be Talk, which is a great album, with huge prog elements, particularly on Endless Dream, a deliberate attempt at this lineups CTTE. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 19:30
90125 is definitely essential tho I can understand why it is maligned by fans. Before I knew the term prog even existed and before I had been blissfully blown off my sofa to 'Topographic Oceans' or forked out hundreds of dollars on box sets such as 'Yes - In a Word', this little album somehow fell into my grip and I found myself drawn into the world of Yes. I played it ad infinitum and loved every moment of it. I had been at a friend's house and he played it and I knew I had to get this. What harmonies, what musicianship, what a single with 'Owner of a Lonely Heart'. That was then, and I would have easily given '90125' 4 stars, however.... this is now, and as a bonafide unashamed proghead the verdict is... no thanks. To be honest, I rarely play the thing anymore. All the best songs sit very comfortably on the aforementioned Yes box set and that's enough for me.
The album is incomparable to the likes of prog genius works 'The Yes Album' or 'Fragile'. In fact to compare them would be futile because they come from totally different planets. Planet 'Fragile' and planet '90125' are even from different universes! As a result of course, this much maligned album alienated a multitude of fans, and yet gained scores of new fans with it's commercial success. The charts fairly blazed with the opening track, and for my mind it is the best thing on the album. Yes, it is the most commercially accessible as far as marketing goes. Look at that brutally retro film clip and you will see what I mean. But I love the guitars and the crunching riffs and the over produced echoed vocal performances, and even the lyrics are memorable - in other words uncharacteristically commercially viable. 'Leave It' was another barnstorming chart success too but it is dull without the cool clip to compliment it. 'It Can Happen' is a wonderful song with a catchy chorus and great vocals from Anderson. So what else is new? 'Changes' is terrific - in fact the lyrics really spoke to me when I was going through changes recently in my life. But... the rest of this is not much to write home about... so I won't here. Talk and Drama albums escaped me. I never had the courage to get them and the box set has some tracks which are supposedly the best and Machine Messiah was it for me. I love the song. Rabin would be OK I guess. If I see the album cheap I would snap it up but its about $23-28 in the CD shops of Australia. -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 20:54
I certainly like 90125 much more than BG, but I can't possibly say that it is essential. Don't get me wrong: it is a very good album, but almost all other albums I would suggest to a prog fan before this. I don't see how they used any elements from their classic period. That is progressive rock, where 90125 is an art-rock/pop album. -------------
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 21:42
Sure Owner of a Lonely Heart is a classic. It's just not a classic for progressive lovers. As a matter of fact, I do like that song, but it goes without saying there are much, much better songs in the Yes catalog. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 21:45
I also love Machine Messiah, one of my favourite songs (though there are a lot of favorite songs from Yes). However, it's not exactly a track from the same period of Trevor Rabin. |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 22:22
Yeah true. It sounded great when they did it live at Tsongas.
by the way I got hold of Yes Classic Artists DVD and it was OK for the price. Did any other Yes fans like me think though that the DVD was full of too much talk and not enough music?
I was a bit disappointed about that and it was a slog to listen to one speaker after another non stop. It needed some musical interludes but I think there were only 3 times when music was used to break up the long talky bits.
Some interviews are conducted with Peter Banks, Geoff Downes, Eddie Offord and Jack Barrie. It is a bit draining watching this from start to end as its all talk talk talk apart from a brief clip or a song here and there, but there are not enough songs or clips to break the constant talking. So I believe it is better to watch this in parts and watch some clips of Yes from other DVDs or it can be a draining experience.
There are special features including lengthy outtakes of interviews. One in particular features Squire just driving around London and chatting about the band. He takes us on a tour of his home stretch, showing us rehearsal places and houses of interest. He has a lot to say as he was the one member of the band who stayed with them from start to end. The promo videos are available elsewhere and as such a bit of a waste if you own other Yes DVDs. eg: 'Owner of a Lonely Heart' is here again! -------------
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 06:08
 Drama it seems receives faint praise, but I think it's a damn fine record. Like a lot of people I'm not entirely objective when I say this, like the people who heard 90125 at a young and impressionable age; I took my bike to the record store and bought it with my paper route money as soon as I noticed the ad in the paper. But there's more to this album, objectively speaking now, than to 90125 to be sure. Drama is a prog record through and through, the attempt to be radio friendly no more aggressive or egregious than anything ever done by the greats in the early 70s, and certainly fresher and "truer" than many of the goings-on in the old prog peoples by then. You can say you miss Anderson, who doesn't?, and that it's not on par with the old Yes glory, okay fine. But I say it's more on par with the 70's albums than anything that would come after it. Let me try to get back to objectivity. The playing is all great and really rocks; it is sturdy, meaty stuff, not something a tribute band could just pick up in two seconds and play down without due attention. Steve Howe is in fine form. Squire's voice fits even with Horn's (great backing vocalist is Squire!!). Who would have thought the keyboardist of the Buggles would kick ass all over the ivories (and molded plastics)? The writing and arranging is the same hard work that a real fan of the symphonic sound longs for and relishes every moment of. I know he didn't have the endurance for the live grind but, damnit, I like Horn's voice on the material. I was thrilled with the record then, and remain thrilled with it now. If nothing else - if I said to you X great band is getting back together but filling in the roles of singer and keyboards will be... The Buggles - think how much worse this could have been?! It's an excellent record without knowing that; add that and you have something of a phenonomenon. ------------- Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"? |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 06:15
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My dad and I (Who got me into YES) have always thought this is one of their best, and it definitely is. Good to see some others who feel the same. In my honest opinion, its one of the best played studio albums ever! -Joel -------------
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 07:31
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^^ There ya go, that's the spirit. Unabashed Drama supporters unite! Now off to the job again... ------------- Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"? |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 07:39
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 10:35
I meant essential in terms of understanding the history of the band, and the genre as a whole, rather than the music, although I do still rate this extremely highly. It is a damn fine, accomplished piece of pop/rock, with many prog elements. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 18:09
I agree 100% - In fact, the only reason I didn't give this album a 5 is because it isn't a masterpiece of Progressive music as such, but its still great! -------------
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 15:09
Thanks Joel - we are on the exact same wavelength. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 17:15
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^Fantastic to hear someone who agrees, Lazland
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 20:08
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I'm not saying I disagree- 90125 is a great album. I just don't find it essential. I should note I will also give it 3 or 4 stars when I get around to it. -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 20:10
Good -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 20:25
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Big Generator on the other hand... -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 17 2009 at 05:51
I gave it a 3 - I don't think it was bad, but theres only two tracks which I would say are good
-Joel -------------
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Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: August 17 2009 at 07:29
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I'm listening to Beginnings by Steve Howe. That's right that his voice is not so good for lead vocals but somehow, I really like this album, great guitar playing obviously! :)
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 17 2009 at 10:15
Sorry Joel. When I get around to it, it's getting a 1 for sure -------------
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Posted By: Mladen_Serbia
Date Posted: August 17 2009 at 13:28
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I've been listening to Yes for the last couple of weeks, and I really like them. Very cosmic and trippy in places, but so beautiful. I've only listened the albums from The Yes album to Tormato, and pretty much liked every single one of them. This is how I would rank them: 1. Close to the edge 2. Fragile 3. Tales from the topographic oceans 4. The Yes album 5. Going for the one 6. Relayer 7. Tormato I was thinking about checking out Drama, but I can't get enough time. I'll listen to it sooner or later. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 17 2009 at 13:37
The vast majority of posters on the forum will tell you that it is a great album, and I respect them all too much to diss that opinion. My own feeling is that it is utterly unrepresentative of Yes, but that is solely judged by the absence of Anderson. I would recommend that you get both The Ladder & Magnification as very good examples of the band's later works. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Ken-Boston
Date Posted: August 17 2009 at 15:41
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I go way way back with YES, and I saw them over 25 times back in the 70's, in SF at Winterland (no drugs sex and rock and roll of course). My favorite all time album is The Yes Album, followed by Fragile (is my age showing?). Tormato is the worse, but that is like saying cold lobster is not as good as warm lobster...
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