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yanch 
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 Posted: May 28 2010 at 06:13 |
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Nothing wrong with not being a big Yes or Genesis fan. Clearly, you enjoy a good variety of prog, so don't worry that you don't love Yes and Genesis. I don't love Vandergraf Generator-have, like you, listened many times-I appreciate how amazingly talented they are and how important they are to progressive music, but I am not a real fan of them. We all have bands we like and others we are not fans of. No big deal!
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rod65
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 06:19 |
 Paravion wrote:
| You know how it is with prog music. It takes time for one to get into it. Especially "harder" stuff... That's what I meant by saying that I tried to like them. |
Really? 
The cure is trying not to care about disliking yes or genesis.
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I agree. While I think it is often worth the effort to get a taste for something you don't at first like, it is not a failure if you don't manage to acquire that particular taste, no matter how many other people have it. Some music, no matter what its merits, just doesn't do it for us. Personally, though I can recognize the excellence of Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, for instance, it has never really moved me. Not a failing: just a fact.
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kole
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 06:29 |
Paravion wrote:
| You know how it is with prog music. It takes time for one to get into it. Especially "harder" stuff... That's what I meant by saying that I tried to like them. |
Really?
The cure is trying not to care about disliking yes or genesis.
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Well, maybe not with all prog, not even with majority of it, but there are many examples - when I was reviewing Beardfish's "Destined Solitaire" for our webzin, I didn't get it at first. It took about 5 listens, but now... it is one of my favourite albums. I thought maybe it is the same with Genesis or Yes.
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friso
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 06:32 |
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The whole Genesis and Yes thing has been put out of it's context. Both made a lot of poppy releases in their career and thus have a lot of fans. A lot of populair albums get high ratings, even on this site for progressive rock. Somehow there's this mindset there are some 'greatest' prog bands like Yes and Geneses, however this has nothing to with the reality. There is much more quality prog and people have different tastes.
I myself only listen to Tresspass and Nursery Cryme of Genesis and side one of the Yes album. Both have terrible studiorecordings that i can't bare to listen because of the bad quality of recordings.
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Blacksword
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 07:05 |
You like what you like. Dont beat yourself up about it. Even Bill Bruford wasn't a massive Yes fan, and he was in the  ing band!
Maybe you just prefer the more, er..challenging, and experimental prog bands.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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topographicbroadways
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 07:11 |
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maybe somebody stole your soul and now you are unable too feel awsome music, or maybe you just don't like Yes and Genesis. Your choice...
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chopper
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 07:37 |
It's not compulsory to like either band so don't worry about it.
Of course, if Jon Anderson reads this he will come round your house and bash you round the head with a Yes box set until you change your mind.
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 07:40 |
If you don't like Yes, listen to Tales from Topographic Oceans. 
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kole
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 07:41 |
chopper wrote:
It's not compulsory to like either band so don't worry
about it.
Of course, if Jon Anderson reads this he will come round your house
and bash you round the head with a Yes box set until you change your
mind. |
I'd prefer the other Anderson. I want JT box set!
Edited by kole - May 28 2010 at 07:43
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Sean Trane
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 07:45 |
kole wrote:
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psarros wrote:
A good question is ''which prog bands do you actually like the most?''...If the answer is MAGMA,DUN,WEATHER REPORT,ISIS,PELICAN,THE MARS VOLTA etc.,then yes,it seems symphonic prog isn't your thing. |
Weather Report yes, others, no. I am really into Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Frank Zappa, Marillion, Beardfish, Jethro Tull (gonna see them on 1. 7., hell yeah!), and the whole Canterbury scene. Oh, and one of my top 3 genres is jazz fusion (or rock, if you prefer that expression). |
Nothing is wrong with your personal music tastes  
As a matter of fact, they are a lot better than most Sympho-neo-retro progheads who only like that!!!
It is a little surprising you appreciate Marillion & Beardfish, but not Yes and Genesis, but nothing that's worth worrying about.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Seyo
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 08:03 |
kole wrote:
So, here's the deal. I like neither Yes nor Genesis. Tried many times to get into them, but... it simply wasn't it. There are exceptions, of course, but no more than a few songs. I am quite a prog listener, but Yes and Genesis... don't know. Maybe I am starting from the wrong point (as in album), or something. Or I am just not into symphonic prog... but I really do want to like them. So, what's wrong with me?
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Nothing is wrong with you. Leave them aside for a while and go listen to other music. They do however require more than a few spins, if you are a complete novice to them. Come back later and try again. If it does not work for you - that is OK, there are plenty of good music apart from Yes and Genesis.... 
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NecronCommander
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 08:13 |
Like everyone else said, it's really just a preference that differs from person to person, there's nothing wrong with you.
I, personally, love Yes, but I don't like Genesis. (But I listen to metal, so whatever)
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 08:18 |
Epignosis wrote:
If you don't like Yes, listen to Tales from Topographic Oceans. |
This!
or Relayer!
Oh and for Genesis Trick of the Tail is a good place as its not too way out but Foxtrot is my fave...
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kole
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 08:18 |
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Well, of course there is nothing WRONG with me. It was more of a simbolic title or something. But thanks for all the answers. They gave me a couple more perspectives on this matter.
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mono
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 08:19 |
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People, this is not a subject to discuss.
YOU DON'T LIKE YES AND GENESIS. So??????
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Paravion
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 08:23 |
rod65 wrote:
Paravion wrote:
| You know how it is with prog music. It takes time for one to get into it. Especially "harder" stuff... That's what I meant by saying that I tried to like them. |
Really?
The cure is trying not to care about disliking yes or genesis. |
I agree. While I think it is often worth the effort to get a taste for something you don't at first like, it is not a failure if you don't manage to acquire that particular taste, no matter how many other people have it. Some music, no matter what its merits, just doesn't do it for us. Personally, though I can recognize the excellence of Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, for instance, it has never really moved me. Not a failing: just a fact. |
I'm not sure I agree. It reminds me of what Gentle Giant wrote inside the gatefold of "Acquiring the taste"
"Acquiring the taste is the second phase of sensory pleasure. If you gorged yourself on our first album, then relish the finer flavours (we hope) of this, our second offering.
It's our goal to expand the frontiers of contemporary popular music at the risk of being very unpopular. We have recorded each composition with the one thought - that it should be unique, adventurous and fascinating. It has taken every shred or our combined musical and technical knowledge to achieve this.
From this outset we have abandoned all preconceived thoughts on blatant commercialism. Instead we hope to give you something far more substantial and fulfilling. All you need to do is sit back and acquire the taste"
Writing something like that is a HUGE turn-off and makes it less likely that I end up liking the album.
(It's actually an okay album - and I like Genlte Giant (s/t is my fave). But what's with the pretentiousness and self-indulgence?- It's almost as if it is ironic?)
"While I think it is often worth the effort to get a taste for something you don't at first like"
Not sure. If I don't like an album first time I listen to it - I just don't like it, and it's unlikely that I give it another try in the near future. It's very rare though that I buy and listen to albums that I actually dislike.
If it's one of those annoying albums that requires acquisition of taste, I many times don't 'get it' at first listen - but I'm able to judge whether it has potential (or at least - I tell myself) - and if I feel it has potential, I listen to it a lot, and I end up (hopefully) liking the album. But it doesn't make an album better than other albums just because it requires that you have to "sit back and acquire the taste".
Edited by Paravion - May 28 2010 at 08:46
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 08:38 |
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Yes also made a few amazing progressive rock records recently, namely The Ladder and Magnification.
I think both of these are fantastic and have a punchy, modern sound.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 08:45 |
Epignosis wrote:
If you don't like Yes, listen to Tales from Topographic Oceans. |
Yup, you'll quickly grow to hate them. 
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Caliban
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 10:15 |
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Strangely, my favourite so far is The Yes album.
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lazland
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 10:15 |
Epignosis wrote:
Yes also made a few amazing progressive rock records recently, namely The Ladder and Magnification.
I think both of these are fantastic and have a punchy, modern sound.
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Absolutely - both are superb albums. Really, it doesn't matter what you like. Boring old farts like me were practically brought up on Yes & Genesis. I would hazard a guess that most fans in their twenties or younger on this site were weaned on stuff like Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater, or the like, and maybe got into the older stuff after reading about influences. My only advice would be to continue your musical journey and see where it takes you. After all, there is nothing to worry about - you like Marillion 
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