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The Pessimist 
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 Posted: January 18 2010 at 11:48 |
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I love jazz more than prog, but by a narrow margin. You can't really say you like prog more because a lot of prog is still very much pure jazz.
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JLocke
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 11:51 |
Hey, Alex.
I love Jazz, although I don't know much about it when compared to my knowledge of other genres. Joe Pass is a bit of an inspiration to me, though. Would you consider guitar to be a 'proper' Jazz instrument?
Edited by p0mt3 - January 18 2010 at 11:51
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The Quiet One
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 11:55 |
 p0mt3 wrote:
Hey, Alex.
I love Jazz, although I don't know much about it when compared to my knowledge of other genres. Joe Pass is a bit of an inspiration to me, though. Would you consider guitar to be a 'proper' Jazz instrument? |
Of course the 'guitar' can be considered a proper jazz instrument with great guitarists like Wes Montgomery and George Benson. including Joe Pass and Jim Hall.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 11:56 |
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I voted the first option, but I really don't know. Do I love Residents more than Herbie Hancock and are any of them, one of them of both of them prog? I have no idea.
But I do love all things considered jazz more than progressive rock.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 11:56 |
Any instrument is a "proper" jazz instrument to me  In my honest opinion, even in jazz tradition I feel it's a proper jazz instrument. I mean, look at Wes Montgomery and Pat Metheny. Interesting instruments also make the music more interesting for me, so use whatever I say 
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 12:02 |
p0mt3 wrote:
Hey, Alex.
I love Jazz, although I don't know much about it when compared to my knowledge of other genres. Joe Pass is a bit of an inspiration to me, though. Would you consider guitar to be a 'proper' Jazz instrument?
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Remember, the electric guitar was invented by a jazz musician  Regarding the acoustic guitar, if I'm not wrong, then jazz guitar was very "big" before the war, almost as big as classical guitar. Think of Django vs. Andres Segovia.
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JLocke
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 12:08 |
Haha, glad to see the guitar love, here.
I guess due to my lack of jazz knowledge, I don't really see many guitarists in the music. Bass players, always, but guitar players? No so much, it seems.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 12:13 |
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These are the jazz guitarists I can mention without thinking too much:
Django (of course)
Les Paul (of course)
Barney Kessel
Herb Ellis
John McLaughlin
John Abercrombrie
Terje Rypdal
Eivind Aarset
Edited by harmonium.ro - January 18 2010 at 12:53
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Sckxyss
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 12:24 |
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Second option for me. Excluding swing jazz, it is as enjoyable to me these days as prog is.
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Same. I'd exclude smooth jazz as well though .
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SaltyJon
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 12:25 |
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jampa17
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 12:33 |
don't like jazz... it's too boring to me... I "get it" but can appriciate it... but I like some jazzy prog because it has what jazz do not have... energy and power... and that's what prog rock throw into the mix... so... I even prefer old rock'n'roll and blues than jazz...
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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JLocke
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 12:34 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
These are the jazz guitarists I can mention without thinking too much:
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Barney Kassel
Herb Ellis
John McLaughlin
John Abercrombrie
Terje Rypdal
Eivind Aarset
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Cool list. Thanks, I'll check them out!
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JLocke
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 12:35 |
jampa17 wrote:
don't like jazz... it's too boring to me... I "get it" but can appriciate it... but I like some jazzy prog because it has what jazz do not have... energy and power... and that's what prog rock throw into the mix... so... I even prefer old rock'n'roll and blues than jazz... |
What Jazz have you been listening to? I've heard plenty of energetic Jazz tunes, and I don't know sh*t about it, for the most part.
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crimhead
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 12:46 |
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Equally. There is good and bad in both.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 12:50 |
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I'm sloooowly starting to expand my knowledge and appreciation of jazz by exploring the likes of Miles Davis and John Coltrane but I doubt it'll ever provide me with the kind of instant gratification my favourite prog bands tend to.
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Gentlegiantprog
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 12:54 |
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I don't like Jazz, its not that I DISLIKE Jazz but rather that I'm unexposed to it and have to further desire to become exposed.
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Let the maps of war be drawn !
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fuxi
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 12:56 |
kingfriso wrote:
I love jazz, but not as much as I love prog. Jazz has a lot of great technical musicians and soothing/stylish atmospheres, but it doesn't have a confronting lyrical/composition side. The songs are less memorable then prog epics. |
You should try classic Duke Ellington from the 1940s, the so-called Blanton-Webster band. It's incredibly lyrical and all the compositions are unforgettable. But it's "big band" music, which will take many people some getting used to. I'm speaking from experience. I myself was prejudiced against "big band" (and yes: SWING) to start with (it seemed so uncool) but just a few spins will show you how incredibly sophisticated it is. And if you want to go back even earlier in history: 1920s Louis Armstrong is as good at the blues as anything Eric Clapton or Jimmy Page ever recorded. Honestly!
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jampa17
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 12:57 |
p0mt3 wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
don't like jazz... it's too boring to me... I "get it" but can appriciate it... but I like some jazzy prog because it has what jazz do not have... energy and power... and that's what prog rock throw into the mix... so... I even prefer old rock'n'roll and blues than jazz... |
What Jazz have you been listening to? I've heard plenty of energetic Jazz tunes, and I don't know sh*t about it, for the most part. |
I knew someone would rain on me... well... I never said it was bad... when I said that it needs to be more energetic I meant metal or hard rock... I need it to keep it interesting... of course, in the accurate proportion but you get me...???
names of jazz bands...??? mmm... I have heard Dianna Krall, there's another girl with the same  music... and then some Jacko Pastorius and some other bands that I don't know their names but sounds the same... Chick Corea as well... Sorry... I don't put attention to the music that doesn't make the click with me...
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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theBox
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 13:03 |
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I don't particularly like jazz, but I enjoy the occasional jazzy prog. On the whole, I tend to be more on the composition/thematic development side of music rather than the improvisational.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 13:04 |
p0mt3 wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
These are the jazz guitarists I can mention without thinking too much:
*snip*
Barney Kassel
Herb Ellis
John McLaughlin
John Abercrombrie
Terje Rypdal
Eivind Aarset
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Cool list. Thanks, I'll check them out!
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Now that I see your selection, which consists of modern musicians, it's surprising to see that four of six were/are involved in fusion/jazz-rock projects. So it seems that the spread of the electric guitar in the jazz circles does have a lot to do with the rise of progressive music?
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