Vague description of "Crossover Prog"

Cristi wrote: yam yam wrote: Cristi wrote: If any artist takes offense at a genre tag, we'll tag them as they want to.  Ally Carter of the Emerald Dawn has tried at least three times to get his band shifted from Neo to Symphonic on PA. Firstly in January 2019, then again in April 2021, and he had a third attempt in October 2023. The band is still in Neo though lol! Some musicians really don't like being associated with that sub for some unknown (to me at least) reason.  She should feel good that their albums have been well received and are rated well.

It's a 'he' not a 'she' lol! Ally would probably be even more concerned about having a sex change than he is about having his music filed under Neo Prog. 

Cristi wrote: yam yam wrote: Cristi wrote: If any artist takes offense at a genre tag, we'll tag them as they want to.  Ally Carter of the Emerald Dawn has tried at least three times to get his band shifted from Neo to Symphonic on PA. Firstly in January 2019, then again in April 2021, and he had a third attempt in October 2023. The band is still in Neo though lol! Some musicians really don't like being associated with that sub for some unknown (to me at least) reason.  Here is where multiple tags would have solved the issue.  Symphonic prog would not be wrong for the band either.

Yes, it's a close call between those two subs for sure. Multiple tags on PA isn't going to happen in our lifetimes though (and certainly not in mine ).

Cristi wrote: yam yam wrote: Cristi wrote: Here is where multiple tags would have solved the issue.  Symphonic prog would not be wrong for the band either.  Yes, it's a close call between those two subs for sure. Multiple tags on PA isn't going to happen in our lifetimes though (and certainly not in mine ). I know it's not gonna happen, but it would have been cool if we had that. This "mistake" was fixed on the two sister sites.

MMA and JMA were launched in 2010 and 2011 if I recall correctly, presumably built using more powerful software than was available back in 2002 when this site first made its appearance. As another collab once said in an forum exchange about the unwanted code that often appears in some members' posts: "The forum software was invented at about the same time as the printing press". 

^ Indeed, though I guess that's simply because it had a significant head start over the other two sites, and at around 2010/2011 time was probably somewhere near its peak in terms of its overall relevance. Several members have stated their opinion that PA has gradually gone downhill over recent times, but that's true of every 'empire' that ever existed, so I guess was inevitable really. Nevertheless, I do think it will take quite some time yet for the other two sites to reach a similar level of popularity to PA - especially when quite a fair number of the artists that they feature can also be found here.

Hrychu wrote: Cristi wrote: One common point in both genres, guitarists worship the likes of Gilmour and Latimer. Non-British neo-prog is still neo-prog. What I mean is that nearly all Neo-Prog, especially the non-British acts that never participated in the true Neo-Prog movement, also fits the Crossover Prog criteria. I'm not saying it necessarily works the other way around. ;P

Edited by Cristi - December 29 2024 at 14:18

What about the neo-prog of Poland? Was that a movement or just Polish artists doing the sound of neo-prog? Big smileLOL

This is complex. The early Polish Neo-Prog bands (1980s) were part of a movement called Muzyka Młodej Generacji, and its most "proggy" representatives are labeled as Crossover Prog (Ogród Wyobraźni), Neo-Prog (Zjednoczone Siły Natury Mech) and Symphonic Prog (Exodus) here. That movement came into being out of musicians' will to replicate the Western late 70's art rock stylistics during the Martial Law (1981-1983) to give the public a glimpse of the 1st world.

As for the 90s+ Neo Prog bands, they're either offshoots of Collage/Satellite, bands inspired by Collage/Satellite or just prog rock bands without any clear intention of aiming for any Neo-Prog vibe.

Marillion were HUGE in late 80's and early 90's Poland, and the drummer Wojciech Szadkowski (of Collage, Satellite and Peter Pan) is a hardcore Marillion fan.

Well, it should be noted that in the 90's Polish Neo-Prog was indeed more Marillion-centric. After all, the effect of sudden attraction to Fish era Marillon after Tomasz Beksiński had introduced said band to the general public on his radio show (reminder: it was during the Martial Law and before the advent of world wide web) was still strong.