What is happening in Jerusalem?

I'm afraid we're past the tribal stage and into blood vendettas.

I don't see Israel attacking Iran but just pummeling the settlement areas. Unfortunately. 

The Dark Elf wrote: What is happening in Jerusalem? The same tribal bullsh*t that's been happening for the last 5000 years. You should be used to it by now.

As far as I can gather it was relatively stable for a very long time up until about 100 years ago; I don't think it's fair to talk about it as if conflict is just the natural result of its history, when the involved religious groups have been able to leave it alone for centuries at a time (though you might also just be comedically exaggerating the duration of the current conflict, then you can ignore this).

Lewian wrote: The Dark Elf wrote: What is happening in Jerusalem? The same tribal bullsh*t that's been happening for the last 5000 years. You should be used to it by now. I actually think that this situation including its long history, 2000 years of experience of the Jewish people with quite certainly the Holocaust having still a profound influence, and then the experience of the Palestinians who were living there in the meantime and had to move (or were moved) when the state of Israel was founded, is quite unique in human history. Very rarely two peoples with so different histories have a claim to the same area and can't really be expected to go elsewhere; and there's not really a very significant history of peaceful co-existence. Many members of both sides believe that the other side wants to get them out completely, and surely there are members of the respective other side that confirm these beliefs. The result is paranoia on both sides, actually very understandable paranoia that is easy to not take into account living in a relatively safe country that isn't involved in any current conflict like this. Sure the human obsession with their own "tribe"/people/nation is not exclusive to this conflict and plays a big role here, but looking at the history I find it comprehensible that and why both sides feel this fixation is essential for them to survive.  There's no easy solution and it's a very sad situation. I can feel with both sides  and indeed hope they get together peacefully somehow, but this is so easily said from the outside...

An excellent post that reminds us that this situation is as complex and convoluted as the people it's about. It's easy for people, including myself, to spout off simple one line solutions, but that's never what can happen to rectify this problem. As I understand, Israeli Arabs are a second class citizen in that country, so the divisions run deeper just a dispute over land boundaries. I don't see a simple solution, but that doesn't mean that they're can't be one. But it would take years if not decades to accomplish.

BaldFriede wrote: Sagichim wrote: The fact that he’s been living here for years doesn’t make him right, I’ve been living in Jerusalem for all my life, you don’t know me so don’t tell me he knows better. You can find A lot of Jerusalem natives including professors and journalists who cover this dispute for their entire professional career and they disagree between them, all have valid claims about every matter and it’s up to you to form your own views but you have to get to the bottom of every side. I have a lot of criticism to the government and I even have never voted for Netanyahu but I’m fair enough to say when we were wrong. The ones who completely favour one side without having any criticism clearly like this guy they are the ones who doesn’t want to see the truth. I know that there are places where Arabs were driven out but believe me there are many places where Jews were driven out too. My problem is that every dispute turns to a valid excuse for violence and murder by the Arab side. The problem is that with a hardliner like Netanyahu there will never be any peace. And with the so-called "nation-state law" that was introduced in 2018 Arabs have been declared 2nd-class citizens. For those who don't know the law: It states that “the right to exercise national self-determination” (comment by me: whatever that is) in Israel is “unique to the Jewish people.” It establishes Hebrew as Israel’s official language, and downgrades Arabic — a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis — to a “special status.” It establishes “Jewish settlement as a national value” and mandates that the state “will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development.” With this law Israel has more or less become an apartheid state.

The Israelis seem to have learned nothing from the Nazis. How ironic is that?

BaldFriede wrote: Sagichim wrote: The fact that he’s been living here for years doesn’t make him right, I’ve been living in Jerusalem for all my life, you don’t know me so don’t tell me he knows better. You can find A lot of Jerusalem natives including professors and journalists who cover this dispute for their entire professional career and they disagree between them, all have valid claims about every matter and it’s up to you to form your own views but you have to get to the bottom of every side. I have a lot of criticism to the government and I even have never voted for Netanyahu but I’m fair enough to say when we were wrong. The ones who completely favour one side without having any criticism clearly like this guy they are the ones who doesn’t want to see the truth. I know that there are places where Arabs were driven out but believe me there are many places where Jews were driven out too. My problem is that every dispute turns to a valid excuse for violence and murder by the Arab side. The problem is that with a hardliner like Netanyahu there will never be any peace. And with the so-called "nation-state law" that was introduced in 2018 Arabs have been declared 2nd-class citizens. For those who don't know the law: It states that “the right to exercise national self-determination” (comment by me: whatever that is) in Israel is “unique to the Jewish people.” It establishes Hebrew as Israel’s official language, and downgrades Arabic — a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis — to a “special status.” It establishes “Jewish settlement as a national value” and mandates that the state “will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development.” With this law Israel has more or less become an apartheid state.

What I cannot understand is why would a refugee camp that Gaza sadly and definitely is , have the wherewithal to possess thousands of rockets and the ability to launch them? 

tszirmay wrote: What I cannot understand is why would a refugee camp that Gaza sadly and definitely is , have the wherewithal to possess thousands of rockets and the ability to launch them?

According to the popular knowledge in Turkey, actually Israelis bought the land where Israel was founded, from the Arabs. (I made an anachronism here! They thereafter became the Israelis. )

Israel has a "dream agenda". So, if they were not confronted with "resistance", they would conquer/buy other lands to make their dream come true.

But honestly, which country doesn't have some wild dreams? We Turks have also a very big one. (Turan Ülküsü - The Turan Ideal, should be its English Translation.). But we are, instead the wasteyard of the West nowadays. We really buy garbage from Europe, that cannot dissolve in nature. I guess Germany should (mockingly) appreciate our stupidity!

Our latest scandal was, our workers in the tourism sector are/were wearing "I'm vaccinated, have fun :)" masks, which is like how the colonized countries behaved, when they meet their colonizer "masters". Yep, the foreign tourists are like our masters now, as they bring and spend money here! Ironic and sad that we Turks cannot go to the beaches because of the lockdown, and our tourists are free to do whatever they like.

Anyway, I believe every country has their own problems. Sorry for bothering you with some of ours. 

The Dark Elf wrote: SteveG wrote: tszirmay wrote: What I cannot understand is why would a refugee camp that Gaza sadly and definitely is , have the wherewithal to possess thousands of rockets and the ability to launch them?  They have friends and they have tunnels. Rather than food and healthcare aid for their people, the Palestinians receive weaponry from their titular benefactors, like Iran. For instance, a ship carrying 50 tons of advanced weaponry in route from Iran to Gaza that was captured by Israeli commandos in 2002. A peaceful transition to a separate Palestinian state makes the most sense; however, the words "peaceful" and "sense" were never words one can use in the Middle East. In the Middle East, the Shiites hate the Sunnis, the Sunnis and Shiites hate the Jews, and the Jews hate them all. It's a vicious circle with no resolution.

Your country seems far from being a saint in this regard... Anyway... My country is no saint, either. But, pardon me! You're too far away to be an actor here... Ah, like the Eagle, huh?

I strongly suggest that we stick to the current events, without "daring" to make convictions about the situation in the Middle East, especially from a very far country! OK?