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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2005 at 06:21

I dont think ELP is anti christians, i yust think they whona help everybody undearstand they dont need to be mindles slaves to a God that not exsists... After this life there will be no more so dont hope for a life after this becaus there is no, after this life your are gone forever... thats the truth and i think most people knows that in there hearts, religion is yust an excuse for doing things so you can blame all bad stuff on God, and so you can start wars and say it was God who told me to do it, yeah realy. I think if there is a God witsh ther is not, religons are the work of the devil and I think God whuld surly like us to think for our self.

Religon is causing much more bad thing on earth then good that i think atleast we all can agree on if there was no religon this world whuld be a much beter place to live on, then we whuldent have anything to dissagre on, but since the world is populated by a wake minded race that need somthing to belive in its never goona hepen and religon is goona be our death.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2005 at 08:00

 

  I agree with Ivan. If believers argue with atheists then atheists increase their venom and blasphemy and surely from the believers point of view that is not helpful for the atheists soul.

So kind treatment of atheists is needed . People are more interested in how much you care than how much you know. The practitioner of Christianity should be cultivating tolearnce as Jesus was tolerant.

 May the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ fall on the believer and the dormant soul alike

 for when the battle between good and evil is over soon oh soon the light

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2005 at 13:58
I like ThreeFate's point that Lake wrote they lyrics to
Mass and others at a very young age when many
(including myself) began to question institutionalized
religion. Other lyrics were written by Pete Sinfield,
though Lake certainly had no problem singing them.

I was curious though if Lake ever had made any kind
of commitment to religion, one way or the other.

I ask because I have a Michael Card CD called
Poeima (Card is a Christian songwriter/singer). On
the CD is a song called "The Greening of Belfast."
The song is about the tensions between the
Protestants and Catholics in Ireland. Listed on the
credits, along with about twenty other background
vocalists on that song, is "Greg Lake". No doubt
there are many Greg Lake's in the world, but I always
wondered if it was ELP's Greg Lake. Ultimately I
doubt it but was curious nonetheless.

Ultimately, religion and faith are such a personal
thing that opening this topic up for conversations
always starts some kind of flame war.   People are
passionate about the subject, one way or the other.

Pierre

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2005 at 15:14
Originally posted by Losendos Losendos wrote:

. The practitioner of Christianity should be cultivating tolearnce as Jesus was tolerant.


Actually, Yahshua was tolerant to a degree. Since He was the Son of God, He was as Holy as His Father. This means He does not only hate, but abhors all sin, and does not tolerate any of it. Yahshua was no tolerator of pagan, atheist or even weakminded behaviour.

One of the quotes maani often posts is 'go, and sin no more'. And I'd like to repeat it here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2005 at 15:25
Paul Giamatti fighting SUGAR PUFFS

V.S.

and yeah er i agree
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2005 at 17:01
Originally posted by Zargus Zargus wrote:

I dont think ELP is anti christians, i yust think they whona help everybody undearstand they dont need to be mindles slaves to a God that not exsists... After this life there will be no more so dont hope for a life after this becaus there is no, after this life your are gone forever... thats the truth and i think most people knows that in there hearts, religion is yust an excuse for doing things so you can blame all bad stuff on God, and so you can start wars and say it was God who told me to do it, yeah realy. I think if there is a God witsh ther is not, religons are the work of the devil and I think God whuld surly like us to think for our self.

Religon is causing much more bad thing on earth then good that i think atleast we all can agree on if there was no religon this world whuld be a much beter place to live on, then we whuldent have anything to dissagre on, but since the world is populated by a wake minded race that need somthing to belive in its never goona hepen and religon is goona be our death.

Almost as bad an argument as it is written.

No wonder you don't agree with religion, it is to much for you to understand.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2005 at 19:52
So many non believers on here trying to tell others that God doesn't exist and they cannot begin to figure out exactly who or what is driving them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2005 at 20:03
[QUOTE=AtomHeartMother][QUOTE=Zargus]

Religon is causing much more bad thing on earth then good that i think atleast we all can agree on if there was no religon this world whuld be a much beter place to live on, then we whuldent have anything to dissagre on, but since the world is populated by a wake minded race that need so mthing to belive in its never goona hepen and religon is goona be our death.

 

No religion and nothing to disagree on has already been tried in the Soviet Union, East Germany, Romania , Albania , China and North Korea. Atheists can be more intolerant of other's views than religionists ( note that Hitler , Stalin and Mao were avowed atheists ). Also it is not weak minded to acknowledge someone far greater than oneself but a sign of character.

 May Jesus  Christ , Buddha , Krishna and Allah bless all the prog fans

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2005 at 02:04

Originally posted by Fragile Fragile wrote:

So many non believers on here trying to tell others that God doesn't exist and they cannot begin to figure out exactly who or what is driving them.

Don't weep about it hun. Look at the bastards and LAUGH. Likewise look at the fundamentalist christians wacking others over the head with their pamphlets (such as the ones in town who tried to convince me that I'm the spawn of satan because I'm a CATHOLIC) and laugh.

Laugh laugh laugh away and be happy you're not them and *content* with your spirituality. If you worry about them- worry more about yourself.

Can you say "misguided" and "lost"? I can!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2005 at 12:10
Originally posted by Losendos Losendos wrote:

[QUOTE=AtomHeartMother][QUOTE=Zargus]

Religon is causing much more bad thing on earth then good that i think atleast we all can agree on if there was no religon this world whuld be a much beter place to live on, then we whuldent have anything to dissagre on, but since the world is populated by a wake minded race that need so mthing to belive in its never goona hepen and religon is goona be our death.

 

No religion and nothing to disagree on has already been tried in the Soviet Union, East Germany, Romania , Albania , China and North Korea. Atheists can be more intolerant of other's views than religionists ( note that Hitler , Stalin and Mao were avowed atheists ). Also it is not weak minded to acknowledge someone far greater than oneself but a sign of character.

 May Jesus  Christ , Buddha , Krishna and Allah bless all the prog fans

ooo but i do belive there is far greater things then my self, i belive in Life on other planets and i belive there is a univesrse with millions of galaxys, the problem i have with beliving in God is that i dont think if he exists that he give a sh*t about us, and where does he live on mars or a cloude in the sky? and how can all people live in paradise it must be overloded with peopel if every human that have ever lived is going there when they die... there is to much stuff in the bibel that dont make sens and yust sounds like fery tales.

But i dont hate people who belive in God or Gods o whatever i yust say what i think, and i know i sucks at speling and im not very smart, sorry. Meby im to stupid to belive in god 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2005 at 15:59

Dear friends, those who support my opinions at least,

I am leaving this site. I intended to do it since the inclusion of Radiohead (which I oppose), but I feel it especially below my dignity to read the reviews and opinions of people 90% of whom are religious lunatics.

Oh, internet! Thank you for choosing my society for me!

I no longer trust the moderators. One of them showed himself not only a loony but a professional charlatan. The other moderators included Queen, and other bands whose progressiveness I very much doubt.

The site is undergoing a rapid expansion with being inclusive rather than exclusive, but I feel this practice is very harmful. It will end up being no better than amazon.com. Haven't the moderators thought of selling some merchandise yet?

The forum is childish, rude and often obscene. I was genuinely shocked when I first discovered it (I had thought that the prog listeners were mostly rational intellectuals). The messages the people write and the language they use do not leave the room for a self-respected person to be here any more.

I will probably drop in on progarchives now and then to check some factual information on some bands, but I am pulling out of writing reviews and discussing anything with vulgar people on the forum. There are many intellectual prog sites on the web, albeit not so complete and not so well organised. But I hope it is easier to breathe there.

http://www.mwillett.org/

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2005 at 17:45

THE RE-INCARNATION OF ADOLF HITLER IS LEAVING!!!

Sink back into your shallow pool of narrowness oh cold-hearted ghoul.

"Ding dong the witch is dead!!!"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2005 at 18:40

, the problem i have with beliving in God is that i dont think if he exists that he give a sh*t about us, and where does he live on mars or a cloude in the sky?

Actually he cares a lot but if you want to live in a world separate from God he gives you that freedom. So if you want to love him he reciprocates and if you want to be independent he loves you still and lets you try.It seems that you don't really disbelieve in God but are just a bit uncertain due to lack of information.

 

 

and how can all people live in paradise it must be overloded with peopel if every human that have ever lived is going there when they die...

Well even this universe in inconceivably large and you concede the possibility of other universes.

 

 

 there is to much stuff in the bibel that dont make sens and yust sounds like fery tales.

The bible is just one scripture and may not be the best.I accept that it is imperfect but I still think there is enough there to get one moving spiritually

But i dont hate people who belive in God or Gods o whatever i yust say what i think, and i know i sucks at speling and im not very smart, sorry. Meby im to stupid to belive in god

 I don't recommend blind faith but nowadays more often I see blind doubt. In answer to Greg Lakes's question why did God lose 6 million Jews the reply I would give is that the people who killed the Jews Hitler Himmler Goering and Goebles were  atheists following a Godless philosophy. And pure atheism has never been followed through as a philosphy. If we are just chemicals set to flap for some time why are people punished for their crimes. It is because the individual ( soul) has choices beyond their bodily structure. When a person dies we say Fred is gone but Fred's body is still there. So Fred is something beyond the body.

Jesus Allah Yahweh Krishna Rama Buddha

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2005 at 18:48
Originally posted by Starette Starette wrote:

Can you say "misguided" and "lost"? I can!



May I point out Matthew 5: 43-48 and all sortlike passages in the gospels?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2005 at 19:19
Why does it upset christians to ask the obvious questions?Greg Lake is asking why?He is not saying god dosnt exist.He is just asking the age old questons.How come the church burned Bruno at the stake?It is because they cant take it when they are proven wrong on anything.I think ELP,Jethro Tull,Black Sabbath,King Diamond,Pink Floyd and all others who might challange religion are doing a service.Yes we all need ethics but not christian ethics.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2005 at 19:35
Someone needs to lock this post. I didn't mean for it to become such an intense religous  discussion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2005 at 19:57
Originally posted by Arteum Arteum wrote:

The forum is childish, rude and often obscene. I was genuinely shocked when I first discovered it (I had thought that the prog listeners were mostly rational intellectuals). The messages the people write and the language they use do not leave the room for a self-respected person to be here any more.

I will probably drop in on progarchives now and then to check some factual information on some bands, but I am pulling out of writing reviews and discussing anything with vulgar people on the forum. There are many intellectual prog sites on the web, albeit not so complete and not so well organised. But I hope it is easier to breathe there.

http://www.mwillett.org/

 

I was not going to comment until I read this!  I all have to say is

 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2005 at 20:01
Originally posted by JrKASperov JrKASperov wrote:

Originally posted by Arteum Arteum wrote:

"How can I possibly convey the power of this experience to you so that you believe that what I experienced let me know it was the Truth? I can't."

Just as a looney in a mental home cannot convince me that elephants are red and they can fly. You must become a loony yourself to "experience" the elephant airshows.



Here is exactly where your logic and reason ends. Assuming that religion is the same as something that is supposed to be portrayed as something outrageously impossible. This is based on nothing except your own expectations that faith or Christianity in this case is false. There it all stops.

It's funny because you remind me of the Aristoteleans in the Middle Ages who were fought against so hard during the Scientific Revolution. They held to something(the Aristotelean worldview) without considering other views. It stopped the development of science, because of a worldview. Only when people like Kepler, Descartes and Newton came to say: 'hey, maybe something else is true' progress was made. The starting point of thinking one view is right and the other is not is exactly the antithesis of science, or at least the scientific method. That is why your reason and logic is so flawed, based on a world that does not in any way support you.

the Aristoteleans actually believed flies had 8 legs because Aristotle had written so. nobody ever counted them for centuries. no joke, this is really true!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2005 at 20:22

BaldJean:

You mean...they don't?!! ()

Starette:

At the risk of sounding "chastising," your enlightenment is not increased by calling people "bastards."  Nor would it seem the "Christian" thing to do to be "laughing" at the "misguided" and "lost."  Rather, we should be expressing agape love and praying for them.  After all, if you ask yourself "What would Jesus do?" in this situation, I would have to doubt that He would be following your advice...

Arteum:

"Charlatan?"  Although I don't worry about "words" (think "sticks and stones..."), it should be instructive to you that even the most ardent of your supporters here would almost certainly never use that particular word to describe me.  Zealous?  Sure.  Devout?  Yup.  Fanatical?  Possibly.  But "charlatan?"

According to Webster's, a charlatan is "one making usually showy pretenses to knowledge or ability.  A fraud or faker."  My claims to "knowledge or ability" were never "showy" nor "pretenses," but were always backed up by solid supporting evidence.  Yours, on the other hand, were "showy pretenses" since you never once offered one shred of support for your claims of "knowledge or ability."  As for "fraud or faker," I may be incorrect in my knowledge or understanding of something, but I never make claims that are in any way deliberately or consciously phony or fraudulent.  Since you never provided any support - whether legitimate or phony - for any of your claims, we cannot know if you are a "fraud or faker," so you get to wheedle out of that one.

Still, I am going to miss our stimulating debate.  It certainly kept me on my toes.

Peace.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2005 at 22:30

Originally posted by Arteum Arteum wrote:

The forum is childish, rude and often obscene.

And you certainly contributed in that respect, didn't you?  

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