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Sean Trane 
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 Posted: December 10 2022 at 02:07 |
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   Let's get back to those sudden-death overtime (called "golden goal" in football), even if it would have only solved the Brazil - Croatia game differently (the other way around) This is a totally f**ked up WC ... The first semi finalist won only one game (against Canada) in 5 games 
Didn't see the game (I took advantage of the empty Dutch roads to travel as quick as I ever done back to Brussels)  , but I only counted 16, 8 apart, one leading to a red card.Of course, it takes two to tango, but I see the Dutch are back with their historic mentality of "intimidatie voetbal" (I don't think I need to translate... easy enough to convert). .
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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moshkito
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Posted: December 10 2022 at 06:28 |
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Hi, Having seen some games going back to 1958, I have to say that finally seeing some different teams be better than simple doormats, neat and exciting. The game has improved by leaps and bounds and the western world (specially Europe) has this idea that they are the only ones that look at notebooks and decipher the plays and design them accordingly. Basically thinking that Africa and Asia can't compete because they aren't that smart ... guess again. I'm ready for more screw ups ... it is making this whole thing neat, special and one that we will remember! There was a time when I kinda lived and died with Brazil ... no more ... I got tired of all the cosmetics and all the advertising, and all the commercial BS that pretty much ruined the teams ability to work together, and it showed ... you can not go to the WC with Neymar and no one else. And it was quite visible in the Croatia game, that ended up giving Neymar a supreme goal, but in the end, it was all Neymar could do ... nothing else that helped the team enough. To me, the teams that have been doormats for a long time, are the ones that are making history ... even if we do not exactly like to see it. For the past 30 years, I've wanted to see the USA get ahead, only to fall even further behind, and the softening of the criticism on this cup on the team, is bizarre ... now the kids will think they don't need to do a whole lot more to get better ... and play with the big boys and men, instead of all the low level teams that the current coach picked on to ensure he had a positive bunch of results! He would have been lucky to break even, and have a much tougher team, if they had played more European teams ... but the USA chickened out ... they didn't want to get tougher because the coach thought the team would demoralize with too many losses. The one thing I don't like is the crap shoot. I really think the Penalty Shoot-Outs is a problem and not a good solution, but too many teams are playing the defensive game to see them make it to the end ... and it always has surprises here, because on any given day, there will be more than one bad dog! And a team less interested in fathotdogs, than they were in winning the game by making sure they put away the penalties! I don't have an answer ... but I would hate to see one team win 8 games in a row (or more when enlarged) and average 4-1 scores ... and by the time the 2nd half starts you and I are asleep in the couch!
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moshkito
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Posted: December 10 2022 at 09:59 |
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Hi,
And the Ronaldo saga is over ... Morocco took down Portugal! Unreal!!!
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Posted: December 10 2022 at 10:08 |
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Posted: December 10 2022 at 10:14 |
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3 perfect results for me, so far in the quarter finals! I don't care about the next match's result.
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moshkito
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Posted: December 10 2022 at 22:30 |
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Hi,
Well ... only three games left. Actually 4 but we usually don't care about the 3rd place game, and never remember them! Argentina should/could handle Croatia is my choice, but we have to see one or more assists from Messi for it to happen ... which would show that Croatia could handle Messi, but not his assists! And France should/could handle Morocco, but with all trepidations, I would not be surprised if this team pulls off one more shocker ... though I think their magic story is over with France. An Argentina/France final would be what think is coming. According to many folks now, the referees hurt Portugal a lot with the Argentine referee, whistling at bad times, but I think that is more bad apples than it is what Morocco achieved, which I think was deserved.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: December 11 2022 at 02:47 |
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Two good games yesterday and Morrocco was much more convincing against Por than against Spa. It
kind of makes you wonder about Belgium's "poor" performance in the
group/pool stage, because they were ousted by two semi-finalists. Arguably England was better than France, even there is justice with the second penalty shot missed. Sure there was a foul, but there was no way the dude was going to be there on time for the ball before LLoris would've caught it. OK, I went 2-2 on the quarters.  Semifinal winners Arg - Cro Mor - Fra Edited by Sean Trane - December 11 2022 at 02:50 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
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Posted: December 11 2022 at 04:08 |
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Yeah, somewhat boringly I also predict an Argentina-France final, but of course after all we've seen it may very well be that we see one or even two different teams there. I'm somewhat more confident Argentina would beat France in the final than them dealing with Croatia, but Argentina seem more professional and less affected by a sense of entitlement than Brasil, so maybe they can really win the trophy. Both France and Argentina seem that one bit further when it comes to creativity but also discipline, organisation, and work ethics than Brasil and Portugal. As for Morocco, their organisation is incredibile. Still only one goal conceded all tournament including a shootout, and that was an own goal. That goalkeeper is unreal, but also the position play of the defenders is at a level I've never seen from an African team and hardly ever outside that continent. In the past I loved Moroccan football but it was all attack and often too naive in the defense... I'm totally impressed how they pull this off. And actually I agree they did better against Portugal... in fact Portugal did more than Spain as well, of course everybody's going on about Ronaldo, but actually they played OK including Ronaldo himself. As well as did England (and the Netherlands), in football just one team has to lose, tough luck.
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Posted: December 11 2022 at 04:18 |
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By the way I'll always support penalty shoot-outs as a decider. In fact I think 30 minutes extra time and then penalties is a good rule because ultimately somebody has to lose and more than 30 minutes extra may not be good for players' health. Penalties are at least some kind of football and I find them entertaining, for sure better than drawing lots or some other strange rule such as who had more shots on goal, fewer yellow cards in the tournament or whatnot. I don't even quite get why so many seem to be so negative about them, and what their preferred alternatives are... OK Golden Goal, didn't seem much better when it was in effect for some time. Also I'm keen on giving the team that concedes a goal a chance to equalise and win it themselves... greatest game of the 20th century was Italy-Germany 4-3 in Mexico they say, Golden Goal would have robbed a generation of that game. I also loved to see Croatia coming back against Brasil.
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Posted: December 11 2022 at 05:22 |
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I feel for Harry Kane - the amount of pressure on that penalty would have made most people a pile of quivering jelly - but there's no guarantee we would have won if he'd scored it anyway.
Most of the team are pretty young and have another couple of World Cups in them, so here's to the next one.
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Posted: December 11 2022 at 06:31 |
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Posted: December 11 2022 at 06:47 |
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England played well, France were more ruthless. Tough game someone had to lose. I seen online complaints about the refereeing in the Arg-Ned game and the Eng-Fra game. While the Arg-Ned ref was awful I didn't see bias to Arg. I didn't see much wrong with the ref in Eng-Fra.
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Posted: December 11 2022 at 11:50 |
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Morocco!
 I can see them even beating France! We will see in a couple of days.Argentina Croatia also should be a good match as Croatia have shown to be a great side as well. We will see if Messi can make it to his 2nd final.
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Posted: December 11 2022 at 15:55 |
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That was a horrible penalty shot from Kane. He has a habit of going to his left on penalties, as he did with his first penalty shot in that game, and most goalkeepers seem to know this. Having done the predictable and gone to his left, seeing the goalkeeper go the right way Kane tried to lift the ball over him and put it way over the top. All of that could have been avoided if Kane just for once changed his penalty shooting routine and went the other way.
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Posted: December 13 2022 at 20:47 |
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Messi and Argentina are through!!! I would love to see a France Argentina final over a Morocco Argentina final, just because I think it'll be a better match....
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blatant foul through the back of Saka , lead to the first France goal (grey area whether VAR could intervene) blatant foul through the back of Kane, possibly outside the area but should have been a free kick (again uncertain whether VAR could conclusively give a penalty and VAR doesn't award free kicks) blatant foul on Mount, VAR directed the referee to look at the monitor and penalty given. You could argue he wanted to let the game flow but these were very bad challenges imo. |
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Hi, Until such a time when FIFA takes the game away from the hands of the referees, and makes VAR a more valuable and important decision maker in the game ... I think that the game of "soccer" will continue to have referees that are the pits and are making obvious errors intentionally, since they believe that the audience is stupid and can not see it ... like there is no TV or camera on every second of the game! In the end, the game needs to come up to the technical standards that TV is adding to the various games. There is no hassle with it on baseball, basketball, and American football, so idiots like FIFA continuing to remain "old fashioned" are doing the new generations of TV watchers a gross error in judgement, that might hurt the game. The game DOES NOT GET HURT when things are resolved properly ... what bothers me is when the obvious (specially!!!) is intentionally ignored and the referee thought to be a good one to be in the World Cup which kinda suggests that he has been a part of many "decisions" that favored the Federation's motives, and not necessarily the team it hurt. And this needs to stop! We all can see the game, except FIFA that is playing the blind game. I've met blind folks that are smarter and more intelligent!
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You are insane if you think FIFA are directing referees to deliberately ignore some fouls for nefarious reasons. If you get caught doing that as a referee your career is over. They are fallible humans and some are more fallible than others. Put your tinfoil hat back on and go back in your bunker.
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Posted: December 14 2022 at 13:59 |
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Glad, I can root for my second favorite team- Argentina.
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Posted: December 14 2022 at 14:15 |
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Argentina against France in the final...not bad for the neutral viewer. Since my team sunk to the bottom and disappointed greatly, which made it impossible to dream of getting through even the group stage, a finale between two great teams like this is at least a small band aid on my bleeding wounds...
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