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Flight123 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 01 2010 Location: Sohar, Oman Status: Offline Points: 1399 |
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I can believe it. Normally, I see the funny side to most things but this is no laughing matter. Four days on I am still disgusted and ashamed. From that great album by Slapp Happy/Henry Cow, 'we recognised Europe, and broke down and cried...'
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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There is a list of examples of EU referendums circulating on social media by Remainers that purports to give precedence that a referendum result can be ignored. Again this list was created by a Leave supporter (MEP and Brexit campaigner Daniel Hannon) to be used in the eventuality of the Leave vote failing and it is just as farcical since it sets no such precedent. As I said, the referendum result is approval to leave, it is not legally binding as such. In order to leave the British Government has to invoke Article 50. Juncker is pressing for the UK to invoke it immediately, Cameron said emphatically in his resignation speech that he will leave that to his successor, which means it will not happen until October... As much as I dislike David Cameron I cannot deny that as a career politician with a degree in PPE (aka the blagger's degree) he is both politically smart and politically astute. He will still go down in history as the PM that lost the EU Referendum but he will not be the PM who pulled the plug on the EU and potentially trigger, and oversee, the breakup of the Union. That dubious honour falls on his replacement which is why there isn't a mad scramble for party leadership following his resignation and why Boris and his cohorts are apparently backpedaling on so many of the promises they made during the campaign.
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ALotOfBottle ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 17 2016 Location: Lublin, Poland Status: Offline Points: 1990 |
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You know you are a Henry Cow fan, when you've even got the same political views and use quotes from their pieces to describe the surrounding world. ![]() |
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Categories strain, crack and sometimes break, under their burden - step out of the space provided.
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21319 |
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Some of these are quite good, I particularly like the cat outside #10
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Mascodagama ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 5111 |
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My sentiments exactly.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Now they can write lyrics to Desperate Straights...
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emigre80 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 25 2015 Location: kentucky Status: Offline Points: 2223 |
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My British husband (we reside in the US) came home Friday night and announced "I'm going to seek solace in alcohol."
We're both still incredibly upset.
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someone_else ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24638 |
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Sometimes it amazes me how opposite motives can cause the same reaction. Anti-EU as I am, my thought on hearing the result was "Nunc est bibendum
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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This morning I received a text from my elderly cousin living in Dortmund asking me to support her as she was launching a petition on the grounds that non-resident British passport holders were excluded from voting in the referendum (since she has lived in Germany more than 15 years so wasn't eligible for a postal vote). She recognised that this was a Quixotic move that would come to nothing but her level of upset is understandable and she felt she had to do something.
Unfortunately within minutes of me agreeing to support her (even though I don't believe any retrospective action will, or should, change anything) she text'd me back saying her son had convinced her to reconsider as she would not be able to cope with the inevitable backlash this would provoke. |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37232 |
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I hold a British passport, but I don't think people who are British by descent (I was born a British citizen simply because my father was English) and are non-residents should get a vote. Nor do I like the idea that people who have been non-residents for many years should get a vote. In my case, what makes me most British is that I watch a lot of British TV, do cryptic crossword puzzles, like to make puns, love roast beef and Yorkshire pudding, and love Marmite and Stilton.
Actually, maybe could it open it to some more provided that they can quote enough Monty Python. Edited by Logan - June 27 2016 at 12:13 |
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13228 |
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Yes, but do you also have bad teeth?
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21319 |
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I'm the same, I haven't lived in England for 18 years & didn't inquire about voting. I hold 2 passports, UK & USA. I still feel very British watching EPL, following all the sports, the wife does a lovely Sunday lunch with roast beef & yorkshire puddings. We watch loads of British television. We import marmite & chocolate. I'm currently sitting at work in my England shirt waiting for the match to kick-off. I do have bad teeth by American standards but they are nuts about that stuff.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Oh great, just what we need. Bad teeth jokes.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37232 |
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I hold three passports, Brit/Canada/Australia which makes me feel very connected to the Commonwealth. I grew up in a very English part of Vancouver, Canada and have lived most of my life in Canada. I used to complain to my parents about having so many English friends, as I didn't think it good integration, but British culture, and a sense of Britishness, is such a big part of my identity. My mum is Australian, but at her school they were to taught to speak with a British accent and most Australians think she is English. Britain leaving the EU may scupper my plans to move to Europe. I have good teeth, as did my father, but I do have rather bad breath, mostly due to all of the Marmite and Stilton (doesn't really give bad breath). Side-note: Since immigration played an important role in people wanting to leave the EU, I wonder if people would be more pleased to welcome migrants who also admire Monty Python? I think I'd like, say, Anjem Choudary more if he loved Monty Python (not that he's a migrant, but first generation, and doesn't consider himself to be British). Edited by Logan - June 27 2016 at 13:38 |
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CPicard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 03 2008 Location: Là, sui monti. Status: Offline Points: 10841 |
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Well, with the pound quickly falling down, one can expect British people not being able to pay for their dentist's fee. |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37232 |
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Ah, the penny drops.... ![]() |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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I take it that economics isn't really one of your strong points.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37232 |
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Although Shakespearean comedy made particularly unfunny by me should not get a word in, but the 48% who voted remain called the results a "Comedy of Errors", the 52% who voted leave said of the results "All's Well That Ends Well" and a number of the eligible people who didn't vote called it "Much Ado About Nothing". Jeremy Corbyn decried the results as "Love's Labour's Lost", and David Cameron found the whole thing a Tempest. Okay, Measure for Measure, a pretty poor attempt. I'm no Bill Maher. Edited by Logan - June 27 2016 at 15:02 |
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A Person ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
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Well that would probably be bad if the dentists made you pay in USD. I think the GBP is still at like 1.33 tho Edited by A Person - June 27 2016 at 15:06 |
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65603 |
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Sometimes an event has to actually occur for people to understand the reality of it, the gravity. The one good thing to come may be a greater appreciation of what one has, what it means to be part of a larger whole versus by oneself. I like the Churchill quote Dean posted about England 'Looking to the sea', it's romantic and I'm sure speaks to many. But the feeling of loss appears quite high right now, and will probably smart for months.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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