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Floydoid
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This looks like typical troll type behaviour - a newly registered account makes one provocative post to get everyone arguing, only for the OP never to return to it.
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'We're going to need a bigger swear jar.'
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verslibre
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Have we arrived at a consensus?
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Psychedelic Paul
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Yes, it does seem distinctly odd that Jeeglefun joined PA at 18:21 on December 21st and his last visit was just two minutes later at 18:23.
Edited by Psychedelic Paul - 20 hours 21 minutes ago at 10:09 |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Not to be mean but a lot of so called prog isn't exactly progressive. A case in point would be neo-prog. Most (if not all of it) does not push boundaries or do anything truly progressive. It is mostly a rehash of older prog with a more contemporary (and even stripped down) element. Rush in the 70s and 80s weren't really doing anything that hadn't been done before. They were influenced by KC, Yes and Genesis but with a heavier element. So yeah Rush were prog but were they progressive in the literal sense of the word? Not so much imo.
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verslibre
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There's progressive in the literal sense of the word and there's capital "P" Prog, which is what most of the bands we listen to fall under.
Maybe it should be called "art rock," but I don't think that's going to catch on now. |
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Logan
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I'd rather put most of what I listen to under the small p (adjective label) than the big P (noun/genre) label. I'm not a big fan of tons of generic/ stereotypical Prog. More so, I would put music I like under the art label, however.
Aside from having Prog genre albums, I think Rush's music progressed from album to album in that it changed and adapted with the times. |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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That's true to a great degree even though they were doing proggy prog in the late 70s and early 80s when that was no longer fashionable. Signals and GUP were both very new wave influenced but 19993's Counterparts was more hard rock than it was grunge. They never really took the grunge route. After that more hard rock and semi-metal (kind of like their debut but more modern sounding).
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David_D
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Actually, "progressive" is just a word which can be and has been used in many different ways/meanings. |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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verslibre
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Right, David, but remember, we're talking about music — specifically the music discussed and archived on this site. Context is everything. |
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The Dark Elf
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They were "prog-rock" at one point, but coming after most of the major pioneer acts of the late 60s/early 70s, I wouldn't say they were "progressive".
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David_D
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Right, and to me in this context, "progressive" is also just a part of the genre name "Progressive Rock". |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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verslibre
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Which takes us full circle to progressive (adj., relating to or characterized by interest in new ideas) and capital "P" you/know/what. |
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David_D
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and we could continue because "Actually, "progressive" is just a word which can be and has been......" |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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richardh
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Well the OP used the shortened term ''prog'' in the thread title which I've always taken to mean 'of a style' rather than 'progressive' in terms of an idea. But I still think Rush represented a major shake up of the genre and moved it forward in the late seventies when the major bands like ELP and Yes were doing nothing new. So they were both imo. Many don't find their music elegant as such and the lack of a full time keyboard player might not have helped perhaps so that could be a reason why they are so often considered not as important. I've seen the weird backlash against them on here for a while and also online with some like Andy Edwards consider their fans to be 'zealots' (but to be fair he also raises this point about Pink Floyd fans as well). They seem though to have a very nice intellegent fanbase (from a distance) but I would say that wouldn't I? They also attract the slightly nerdy and very harmless rock fan who likes their sc-fi.
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verslibre
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Yes, I've no doubt that's how they meant it. (Are "they" still a member...?)
I've not caught a whiff of any general "backlash" here, but I know some members aren't fans. As far as zealotry, that's characteristic of many artists' fanbases, e.g. those belonging to Rush, Marillion, Dream Theater, Yes, Floyd, Crimson, Tangerine Dream, etc. It is what it is. |
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Saperlipopette!
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^ & ^^ I do wish Rush had somehow managed to keep the heavy, Hard Rock-punch of their earliest albums (Working Man in particular) into their Prog Rock-era. But people claiming that they are simply Hard Rock or Heavy Rock aren't listening properly. I know I don't need to tell any of you, but I'm gonna write it anyway: Those who actually listen will notice the band's growth and a willingness to change from album to album (up to point). They've got plenty of complexity and sophisticated compositions to match their relatively impressive playing as well. It should be enough for anyone to acknowledge them as "Prog enough". Rush surely sound unmistakably like themselves as well. That should count for something imo.
Personally I love less than an hour worth of Rush' music in total. But it's for similar reasons that I don't enjoy classic Yes as much as "everyone else" - or the fact that I don't like ELP at all. It's about preferences, not a measurement of progressiveness. We all have them, preferences I mean. Andy Edwards is good fun, and he knows his stuff. But provoking certain fanbases is part of his business model, isn't it? I mean he usually make sure to tell viewers that he loves the bands he's got on his overrated this or that lists or whatever. Except for Van Morrison and his godawful Astral Weeks) - and I 100% agreed with him. My favorite video of his among the twenty or so I've seen. I think I even laughed out loud a couple of times. |
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verslibre
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Have you heard Vapor Trails? |
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Saperlipopette!
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^ I'm thinking more about that thick, crunchy and heavy riff sound. That kind of punch. Working Man is the closest I ever heard a Rush-riff resembling Doom Metal. I prefer the drum sound too, although the drummer is no Neil Peart:). It's meatier. One Little Victory, although very "Metal" has virtually nothing of the qualities I'm thinking of. It does have other qualities, and I don't mind the track though.
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Sean Trane
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I have a hard time calling everything from Signals (81) until Vapor (2004?) "prog" (in the wider sense of the word) indeed Even the last two (CA and S&A) are slightly so.
Genesis: 10 (from FGTR to Duke) Rush: 7 (from FBN to MP, plus maybe the last two)
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Saperlipopette!
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