Is Rush prog
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Topic: Is Rush prog
Posted By: jeeglefun
Subject: Is Rush prog
Date Posted: December 21 2024 at 18:23
| Is Rush progressive |
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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: December 21 2024 at 18:31
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Yes ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 21 2024 at 18:47
| In terms of their whole catalogue a lot isn't. However they were certainly very influential in helping to create progressive metal and heavier prog styles with the albums 2112, A Farewell To Kings and Hemispheres. They then moved towards an artier 'synth pop' style in the 80's before eventually returning to a harder rock style in the 90's partly as a result of the rise of 'grunge' in North America I suspect |
Posted By: Jacob Schoolcraft
Date Posted: December 21 2024 at 20:38
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They are not always "straight up" Rock . I've read comments where people attempt to make the band look small in comparison to the big 5 or 6 . I've heard musicians say..."It's easy to play " Maybe it's not overly difficult to learn, but try playing 2112 , tracks from Hemispheres...Live 5 nights a week . Yeah...let's see what happens then? People have said their music is not difficult to play...however try putting yourself to the test by playing their music every week and see if you don't begin making mistakes? The difficulty in performing Rush every week is being consistent every night in getting the breaks clean and the dynamics perfect. Even after you have their pieces memorized you are bound for mistakes on stage. It's not like playing regular Rock on stage and close your eyes and not have to pay attention and so Rush has to be identified as being progressive right? |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: December 22 2024 at 00:11
| Sure they are. Rush have probably recorded more Progressive Rock albums/material in total than Genesis. |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: December 22 2024 at 00:43
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According to the documentary series "Metal Evolution" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Evolution" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Evolution ), Episode 11 - "Progressive Metal", Rush were pretty much at the start of Progressive Metal (which is a much broader subgenre in the documentary series than in Prog Archives). ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 22 2024 at 00:43
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There's a huge thread about this still active (and i bet this was discussed to death in the past) https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=126250&PID=5889315" rel="nofollow - https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=126250&PID=5889315 I wonder how much off-topic-ness is in that thread though.  |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: December 22 2024 at 01:10
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hrotod wrote:Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: December 22 2024 at 02:01
| ^ Either you get it or you don't. Three days in with your new account, and you're already boring me. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: December 22 2024 at 02:22
Personally, I'd say they were progressive between Fly By Night and Permanent Waves (you might stretch this to Moving Pictures). Others may have a different view, which I'd respect. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: December 22 2024 at 02:24
hmm... I think we might have another Pedro on our hands...  ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 22 2024 at 02:35
or rather a Svetty clone.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: December 22 2024 at 03:28
| Is this even in question? Note that the TO didn't bother to set a question mark, let alone any other relevant input. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 22 2024 at 03:33
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: December 22 2024 at 04:18
Interesting idea using a Genesis as a unit of measure for proginess. For example, Pawn Hearts might have a proginess of 1.5 Genesises, whereas Moving Pictures might have a proginess of only 0.9 Genesises.  ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: December 22 2024 at 08:20
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Nothing says snooty elitism from high atop the ivory tower like some comments on a progressive rock message board. Come for the music, stay for the drama ------------- We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 22 2024 at 08:38
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In his article from 2002 about Rush, entitled ""Let Them All Make Their Own Music": Idividualism, Rush, and the Progressive / Hard Rock Alloy, 1976-77", musicologist Durrell S. Bowman writes that "On the whole, Rush's music is best termed "progressive hard rock"." * As I see it, Rush are something like being on the borderline between progressive Hard Rock and Progressive Rock, but more on the Prog side. ( * as published in the book Progressive Rock Reconsidered (2002, p. 189) edited by Kevin Holm-Hudson) ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 22 2024 at 10:32
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Suspicious topic and account, but... I think Rush is progressive as the sound changed throughout the career, and I would describe albums by Rush as Progressive Rock -- some more than others. I wouldn't call the debut Progressive Rock, but I would call Hemispheres (an album I have adored) Progressive Rock for shizz. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: December 22 2024 at 10:42
| ^This |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 22 2024 at 12:37
I think, really many progressive artists with a definition like this.  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: December 23 2024 at 09:52
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This looks like typical troll type behaviour - a newly registered account makes one provocative post to get everyone arguing, only for the OP never to return to it. ------------- 'We're going to need a bigger swear jar.' |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 23 2024 at 10:03
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Have we arrived at a consensus? ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 23 2024 at 10:08
Yes, it does seem distinctly odd that Jeeglefun joined PA at 18:21 on December 21st and his last visit was just two minutes later at 18:23.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: December 23 2024 at 10:27
| Not to be mean but a lot of so called prog isn't exactly progressive. A case in point would be neo-prog. Most (if not all of it) does not push boundaries or do anything truly progressive. It is mostly a rehash of older prog with a more contemporary (and even stripped down) element. Rush in the 70s and 80s weren't really doing anything that hadn't been done before. They were influenced by KC, Yes and Genesis but with a heavier element. So yeah Rush were prog but were they progressive in the literal sense of the word? Not so much imo. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 23 2024 at 10:51
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There's progressive in the literal sense of the word and there's capital "P" Prog, which is what most of the bands we listen to fall under. Maybe it should be called "art rock," but I don't think that's going to catch on now. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 23 2024 at 10:59
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I'd rather put most of what I listen to under the small p (adjective label) than the big P (noun/genre) label. I'm not a big fan of tons of generic/ stereotypical Prog. More so, I would put music I like under the art label, however. Aside from having Prog genre albums, I think Rush's music progressed from album to album in that it changed and adapted with the times. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: December 23 2024 at 12:15
That's true to a great degree even though they were doing proggy prog in the late 70s and early 80s when that was no longer fashionable. Signals and GUP were both very new wave influenced but 19993's Counterparts was more hard rock than it was grunge. They never really took the grunge route. After that more hard rock and semi-metal (kind of like their debut but more modern sounding).
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 23 2024 at 16:14
Actually, "progressive" is just a word which can be and has been used in many different ways/meanings. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 23 2024 at 16:29
Right, David, but remember, we're talking about music — specifically the music discussed and archived on this site. Context is everything.  ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: December 23 2024 at 16:31
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They were "prog-rock" at one point, but coming after most of the major pioneer acts of the late 60s/early 70s, I wouldn't say they were "progressive". ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 23 2024 at 17:05
Right, and to me in this context, "progressive" is also just a part of the genre name "Progressive Rock".  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 23 2024 at 17:30
Which takes us full circle to progressive (adj., relating to or characterized by interest in new ideas) and capital "P" you/know/what. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 23 2024 at 17:54
and we could continue because "Actually, "progressive" is just a word which can be and has been......" ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 23 2024 at 21:42
| Well the OP used the shortened term ''prog'' in the thread title which I've always taken to mean 'of a style' rather than 'progressive' in terms of an idea. But I still think Rush represented a major shake up of the genre and moved it forward in the late seventies when the major bands like ELP and Yes were doing nothing new. So they were both imo. Many don't find their music elegant as such and the lack of a full time keyboard player might not have helped perhaps so that could be a reason why they are so often considered not as important. I've seen the weird backlash against them on here for a while and also online with some like Andy Edwards consider their fans to be 'zealots' (but to be fair he also raises this point about Pink Floyd fans as well). They seem though to have a very nice intellegent fanbase (from a distance) but I would say that wouldn't I? They also attract the slightly nerdy and very harmless rock fan who likes their sc-fi. |