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MortSahlFan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 01 2018 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3066 |
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I was born in the 80s and didn't go to my first concert until 2000. And now many of them are gone. I like the 60/70s, so the only benefit is being able to listen to anything/everything (popular or obscure prog) without paying anything, but the experiences of not seeing enough great live bands (certainly none in their prime, or classic formation) does suck. I guess I'd recommend finding rare concerts from the 70s, interviews, etc.... Also, there's a lot of great albums from the 70s that might barely have any views, but still great. I know I've found many just from this site alone, and the recommendations, etc..
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29273 |
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I am totally fed up to the back teeth with the petty points scoring attitude of this forum , I mentioned the Italian bands and how much I like them, you then spout a lot of petty nonsense and highlight stuff that I basically alluded to. Its so bloody annoying and now I have to repeat myself again! The respect USA bands and musicians had for the top UK bands and their influence is self eveident. Nothing to do with sales of albums but just how f**king good they were. The likes of Yes and ELP ruled when they hopped over the pond because USA had nothing like it. I mentioned Italian bands, go back and read my comments and stop being a child.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15514 |
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I think, we need to compromise here. UK was definitely the main scene for Progressive Rock in the '70s, but there was also much of it in other European and non-European countries around the world, and not least in the second half of the '70s. ![]() |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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SMSM ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 15 2005 Status: Offline Points: 212 |
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Or two or more jerks having a (loud) conversion instead of listening to the music
The same jerks who get annoyed if you tell them to please keep it down, or go someplace else to speak
A number of times this happens at music festivals where they are they with their friends just there from a previous band, and waiting until their band plays at the later time |
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SMSM ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 15 2005 Status: Offline Points: 212 |
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"Classic prog" only lasted a few years when the baby boomers were buying records and Progressive/Compositional Rock was considered "new" thus hip
Progressive/Compositional rock is non-commercial in general and could have become popular without the above Progressive/Compositional rock that came after it was still excellent and is probably the only rock music today still turning out innovative material because musicians want to be innovative, and they often do it part time Prog is most critically reviled music today, mostly because of the group politics Media judging the group of individuals playing it, not the music itself, where it is very politically incorrect (read bigoted) for Music being played by a significant number of Whites, Males, Europeans, Middle Class persons Prog Archives is great for discovering new bands, and Prog Radio and Youtube (except when they interrupt with commercials in the middle of the song - where I don't buy such products advertised when done) There are plenty of good dvds out there
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29273 |
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Thank you ermm for that. Lots of things contributed to music being what it was back in the late sixties and early seventies. More technology was available for instance and the possibilities within a recording studio greatly expanded. Pink Floyd couldn't have recorded DSOTM back in 1967 but the band were already in existence. Boomers bought a lot of records so what? Did that make prog what it was, nope. I take the point that it's a mainly a white middle class (male) occupation and that having a copy of the afore mentioned album on a coffee table back then was high couture for the man of the day. Also good that our psychic state was being fully given the gravitas it should be by good ole Rog. Our needs are paramount
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29273 |
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Early 'classic' punk was actually quite sophisticated and not what it was being sold as. Punk was/is one of the great marketing cons of all time but then some would argue the same for 'progressive rock'.
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Online Points: 12251 |
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Hugh Manatee ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 07 2021 Location: The Barricades Status: Offline Points: 1587 |
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I agree with this. especially as it applies to England, the place from which most classic prog came. At the end of the seventies, these classic prog acts had become so big that they really didn't so much need the English music press' support and gradually started distancing themselves from the main music publications like NME and Melody maker. The presses reaction at first was to start throwing support behind acts that where more willing to go along with these music publications, and ultimately to big up "punk" whilst at the same time ridiculing any perceived "dinosaurs" (industry code for musicians who make a lot of money without the help of publicity and support from the music press). It was to the music industries advantage to reduce everything to Year One and start again, with a fresh crop of pimple faced youth ready to do anything to promote whatever the hell it was they were angry about ('cause punk was all about being angry). But then, punk wasn't about music. It was a fashion statement. At one time music dictated fashion but then fashion started to dictate music. The tail was now wagging the dog and that poor hound would never be the same again (poor, confused critter). |
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I should have been a pair of ragged claws
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29273 |
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''Fashion is the cancer of music'' (Derek William Dick)
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TheMIDIWizard ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: November 08 2021 Location: yes Status: Offline Points: 7 |
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When I listen to a new prog rock band, it always feels like I found a hidden treasure. It always feels good.
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Frets N Worries ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 30 2023 Location: Your Basement Status: Offline Points: 4235 |
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^I agree with this as well
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The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29273 |
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I found a few new ones in just in the last few weeks:
Arabs In Aspic - Powerful Norwegian band very early King Crimson and early Floyd influenced, incredible artwork on their albums as well. Tauk - USA instrumental combo, their latest 36 minute album (The Equaliser) is a joy. 35 Tapes - Another Norwegian band, rich in melody, loving their latest as well.
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12808 |
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Well, it's not our fault, us prog fans, that it's almost only white males that play prog. If some great prog music was done by women, afro americans, asians, or whomever else I would love it all the same. But I won't go listening to hip-hop just so I can listen to afro americans doing music. |
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zumacraig ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 10 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1301 |
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I feel this way. It was a moment in time. I do think there is good prog music being made now, but it is almost unlistenable with the production values prog-progmetal basically adopted in the 90s. This reverbed out 'live' sound is just awful. Wobbler, with it's in-studio sound a la Fragile, is a recent outlier at least in part because of the production. Why can't this warm, more immediate sound be seen as a production choice rather than labeled 'vintage' or whatever?
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Frets N Worries ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 30 2023 Location: Your Basement Status: Offline Points: 4235 |
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^Analog vs. Digital recording
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The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time... |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21491 |
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It IS a production choice and just happens to be "vintage" since it was established in the 70s.
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7411 |
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Errrr....Stanley Clarke? Frank Zappa? Chester Thompson? Billy Cobham?? Plenty of examples of black musicians in prog!
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