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^ Sure, technically there's the concept of free speech, which exists in most (Western) countries. But practically, if you say the wrong thing then you'll be cancelled. That can be catastrophic for an artist, if for example most venues will no longer let you perform there. Roger Waters went through serious legal battles in Germany, for example. So like I said above, political incorrectness can be tricky. Say the wrong incorrect thing and your career can be over.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Freak Kitchen - Gun God, Saving up for an Anal Bleach, Walls of Stupidity, Porno Daddy, Honey, You're a Nazi, etc.


Freak Kitchen has always had funny lyrics, so anything humorous is politically incorrect now?! Confused
Gun God is about the senseless mass shootings by guns. Porno Daddy is about parents ignoring and not spending time with their children. Saving Up For An Anal Bleach is about our addiction to electronic devices and social media. Care to explain how those lyrics are funny??
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Fat Bottomed Girls isn't politically incorrect, it just might not be the most suitable for a kids' platform. If anything, the song very much fits with the current times and is empowering.

Cross-Eyed Mary isn't that incorrect either. It's not the most friendly topic, but it's not explicit, nor encouraging child prostitution, it's more meant as a metaphor.

Zappa is obvious one to mention. Some of his humor is more childish and perverted than 'incorrect'. In fact, most of it is, and I think he's funniest when he sticks to topics like dental floss, talking mountains or pigs inventing the calendar. Thing-Fish in particular does not come together well, and has some very backwards messages about gender roles. Unless the message is supposed to be the opposite, but with Zappa, you really can't tell sometimes unless you're literally Zappa himself. Bobby Brown also hasn't aged well. And not in the "you can't do that anymore these days", more in the "that's kind of embarassing now" vein. Though the idea of making an explicit diss-track in 1977 is very funny, of course. Jewish Princess is probably more embraced these days, but certain anti-anti-semitism groups have a bit of a kneejerk reaction that activates too quickly.

I think most of the time, artists get in trouble for what they say outside of their songs. Nothing said in any songs from the 60's probably got anyone in as much trouble as when John Lennon made his famous "bigger than Jesus" remark. Recently, both Carlos Santana and Alice Cooper made some unfortunate transphobic statements, rightfully getting themselves in hot water.

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:


Example for the latter: "Black people can also be racist". Good luck to you if you propose that on social media nowadays.

99% of people will agree with that statement. To do otherwise is silly. Where some people get peeved, is that the phrase is often insterted where it doesn't belong - e.g. as a form of whataboutism by bad faith actors (or downright racist). The statement itself is true, but the context in which it is used is often in bad faith (like "All Lives Matter"). I suppose people who don't know that might get themselves into an argument.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2023 at 10:21
I knew Fat Bottomed Girls well as a kid. Having not received any English lessons yet, I had no idea what they were singing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2023 at 10:23
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Freak Kitchen - Gun God, Saving up for an Anal Bleach, Walls of Stupidity, Porno Daddy, Honey, You're a Nazi, etc.


Freak Kitchen has always had funny lyrics, so anything humorous is politically incorrect now?! Confused
Gun God is about the senseless mass shootings by guns. Porno Daddy is about parents ignoring and not spending time with their children. Saving Up For An Anal Bleach is about our addiction to electronic devices and social media. Care to explain how those lyrics are funny??

They do use humor to criticize, mock negative aspects of society, every day life, awful, terrible people, etc... 
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From a 2020 PA post, this one always gave me a chill.....regarding Amon Duul ii.....

On a side note: The German lyrics of "Dem Guten, Schönen, Wahren" depict Jesus as a child molester with lines like "Die Kleinste fing an, nach der Mutter zu schreien. Ich durchbohrte sie sanft mit meinem Glied" ("The smallest started crying for her mother. I softly speared her with my member"). Perhaps the most daring lyrics ever. 
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Most people giggle at these sexual "incorrectnesses" - but it's not so easy to be open-minded once we get to religious or even political/social issues.

Knowing Rollins' politics I'm guessing if he met this little 'Lars von Retriever' idiot he'd probably break his nose.

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Someone mentioned "let's kill the whale" by Yes. Really? I don't think Jon Anderson would sing on that. Was that a joke?

Speaking of Jon Anderson though he did put out a song a couple of years ago called "Go Screw Yourself." That's pretty politically incorrect also in a way. 


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While many of the Zappa examples listed seem politically incorrect if only interpreted textually, the implicit meaning behind them is to actually support the opposite. Or at least, to not support what is literally being said. It's done ironically, sarcastically even. The "what's that hangin' from the neighbors' tree?" line from Jesus Thinks You're a Jerk," for example, is a commentary on the ingrained nature of racism in a decent portion of the socially conservative base of the Republican party in the US that the song is lampooning. Similarly, the character of Bobby Brown from Sheik Yerbouti is NOT meant to be sympathetic.

While Zappa would probably never be a person to respect the nit-picky, pedantic, or "superior" moralistic movements of online social justice warriors (he'd probably think it was all for self-aggrandizement, and many times, it is), his commentary wasn't ALWAYS a middle finger to "political correctness." It often had subtextual meaning. That being said, the manners in which he presented that info may not all be well-received this day in age, as they may be taken literally instead.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Knowing Rollins' politics I'm guessing if he met this little 'Lars von Retriever' idiot he'd probably break his nose.

You insulting the creator of the satire shows a leaning towards political correctness. Maybe even censorship?. How about this then:

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Hi,

My thoughts are that anyone that is making comments about something being "politically incorrect" are the same folks that want to change our world into a bunch of folks wearing hijab's ... and I wish they wouldn't confuse these personal points with the reality in politics!

The corruption of the language, for various ideological and bizarre thoughts and ideas, is by far the worst ... and none of us seem to care that even the education of our children these days is going back to 100 years ago, hiding everything, so you think ... is great again!

Politically Indifferent!
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

My thoughts are that anyone that is making comments about something being "politically incorrect" are the same folks that want to change our world into a bunch of folks wearing hijab's ... and I wish they wouldn't confuse these personal points with the reality in politics!

The corruption of the language, for various ideological and bizarre thoughts and ideas, is by far the worst ... and none of us seem to care that even the education of our children these days is going back to 100 years ago, hiding everything, so you think ... is great again!

Politically Indifferent!






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^ He means that political correctness (or in other words: woke ideology) is changing the way we speak and think in many ways that are not aligned with actual science or even common sense, pervading our education systems, undoing much of the progress we've had since the enlightenment. These days people are taught to support "the current thing" rather than think for themselves, and to attack people who do not think alike. Just like Atavachron was name-calling the creator of the Biden video that I posted.

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Any ideas about how to view Tool's lyrics because I'm not quite sure how positively to do it?
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^ you could use a search engine for the interwebs.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ He means that political correctness (or in other words: woke ideology) is changing the way we speak and think in many ways that are not aligned with actual science or even common sense, pervading our education systems, undoing much of the progress we've had since the enlightenment. These days people are taught to support "the current thing" rather than think for themselves, and to attack people who do not think alike. Just like Atavachron was name-calling the creator of the Biden video that I posted.

Hi,

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Sometimes I think some folks simply are not interested in reading anything ... gotta have the Cliff Notes for the Internet (can I claim the rights on it?) ... so that anyone can use some one-word comment ... for what they could not conceive. The side that is saddest for me, is when folks don't bother to ask, or try to understand what is being said or written.

To each his own, I guess ... just another typical non-comment about something or other ... again!
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Unfortunately we do seem to have made backwards steps from the values of the enlightenment. It's led to both "left" and "right" (so to speak) extremism, both fuelling each other's intolerance / closed-mindedness. The expression that comes of free-thinking and critical thinking commonly is discouraged and people are silenced by other's hostility -- people who wish to shut down conversation rather than explore ideas. The lazy labelling of people is one thing that has such a deleterious effect. Sad indeed.
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How has no one mentioned 'In the Flesh' off of 'The Wall'
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

How has no one mentioned 'In the Flesh' off of 'The Wall'

The German authorities did on Roger Waters' tour this year. Him in the Nazi uniform singing these lyrics was used (among other things) as a basis to try to paint him as a bigotted anti-semite. Needless to say, the whole thing is clearly satire.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ He means that political correctness (or in other words: woke ideology) is changing the way we speak and think in many ways that are not aligned with actual science or even common sense, pervading our education systems, undoing much of the progress we've had since the enlightenment. These days people are taught to support "the current thing" rather than think for themselves, and to attack people who do not think alike. Just like Atavachron was name-calling the creator of the Biden video that I posted.
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