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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21596 |
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You insulting the creator of the satire shows a leaning towards political correctness. Maybe even censorship?. How about this then: |
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Awesoreno ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 07 2019 Location: Culver City, CA Status: Offline Points: 3079 |
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While many of the Zappa examples listed seem politically incorrect if only interpreted textually, the implicit meaning behind them is to actually support the opposite. Or at least, to not support what is literally being said. It's done ironically, sarcastically even. The "what's that hangin' from the neighbors' tree?" line from Jesus Thinks You're a Jerk," for example, is a commentary on the ingrained nature of racism in a decent portion of the socially conservative base of the Republican party in the US that the song is lampooning. Similarly, the character of Bobby Brown from Sheik Yerbouti is NOT meant to be sympathetic.
While Zappa would probably never be a person to respect the nit-picky, pedantic, or "superior" moralistic movements of online social justice warriors (he'd probably think it was all for self-aggrandizement, and many times, it is), his commentary wasn't ALWAYS a middle finger to "political correctness." It often had subtextual meaning. That being said, the manners in which he presented that info may not all be well-received this day in age, as they may be taken literally instead.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18948 |
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Someone mentioned "let's kill the whale" by Yes. Really? I don't think Jon Anderson would sing on that. Was that a joke?
Speaking of Jon Anderson though he did put out a song a couple of years ago called "Go Screw Yourself." That's pretty politically incorrect also in a way. Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - August 31 2023 at 17:10 |
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65606 |
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Knowing Rollins' politics I'm guessing if he met this little 'Lars von Retriever' idiot he'd probably break his nose. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7412 |
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From a 2020 PA post, this one always gave me a chill.....regarding Amon Duul ii.....
On a side note: The German lyrics of "Dem Guten, Schönen, Wahren" depict Jesus as a child molester with lines like "Die Kleinste fing an, nach der Mutter zu schreien. Ich durchbohrte sie sanft mit meinem Glied" ("The smallest started crying for her mother. I softly speared her with my member"). Perhaps the most daring lyrics ever.
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I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!!
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45687 |
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They do use humor to criticize, mock negative aspects of society, every day life, awful, terrible people, etc...
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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I knew Fat Bottomed Girls well as a kid. Having not received any English lessons yet, I had no idea what they were singing.
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Stressed Cheese ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 16 2022 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 540 |
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Fat Bottomed Girls isn't politically incorrect, it just might not be the most suitable for a kids' platform. If anything, the song very much fits with the current times and is empowering. Cross-Eyed Mary isn't that incorrect either. It's not the most friendly topic, but it's not explicit, nor encouraging child prostitution, it's more meant as a metaphor. Zappa is obvious one to mention. Some of his humor is more childish and perverted than 'incorrect'. In fact, most of it is, and I think he's funniest when he sticks to topics like dental floss, talking mountains or pigs inventing the calendar. Thing-Fish in particular does not come together well, and has some very backwards messages about gender roles. Unless the message is supposed to be the opposite, but with Zappa, you really can't tell sometimes unless you're literally Zappa himself. Bobby Brown also hasn't aged well. And not in the "you can't do that anymore these days", more in the "that's kind of embarassing now" vein. Though the idea of making an explicit diss-track in 1977 is very funny, of course. Jewish Princess is probably more embraced these days, but certain anti-anti-semitism groups have a bit of a kneejerk reaction that activates too quickly. I think most of the time, artists get in trouble for what they say outside of their songs. Nothing said in any songs from the 60's probably got anyone in as much trouble as when John Lennon made his famous "bigger than Jesus" remark. Recently, both Carlos Santana and Alice Cooper made some unfortunate transphobic statements, rightfully getting themselves in hot water.
99% of people will agree with that statement. To do otherwise is silly. Where some people get peeved, is that the phrase is often insterted where it doesn't belong - e.g. as a form of whataboutism by bad faith actors (or downright racist). The statement itself is true, but the context in which it is used is often in bad faith (like "All Lives Matter"). I suppose people who don't know that might get themselves into an argument.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21596 |
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^ Sure, technically there's the concept of free speech, which exists in most (Western) countries. But practically, if you say the wrong thing then you'll be cancelled. That can be catastrophic for an artist, if for example most venues will no longer let you perform there. Roger Waters went through serious legal battles in Germany, for example. So like I said above, political incorrectness can be tricky. Say the wrong incorrect thing and your career can be over.
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Music is art and an artist can say what he wants, then you can decide whether to get it or not, unless it's an offense. I.e. Nazis and fascists are outlaws, at least in my country...at least on the paper.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21596 |
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^ Of course what is or what isn't politically incorrect depends on who you're asking. But there's also several different "levels" - some things might be called PI but are actually funny to a person, while others are PI and off-limits, causing serious offense and aren't remotely funny.
Example for the latter: "Black people can also be racist". Good luck to you if you propose that on social media nowadays.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45687 |
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Freak Kitchen has always had funny lyrics, so anything humorous is politically incorrect now?!
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21596 |
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Pursuing my thoughts about actual POLITICAL incorrectness, I highly recommend Zappa's Broadway The Hard Way live album.
"Who's that hanging from the neighbor's tree? Looks like colored folks to me!" |
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12400 |
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Freak Kitchen - Gun God, Saving up for an Anal Bleach, Walls of Stupidity, Porno Daddy, Honey, You're a Nazi, etc.
Bubblemath - Surface Tension, Doll Hammer, Your Disease is Nicer, etc. |
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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Faust - It's a Bit of a Pain. The spoken word in Swedish is about how some people think that some human races have more hair than others. The word negro is used.
Edited by The Anders - August 31 2023 at 06:23 |
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45687 |
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what's wrong with it?
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Manuel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 09 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13481 |
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Deep Purple's "Strange Kind of Woman" comes to mind.
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20414 |
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Yup, Zap is about as politically incorrect as it comes. Love him for that, but TBH, all of his teenage smut lyrics had grown thin during my own teenage years.
Mercu!ry was a gay icon, but I understand that he was actually bi, hence the Bicycle Race video. And TBH, that FBGMTWRWGR song is about a certain way that women make men go crazy and the centre of their obsession, rather than misreading it as a misogynic attack. |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21596 |
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Most people giggle at these sexual "incorrectnesses" - but it's not so easy to be open-minded once we get to religious or even political/social issues.
(not really prog, but definitely politically incorrect)
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