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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Knowing Rollins' politics I'm guessing if he met this little 'Lars von Retriever' idiot he'd probably break his nose.

You insulting the creator of the satire shows a leaning towards political correctness. Maybe even censorship?. How about this then:

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While many of the Zappa examples listed seem politically incorrect if only interpreted textually, the implicit meaning behind them is to actually support the opposite. Or at least, to not support what is literally being said. It's done ironically, sarcastically even. The "what's that hangin' from the neighbors' tree?" line from Jesus Thinks You're a Jerk," for example, is a commentary on the ingrained nature of racism in a decent portion of the socially conservative base of the Republican party in the US that the song is lampooning. Similarly, the character of Bobby Brown from Sheik Yerbouti is NOT meant to be sympathetic.

While Zappa would probably never be a person to respect the nit-picky, pedantic, or "superior" moralistic movements of online social justice warriors (he'd probably think it was all for self-aggrandizement, and many times, it is), his commentary wasn't ALWAYS a middle finger to "political correctness." It often had subtextual meaning. That being said, the manners in which he presented that info may not all be well-received this day in age, as they may be taken literally instead.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2023 at 17:08
Someone mentioned "let's kill the whale" by Yes. Really? I don't think Jon Anderson would sing on that. Was that a joke?

Speaking of Jon Anderson though he did put out a song a couple of years ago called "Go Screw Yourself." That's pretty politically incorrect also in a way. 


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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Most people giggle at these sexual "incorrectnesses" - but it's not so easy to be open-minded once we get to religious or even political/social issues.

Knowing Rollins' politics I'm guessing if he met this little 'Lars von Retriever' idiot he'd probably break his nose.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2023 at 13:43
From a 2020 PA post, this one always gave me a chill.....regarding Amon Duul ii.....

On a side note: The German lyrics of "Dem Guten, Schönen, Wahren" depict Jesus as a child molester with lines like "Die Kleinste fing an, nach der Mutter zu schreien. Ich durchbohrte sie sanft mit meinem Glied" ("The smallest started crying for her mother. I softly speared her with my member"). Perhaps the most daring lyrics ever. 
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Freak Kitchen - Gun God, Saving up for an Anal Bleach, Walls of Stupidity, Porno Daddy, Honey, You're a Nazi, etc.


Freak Kitchen has always had funny lyrics, so anything humorous is politically incorrect now?! Confused
Gun God is about the senseless mass shootings by guns. Porno Daddy is about parents ignoring and not spending time with their children. Saving Up For An Anal Bleach is about our addiction to electronic devices and social media. Care to explain how those lyrics are funny??

They do use humor to criticize, mock negative aspects of society, every day life, awful, terrible people, etc... 
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I knew Fat Bottomed Girls well as a kid. Having not received any English lessons yet, I had no idea what they were singing.
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Fat Bottomed Girls isn't politically incorrect, it just might not be the most suitable for a kids' platform. If anything, the song very much fits with the current times and is empowering.

Cross-Eyed Mary isn't that incorrect either. It's not the most friendly topic, but it's not explicit, nor encouraging child prostitution, it's more meant as a metaphor.

Zappa is obvious one to mention. Some of his humor is more childish and perverted than 'incorrect'. In fact, most of it is, and I think he's funniest when he sticks to topics like dental floss, talking mountains or pigs inventing the calendar. Thing-Fish in particular does not come together well, and has some very backwards messages about gender roles. Unless the message is supposed to be the opposite, but with Zappa, you really can't tell sometimes unless you're literally Zappa himself. Bobby Brown also hasn't aged well. And not in the "you can't do that anymore these days", more in the "that's kind of embarassing now" vein. Though the idea of making an explicit diss-track in 1977 is very funny, of course. Jewish Princess is probably more embraced these days, but certain anti-anti-semitism groups have a bit of a kneejerk reaction that activates too quickly.

I think most of the time, artists get in trouble for what they say outside of their songs. Nothing said in any songs from the 60's probably got anyone in as much trouble as when John Lennon made his famous "bigger than Jesus" remark. Recently, both Carlos Santana and Alice Cooper made some unfortunate transphobic statements, rightfully getting themselves in hot water.

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:


Example for the latter: "Black people can also be racist". Good luck to you if you propose that on social media nowadays.

99% of people will agree with that statement. To do otherwise is silly. Where some people get peeved, is that the phrase is often insterted where it doesn't belong - e.g. as a form of whataboutism by bad faith actors (or downright racist). The statement itself is true, but the context in which it is used is often in bad faith (like "All Lives Matter"). I suppose people who don't know that might get themselves into an argument.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Freak Kitchen - Gun God, Saving up for an Anal Bleach, Walls of Stupidity, Porno Daddy, Honey, You're a Nazi, etc.


Freak Kitchen has always had funny lyrics, so anything humorous is politically incorrect now?! Confused
Gun God is about the senseless mass shootings by guns. Porno Daddy is about parents ignoring and not spending time with their children. Saving Up For An Anal Bleach is about our addiction to electronic devices and social media. Care to explain how those lyrics are funny??
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^ Sure, technically there's the concept of free speech, which exists in most (Western) countries. But practically, if you say the wrong thing then you'll be cancelled. That can be catastrophic for an artist, if for example most venues will no longer let you perform there. Roger Waters went through serious legal battles in Germany, for example. So like I said above, political incorrectness can be tricky. Say the wrong incorrect thing and your career can be over.
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Music is art and an artist can say what he wants, then you can decide whether to get it or not, unless it's an offense. I.e. Nazis and fascists are outlaws, at least in my country...at least on the paper. 
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^ Of course what is or what isn't politically incorrect depends on who you're asking. But there's also several different "levels" - some things might be called PI but are actually funny to a person, while others are PI and off-limits, causing serious offense and aren't remotely funny.

Example for the latter: "Black people can also be racist". Good luck to you if you propose that on social media nowadays.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Freak Kitchen - Gun God, Saving up for an Anal Bleach, Walls of Stupidity, Porno Daddy, Honey, You're a Nazi, etc.

Freak Kitchen has always had funny lyrics, so anything humorous is politically incorrect now?! Confused
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Pursuing my thoughts about actual POLITICAL incorrectness, I highly recommend Zappa's Broadway The Hard Way live album.

"Who's that hanging from the neighbor's tree? Looks like colored folks to me!"

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Freak Kitchen - Gun God, Saving up for an Anal Bleach, Walls of Stupidity, Porno Daddy, Honey, You're a Nazi, etc.

Bubblemath - Surface Tension, Doll Hammer, Your Disease is Nicer, etc.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2023 at 06:21
Faust - It's a Bit of a Pain. The spoken word in Swedish is about how some people think that some human races have more hair than others. The word negro is used.

Edited by The Anders - August 31 2023 at 06:23
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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Deep Purple's "Strange Kind of Woman" comes to mind.

what's wrong with it? Confused
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Deep Purple's "Strange Kind of Woman" comes to mind.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2023 at 03:12
Yup, Zap is about as politically incorrect as it comes. Love him for that, but TBH, all of his teenage smut lyrics had grown thin during my own teenage years. 



Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

If the issue was that Freddie Mercury was gayer than a small bag of scones so why would he care about a woman's body, I suppose I get that as well.

Freedom goes both ways---  you can't say it's censorship and then expect to conduct your life & business as you see fit without interference.

Mercu!ry was a gay icon, but I understand that he was actually bi, hence the Bicycle Race video. 

And TBH, that FBGMTWRWGR song is about a certain way that women make men go crazy and the centre of their obsession, rather than misreading it as a misogynic attack. 


let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2023 at 01:38
Most people giggle at these sexual "incorrectnesses" - but it's not so easy to be open-minded once we get to religious or even political/social issues.


(not really prog, but definitely politically incorrect) LOL
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