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mathman0806 wrote:

The match was epic (and apparently Sean Trane's love making as well).

I'm not 20 years-old anymore Ouch

, so I wouldn't call it epic anymore Embarrassed

King of Loss wrote:

What a match! Glad I caught it at a packed bar. Great spectacle it was!!!! Sorry to Mbappe for scoring a hat trick and losing, but I think the better team won!

Well Argentina was the better team on the field, but neither team haven't won the game.

That sorry bloody formula of tie-breaking is to declare a winner when no-one was able to do so Thumbs Down

the real logic would be to replay the game two days later or keep the game alive until one team scores and end it.

In my logic with sudden death, Argentina should've won ot 3-2, instead of 3-3 (4-2).

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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword

Sean Trane wrote:

mathman0806 wrote:

The match was epic (and apparently Sean Trane's love making as well).

I'm not 20 years-old anymore Ouch

, so I wouldn't call it epic anymore Embarrassed

King of Loss wrote:

What a match! Glad I caught it at a packed bar. Great spectacle it was!!!! Sorry to Mbappe for scoring a hat trick and losing, but I think the better team won!

Well Argentina was the better team on the field, but neither team haven't won the game.

That sorry bloody formula of tie-breaking is to declare a winner when no-one was able to do so Thumbs Down

the real logic would be to replay the game two days later or keep the game alive until one team scores and end it.

In my logic with sudden death, Argentina should've won ot 3-2, instead of 3-3 (4-2).

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This has all been tried out in the history of football. In Germany in the 1920s there was a championship final that was played twice with "golden goal" rule and no time restriction and was stopped in the first go after 4 hours and in the second one after 3 when one team wasn't able to field 8 players anymore. A replay after two days in a tournament like this and with players giving everything they have in the first 120 minutes will hardly be of high quality. Add to this the environmental impact with some people rescheduling flights, some going home, and some even may want to fly in for the replay etc., also the additional organisation. "Golden goal" may at least formally work at times within 120 minutes, but often not, as you know, and I can't get that anybody would have been happy missing the France 3-3 and the penalties in this one, let alone the final chances for both France and Argentina after they scored the 3-3! I for one love to watch penalty shootouts.

I do admit though that the Golden Goal rule was in place for an England vs. Germany semifinal in the 1990s (Euros 1996) and it was great and very dramatic, too, with big chances on both sides knowing that each of them would've ended the game. It went to penalties though. Germany then winning the final with a Golden Goal after 5 minutes was not much of a highlight; would've preferred a chance for the Czechs to come back, even though I'm German. Checking this I remember also there were a lot of boring extra times with no team risking anything because of fear of allowing the opponent the Golden Goal on the counter in that tournament, ultimately going to penalties anyway (added after having read Ian's posting below).

Edited by Lewian - December 19 2022 at 06:41

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Golden goal has been proven not to work, it made teams more defensive as the risk was too high of instant loss. There is zero chance they are coming back 2 days later with something this big and complicated to organize. FIFA declared Argentina the winners under the rules of the competition. Ergo, they won.

Hi,

I think I would say something like that about Argentina for getting into the important parts of the World Cup. However, I don't think that we can say this on the penalty kicks. Argentina seemed to be ready for the penalty kicks and France didn't. The result was obvious.

I'm of the opinion that Mbappe was the monster in this game, and he scored all of his penalties and took France as far as was possible ... but the rest of the team did not have his back. Argentina, however, seemed to understand the seriousness of the whole thing and they made sure they could help Messi. In terms of the major differences in the game? The TEAM came first, even though it seemed like Messi was the important one, just like Mbappe was on the other end ... but I'm not sure that the rest of the French team helped Mbappe as much as they should have!

With TV and all the possible details available to you and everyone else, I'm not sure that FIFA would survive cheating so obviously ... because the world over would see it, and a massive error and mistake would not be allowed to happen, for which FIFA would have been implicated and (for once!) have its named folks taken out one by one. They all represent the old line of the richest of the rich in Europe that feels they have the right to make their choices correct ... and use whatever means necessary to accomplish it ... the only thing I would not exactly think was right, would have been the Qatar choice ... again, a place that spent money making stadia and other venues, only to let them rot, because there are no teams of folks to use them. This has happened to several Olympic Games, and it's like why not ... waste the money. I find that more offensive than the idea that FIFA ordained Argentina the masters ... maybe it was their way to get some grace from the pope!

Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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I don't get the idea that FIFA would favour certain teams on purpose. For FIFA it's all about the money and I think that the perception of integrity of the game is worth a lot, whereas I don't see how FIFA can make money out of helping any specific team to win (other than being bribed of course). I don't like FIFA for many reasons but favouring specific teams on purpose isn't one of them. (There's of course always unconscious bias, but in that respect fans are worse for sure, even those who complain about FIFA.)

Sean Trane wrote:

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Just like they could've reversed the same evening Maradona's hand-of-god had they wished it, but both markets were +/- even.

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Hi,

Maradona's case would be harder to change since it happened just before the age of the Television. Had it been 4 to 8 years later, the goal would have been disallowed. But again, radio was all over it, but the media said nothing, which kinda showed who owned what and did not want to make a big deal of it.

In many ways, Maradona's hand was the event that helped bring Television to soccer in Europe which had been fighting the fact that it could not show commercials for the time it takes each half ... this is STILL a huge problem in America since in 45 minutes worth there would have been at least 9 to 10 minutes of very highly paid commercials, which are not going to be there ... Europe was more concerned with the game itself and no interruptions which was fine, and TV adapted to the European showings, whereas America did not and still hasn't and makes a point of interrupting the game even if just sound bites over the game!

I'm all for improving the game, and it needs a solid VAR just like the 3 main American games have ... but I think that we're still 8 to 12 (maybe more) years away until those old fudgers at FIFA die off and get lost ... this is 2022, not 1952 ... but sometimes I don't think they get it! They would rather force a Qatar and now they are going after Africa again to show they care about the game and to make sure it is world wide, instead of just one place in the world. Like all the folks in Africa have a TV ... which is not like America or even most of Europe.

It's a ball of confusion as the song went ... and I don't see it changing anytime soon!

Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
www.pedrosena.com

With any result, there will be dissatisfaction. Sport is an unpredictable sphere where the human factor can always play a role. I think Argentina deserved to win because Messi was worthy of receiving the World Cup for a long time. I followed all the news on the site that IT Gadget is looking for. But I think even the haters must admit that the penalty shootout at the end was very tense. What even Messi's goal is worth. He scored so relaxedly as if emphasizing that it was a game. Although we must pay tribute to Mbappe, he dragged France to the final.

Edited by Ismacccam - December 27 2022 at 12:25

You might not mind the game being slowed down for VAR but the vast majority of global fans do.

Ian

Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com

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