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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20414 |
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This can explain a few things ![]() ![]() The invicible armada trounced the opposition. Belgium didn't deserve to win. Canada was clearly the better team in the first half.
Edited by Sean Trane - November 23 2022 at 15:08 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Online Points: 21325 |
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Canada were robbed of a penalty by an erroneous offside flag
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omphaloskepsis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6802 |
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Brazil vs Serbia should rock.
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Archisorcerus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 02 2022 Location: Izmir Status: Offline Points: 2707 |
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Spain pretty much annihilated Costa Rica.
![]() ![]() I love watching Japan playing football, and for a long time! Germany were really ineffectual, though. The Croatia vs. Morocco game was boring as hell... The first half of the Belgium vs. Canada match was very fun. Both tried to score really enthusiastically which made it a pleasure for the viewers. The second half was a bit of a mixed bag. I think Canada were very zealous, but their lack of experience in the WC tournaments evinced itself. Oh, the referee of that/this match was really bad. He made at least 3 critical mistakes. Among these, I believe 2 penalty kicks of Canada were not given. Neither was THAT undisputble, but they were still fouls, I think. In one of them, a Belgian defender tripped a Canadian "offender" up. And in the other, a Belgian defender put his arms in front of himself and the ball came there. That could sometimes be done to protect your face; but not your torso. It was a deliberate move; the defender literally used his arms to "confront" the ball, and I believe it was a penalty position. Correct me if my not-so-great knowledge of such rules is wrong on this one. As for the offside flag that Nogbad mentioned, I figure I missed that one. I can't remember, really. Edited by Archisorcerus - November 23 2022 at 16:44 |
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King of Loss ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16890 |
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Two penalties should have been given! Arch above me is right. Canada should have won this game.
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15151 |
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I actually think Belgium played worse than Germany. But Canada didn't have the genius of Japan.
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Online Points: 21325 |
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Agreed
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Ian
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Online Points: 21325 |
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Arm in front of the torso is fine, it's not handball unless it away from the body in an unnatural position
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Ian
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20414 |
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The Zimbawe referee has been caught for corruption a few years ago (why was he chosen), but I've seen much worse
Diagree about this issue... it was clearly a protection move (intentional indeed), but the arm movement did not increase the player's surface of blockage - it actually diminished it. Not to mention that it was natural instinct to protect his face, as it was not clear that the ball wasn't heading directly at it. TBH, I hate these new rules obligeing defenders playing with their arms behind their backs, as to not be called for accidental hand contact. FTM, for the stopped PK (rightly called), the yellow card was unjustly
given to Carrasco, because his arms were extended well before the ball got to him,
so ball contact wasn't intentional. PK, yes but YC no. I don't remember the off-side leading to a goal that would've been annuled. =============== Other than that , though I'm not complaing, the systematic long extra times are making these matches 100 minutes. This is much more notceable at the end of the game than at the halftime (first period) .
Edited by Sean Trane - November 24 2022 at 00:51 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Archisorcerus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 02 2022 Location: Izmir Status: Offline Points: 2707 |
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OK guys. Protecting the torso by using your arms is doable within the rules then. Thanks.
I presume Germany only needed to use their tallness advantage to score with headers. You know, the Japanese team, at least most of them, are quite short. They tried that, but really wimpishly. Japan's 2nd goal was genius! Belgium... Yeah, they didn't play that good. |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29490 |
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Too much grey area with handball decisions especially the whole nonsense of placing the arms in unnatural positions. When you start thinking about it then it gest very silly.
Re England v Iran , the penalty decision against England by the letter of the law was correct but when you look at the amount of technical fouls in the penalty area that happen during any average football match the number of penalties could be well off the scale. I wonder if the decision would have been given if it had really mattered?!
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Online Points: 21325 |
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Is it just me or did it look like Neuer flinch out of the way on Japan's 2nd goal?
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Ian
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Archisorcerus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 02 2022 Location: Izmir Status: Offline Points: 2707 |
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I thought he was overconfident that he blocked all the area necessary to confront the ball with his body and saw no need to use his reflexes. It was kinda a disappointment, given that Neuer is truly a brilliant goalkeeper. |
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Archisorcerus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 02 2022 Location: Izmir Status: Offline Points: 2707 |
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In the penalty area, it matters if the defender commits a foul. For the orher way around (the cases that are not critical), a VAR inspection for each and every position would make the matches practically unwatchable. |
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15151 |
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He certainly has something to answer about that.
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15151 |
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In my view that penalty was correct (if something is correct by the letter of the law, it is correct full stop - note though that the letter of the law in football, maybe necessarily so, leaves some space for interpretation). But an Iran defender got away with something at least as bad, and that wasn't correct.
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omphaloskepsis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6802 |
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Brazil 2 Serbia 0
Second goal from Richarlison was pure class. Best goal of Cup so far?
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Online Points: 21325 |
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Probably, yes
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Ian
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18076 |
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Hi,
WOW Iran just beat Wales ... and this does not look good for the USA. They have scored 4 goals in 2 games ... the USA in one game, just 1 goal, and I doubt they can plug 3 into England! Total stunner, but it looks like Queiroz had the right attitude and game plan to take on a team like Wales. Remember this guy took Brazil to the WC before. He knows what he is doing! And I don't think that the USA can best that coach, specially when Iran will need the point, or two and the USA will be scrambling to just get another point, before they go home!
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Archisorcerus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 02 2022 Location: Izmir Status: Offline Points: 2707 |
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I'd say yes. |
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