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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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It wouldn't break my heart if they did, as they have no legal right to the land they occupy to begin with.
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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Perhaps the best solution for many would be for the "clueless" Israelis to move out en masse and leave permanently . Admit their "mistake" and exit , stage left.
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Online Points: 13229 |
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Your indignation is humorous. You made the statement: "If you know any Baal, Ishtar or any Jebbusite El Elyon worshippers who still speak the language, even if only ritualistically, celebrate their festivals, even if only culturually, formed cohesive communities throught the diaspora for the last 3000 years celebrating their Jebbusite culture and beliefs, then by all means. Have them give me a call! Im sure we can find a place for them." ....thus indicating a uniqueness of the Jewish religion and claims for the land, even after 3000 years of Diaspora. I merely pointed out the irony that the Canaanites never got to worship their fairytale deities because the Israelites were allegedly commanded by their fairytale deity to commit genocide and wipe said Canaanites out.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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@Lewian Is it visible? Try to watch the maps and read about the houses demolishing Edited by jamesbaldwin - May 20 2021 at 08:22 |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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ssmarcus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 05 2019 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 261 |
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Man you guys are really scraping at the bottom of the barrel now. Have fun with that. I've done my part. Catch you guys the next time we have one of these flare ups.
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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As Bibi would say, but, but, that was only assertion of Jewish identity. The only genocide is that which has been committed by the Arabs.
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Online Points: 13229 |
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The Canaanites were annihilated by the Israelites. A biblical case of genocide. But Yahweh said it was okay.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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This is such a complete non sequitur I will simply leave it be.
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ssmarcus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 05 2019 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 261 |
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If you know any Baal, Ishtar or any Jebbusite El Elyon worshippers who still speak the language, even if only ritualistically, celebrate their festivals, even if only culturually, formed cohesive communities throught the diaspora for the last 3000 years celebrating their Jebbusite culture and beliefs, then by all means. Have them give me a call! Im sure we can find a place for them. In any case, your need to point to no longer existent peoples further demonstrates the uniqueness of Jewish history in this regard.
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ssmarcus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 05 2019 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 261 |
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If my wife giving birth to our 3rd child has nothing to do with this conversation, why will it happen after this conversation is over? What are you on mate?
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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I 'learnt something indeed', to channel ssmarcus' condescension. I learnt there is a side to Israel I didn't want to see. And now that I have, I will never be able to unsee it. Gosh!
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Online Points: 13229 |
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The Canaanites called. They want their country back. The Phoenicians agree.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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If you are so convinced that WW2 had nothing to do with Israel, why would it take until well after the war to establish Israel? If the rationale was really so obvious as you wish to believe, you'd have an Israel state before 1930 and the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany easily averted.
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ssmarcus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 05 2019 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 261 |
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Once again I am amazed at how willing you are to advertise your illiteracy on the internet. I take it you've heard of the Balfour Declaration. You know, the statement made by the british imperial government in support of a Jewish Homeland in Palestine IN 1917 BEFORE WW2(!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration Oh wait, what's this. Its the Peel commission from 1937, another example of international community involvement ALSO BEFORE WW2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peel_Commission Im done answering you. You are trying to fight WAY out of your weight class here. I really suggest you take a break, read the thread, and a learn something.
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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And that the eviction happened centuries ago has a bearing on the issue, whether you like it or not. Lewian gave you a good explanation as to why. As I said, you remain in denial or rather, you are so convinced about the narrative you hold dear that we are basically talking past you. We are able to visualize why such a claim would be immensely problematic if it were applied universally. You either can't or you do not care. That kind of conviction somehow sounds not wholly different from sharia to me, if I may.
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ssmarcus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 05 2019 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 261 |
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If "the area "from the river to the sea" is the historic homeland of the Jewish people" is not a religious claim, what is it then? [/QUOTE]
It is a two part empirical claim about the relationship between the Jewish people and that area some people here call Palestine:
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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If "the area "from the river to the sea" is the historic homeland of the Jewish people" is not a religious claim, what is it then? If you say it is a mere cultural claim, how does your claim supersede that of the Arabs who had already settled there? Why should the international community then specifically look into the claims of Jews? No, that is not the reason. The reason has everything to do with WW2 and given that you go to great lengths to deny it, you don't have a leg to stand on when you accuse me of posting historical falsehoods. Nobody would give a sh*t about what Israelis want if it was purely about some nostalgic longing to return to your 'true homeland' (whatever that means). The reason it became a vexed issue had everything to do with Europe becoming inhospitable for Jews. Otherwise why should others have anything to do with the quarrels between Jews and Arabs, how does it matter in the slightest to us?
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ssmarcus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 05 2019 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 261 |
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At what point did I ever claim my rights were based in religion? I am specifically pointing out that it is the RELIGIOUS jews that objected to Zionism in a certain sense of the word and that it was the secular ones that saw it is a viable way forward. Are you even reading these posts or just reacting childishly because someone write the the word god and spoke about religion? As far the US help is concnered, I WISH we woulnd't take take the American hooker money. In the 50's, when Germany decided to pay reparations to Israel over the Holocaust, Menachem Begin and his supporters basically rioted over Israel's acceptance of the money. I was not alive then, but had I been, I would burned down the Knesset myself. You specifically, as opposed to some of the other writers here, have consistently posted historical falsehoods (that are easily cleared up in a quick google search) and misreads of the comments you are replying to.
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ssmarcus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 05 2019 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 261 |
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I'm not aware of a statute of limitations on the right to self-determination. If god forbid, the French expelled the Italians and the Italian peninsula was then re-inhabitted by Germans, at what point would the Italians have to give up their right to return? And what if those Germans decided they wanted to declare their own state on that land? Why should they get it? Dont they already have Germany as their place for exercising self-determination? And how exactly should the Italians mount their return doing so will stoke the ire of the world thereby further exacerbating their exile and oppression? The truth of the matter is, the reason this case is so peculiar is because there really are no historical precedents for this. In reality, those Italians in my example will eventually assimilate into the lands they were exiled to therefore, by default, giving up their claim just like every other conquered, exiled, enslaved, repressed, forcibly converted people through out history. But we Jews have managed to maintain our culture, our religion, our language, our history, basically our entire sense of self and connectedness to our country and peoplehood despite the exile. We've never relinquished our right to our home. Despite our return, the Arabs living there have every right to continue to live there in peace and security. I will even admit (at the expense of opening up my position to attacks) that how we treat the minorities in our territory is the ultimate test of our moral character as a people. I fully embrace that idea and live by it. But if those Arabs are unwilling to share or recognize our historic rights, then what does that say about their moral character as a people?
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