What is happening in Jerusalem?

Shadowyzard wrote: The Dark Elf wrote: SteveG wrote: tszirmay wrote: What I cannot understand is why would a refugee camp that Gaza sadly and definitely is , have the wherewithal to possess thousands of rockets and the ability to launch them?  They have friends and they have tunnels. Rather than food and healthcare aid for their people, the Palestinians receive weaponry from their titular benefactors, like Iran. For instance, a ship carrying 50 tons of advanced weaponry in route from Iran to Gaza that was captured by Israeli commandos in 2002. A peaceful transition to a separate Palestinian state makes the most sense; however, the words "peaceful" and "sense" were never words one can use in the Middle East. In the Middle East, the Shiites hate the Sunnis, the Sunnis and Shiites hate the Jews, and the Jews hate them all. It's a vicious circle with no resolution.  Your country seems far from being a saint in this regard... Anyway... My country is no saint, either. But, pardon me! You're too far away to be an actor here... Ah, like the Eagle, huh? I strongly suggest that we stick to the current events, without "daring" to make convictions about the situation in the Middle East, especially from a very far country! OK?

ASSOCIATED PRESS:

JERUSALEM (AP) — An Israeli airstrike on Saturday destroyed a high-rise building that housed The Associated Press office in the Gaza Strip, despite repeated urgent calls from the news agency to the military to halt the impending attack. AP called the strike “shocking and horrifying.”

Twelve AP staffers and freelancers were working and resting in the bureau on Saturday afternoon when the Israeli military telephoned a warning, giving occupants of the building one hour to evacuate. Everyone was able to get out, grabbing a few belongings, before three heavy missiles struck the 12-story building, collapsing it into a giant cloud of dust.

Although no one was hurt, the airstrike demolished an office that was like a second home for AP journalists and marked a new chapter in the already rocky relationship between the Israeli military and the international media. Press-freedom groups condemned the attack. They accused the military, which claimed the building housed Hamas military intelligence, of trying to censor coverage of Israel’s relentless offensive against Hamas militants.

The theory I've held for the past 30 years is that many German Nazis from WW II have been reincarnated as Israelis. Old habits are hard to change--especially ones that have been established over many lifetimes.

tszirmay wrote: All Israelis, some Israelis or an Israeli? That was quite a condemnation . Have you ever visited that troubled land or its neighbours?

The Dark Elf wrote: It is interesting to think you believe you know what's going on in the Middle East when there are over a 100 media persons and journalists sitting in Turkish jails. It would seem you receive your news only from a certain point of view -- or else. But let's get back to the endless battle for a small strip of sand the size of New Jersey.... We as a country recognize what happened to the Native Americans, just as we acknowledge slavery as part of a corrupt past. Justice may be slow but it moves inexorably. And as far as I can tell, democracy still works in our country as we booted out our fat orange version of Erdoğan.

Quite bored with your pretentiousness and ignorence, BTW.

Anyway, here's my final reply to you in (probably) any political issue. As it will not end otherwise, you have a very long way to go in comprehending some things outside of your country, and you, unfortunately, are not a pleasant companion for me. One of my teachers was an American professor. I'll not mention his name but he was a notable, prominent one. He once said that, whenever an American student came to him and stereotyped a foreign country, he advised him/her to go there and live at lelast for 3 months to have the right and experience to do that. 

My replies to you are:

1-) I never claimed I know what is going on there. You're the "interesting" type here.

2-) You, as a country, have a Christian background and tradition. You just "confess your sins" and be clean as a cloudless sky; but only become clouded even more heavily with more atrocities thereafter. This vicious cycle lasts forever. You must know that Christians are believed to be born as sinners, do everything for eternal salvation all their lives. You seem like an atheist guy, but I hope you have enough wits to understand what I'm talking about. I'm also an atheist, but unfortunately we have the Muslim tradition and we barely "change" (unlike the Western rennaissances, reformations etc.) over time and have some real complex "defence mechanisms".

^ Madan, your post is beyond my comprehension, as I'm not as knowledgeable as you about such things. Not even close.

I'm not defending our "reflex" when it comes to the Armenian Genocide thing. We had better explain the situation more relaxedly. Perhaps and hopefully we will be able to do that. My brother told me what actually happened then, and I believe him. As, he doesn't trust untrustable sources. I believe it was one of our sins, but it differs from the Jewish Holocaust in many ways. As I said, we have to explain it to the world in a simple and honest way.

Anyway, thank you Madan, and my apologies to Greg (The Dark Elf) for my unkind words. Actually it is a matter of being in very different cultures. I, of course, don't find you/him ignorant. Plus, I'm the ignorant guy, when it comes to discuss politics with rogerthat. 

I’ve been away for about 24 hours and read now most of the posts and I gotta say my friend David here has really summed it up perfectly, anyone who doesn’t live here and fed by the news and much worse the social media where there is more fake news than real ones can’t really form an objective opinion about what’s really going on here, just like I don’t have anything to say about turkey or the American politics or whatever.

I have no interest to justify every action or to wrangle with anyone here, but I can explain just a little bit about the general idea of what’s going on. I’ll start by saying that in retrospect the Israeli police have made a mistake about a week ago in order of keeping the order in The Temple Mount they prevented a part of the Muslim public to hang near the al aqsa mosque. That ignited the Arab public fuelled immensely by Hamas saying Israel prevents Muslims which I guess most of them are Israeli citizens to practice their religion. After about two days the police folded and things were back to normal but the damage was already done, Hamas seized the chance and started launching rockets to Israel while making a huge effort to kindle the area, that resulted in a never before seen almost civil war between Jews and Muslims.

Like every few years the terror organisation Hamas launches rockets to populated areas in order of killing as many citizens as they can kill. Up till now which is about 6 days Hamas had launched more than 2000 missiles here, 2000 in 6 days! I don’t know any country that would sit in silent in this situation. Now on top of this Hamas soldiers and their homes, headquarters, armory and etc. are in many times are in the same building with civilians homes in order to make it harder to get them. After evacuation of the building is done by Israeli army is done the building is demolished, so every civilian in Gaza should know that if he is an accomplice to Hamas his home is a target.
One more big difference in concept is when a civilian is killed by mistake or not by an air strike it’s always a big deal in Israeli media and the military is doing all they can do to prevent this even by aborting missions, but when an Israeli is killed you should see the celebrations in Gaza.
There’s an explanation to everything things are not as simple as they appear to be in foreign media and theres a lot more to say but it’s hard using my phone...

One more thing - To say Israel haven’t learned anything from the nazis is pure ignorance, no less.

Edited by Sagichim - May 16 2021 at 03:02

I promised myself not to post in this thread again...but somehow I kept thinking about the ‘issue’ here and it bugs me. There is, in all of us, an ego that desperately wants to be right no matter how well-meaning we either genuinely are or merely present ourselves as...but we also all look at the world through individual peep holes. We’re all right, right?
Lately, especially in western society, there’s an increasing war-like attitude in all means of communication where sides just shout at each other or similarly make snide and crass comments ultimately creating such a hostile environment for any truth to emerge...that when and if it suddenly pops up it’s head, no one believes it.
We have to be careful when it comes to these things...or else we end up believing up is down and vice versa.
As an example of how badly folks in power/the media/news can pervert truth, here is a video about the golden ratio...that to most in the western world looks very scary (satan?!!). It’s basically a crash course into how you keep real knowledge from people by painting it with an evil brush so as nobody can or will see it for what it really is: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DIrvM1gcnPU

Peace

I think you misunderstand me Sagi, which in all fairness can be rather easy these days
All of this, at least to me, is like living in a collective with a lot of other people arguing about the same old thing: the carpets are always wet!!...and everybody agrees that the carpets indeed are wet because it’s quite clearly visible and tangible to all...so all conversation revolves around the carpets and the types of problems they cause. Yet if any of them had the audacity to shift their look upwards, they’d see that there was no roof.
People are generally looking in all the wrong places to find something to either understand or blame...and I honestly can’t blame them. It’s in our blood.

Edited by Guldbamsen - May 16 2021 at 04:09