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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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^ But they're so eloquent!
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@Nickie and Lewian: Thanks, you make me blush...
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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You're right. In Italy It's an historycal song. Maybe the first one written with the approach of an American storyteller. And with an ecological aim, that is clear on the original video Here's to you the original video: IL RAGAZZO DELLA VIA GLUCK (THE BOY FROM GLUCK STREET) This is the story Of one of us he was born by chance in via Gluck In a house, outside the city Quiet people who worked Where there was the grass now there is a city And that house in the open fields Where will it be? This boy from Gluck Street He enjoyed playing with me But one day he said I'm going to town And he said it while he was crying I ask him: "My friend Aren't you happy? You're finally going to town There you will find the things you didn't get here You can wash yourself at home without going Down in the courtyard" "My dear friend", he said, "I was born On this street, I'll leave my heart here How can't you understand? It is a lucky thing for who are staying here, Barefoot, playing in the meadows. While there in the center I breathe the cement But there will come a day when I will come back here And I'll hear my friend the train That whistles like that: "Uah, uah"" Years go by But eight are long But that boy has come a long way But he doesn't forget his first home Now with the money he can buy it He comes back and doesn't find the friends he had Only houses upon houses Tar and cement Where there was the grass now there is A city, ah And that house in the open fields Where will it be? I don't know, I don't know Why do they continue To build the houses? And they don't leave the grass They don't leave the grass They don't leave the grass They don't leave the grass Well no If we go on like this, who knows How will it be done Who knows Who knows How will it turn out Edited by jamesbaldwin - March 23 2021 at 09:42 |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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I was just about to say the same, re suitkees way of reviewing the music. Very appreciated!
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15151 |
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Always love to read your comments on the suggestions, thanks! Wish I had more time to write some...
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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...and a quick follow-up on the rest of the suggestions: micky: If I would have a model in mind of what American folk music would sound like it could be this song by Gordon Lightfoot. Great singing and great playing, and the way both the guitar and the drums convey the tension of the situation is wonderful. Great choice! Raff: Belfast Child, this is actually from the only album (Street Fighting Years) from Simple Minds that I have, and a great album it is, including this song: they have appropriated the traditional Irish folk music and incorporated it in their own style of pop-rock in a very powerful way. Engaging! With Admirals Hard we're going at sea in a very up-tempo and festive manner. The music may not be the most original, but the playing is tight and the vocal harmonies are beautiful (and I like the way how they exploit the extreme wide angle lens for the filming of this clip!). The Nuova Compagnia di Canto Popolare remain more traditional in their performance, musically speaking, but they make it very engaging, especially through their singing. Fotheringay still top all of these though, for me. mathman: Nice round-trip! Yes, with James Holden & The Animal Spirits we definitely go into more psychedelic territory; makes me think of some of The Grateful Dead. Very nice. Then two by Tin Hat (Trio or more...): first we wander away on the Width of the World with an intimate kind of contemporary saloon-folk - very cinematic. On Helium Reprise there is more accent on the contemporary aspect of the music without loosing the cinematic quality. Love the way the accordion is used on both of these tracks. Crimson doesn't grab me as much as the previous suggestions. There is nothing not to like in it, great melodies from the different instruments and the singing, but it is not really sticking with me once it's over. Unfolk, with Bedroom Discothèque, leaves a similar impression: a very pleasant song, great arrangements, some very nice vocal harmonies, but it doesn't leave a big impression either. A farewell to your selections with Tuva Farewell, interesting blues-folk mixed with Tuvan singing, which works quite well, but his own singing brings this on a much higher level. Very interesting, but my personal favourite of yours is Width of the World by Tin Hat Trio. The Anders: Sorten Muld bring us a kind of soothing traditional which builds up through its rich arrangements. Nice production but maybe a bit to smooth for my ears? The Greek traditional conveys more emotion, imo. Musically we're indeed in more traditional territory regarding the playing. I'm more on a holiday trip than with the previous one, but at the same time it is not very challenging either. The song you put up by Väsen is by far my preferred one. Lewian: I saw a documentary about the architecture of the Elbphilarmonie - quite impressive building and the acoustics of the auditorium seems to be exceptional! The Danish String Quartet are less impressive than the architecture of the building to my ears; nice but a bit short, so I probably need to see/hear them live over there... |
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Shadowyzard Blind Guardian: Folk music and hard rock / metal is not a rare combination, but while the vocals move towards hard rock screaming towards the end, the metal sound I expected at the beginning does not come. But surprises are nice, and I really like the song. The second track reminds me a bit of it melodically. The visual performance is a bit over-the-top to my taste (especially with the big guy with the bass drum). I like it musically, but I clearly prefer the first one. Logan Mark Fry - The Witch: I think I have heard it before (the melody right at the beginning makes me think of "Mother Sky" by Can). It's rather dark and 'noir'ish with its hypnotic and monotonous arrangement. Cristi The first song (Cantec de oameni) starts in the Mixolydian mode with acoustic instruments - which later reappears in the outro, leaving the song in a dreamy and thoughtful mood. The biggest attraction for me is however the guitar work throughout the song. It is really great, but I also like the composition and the vocal harmonies. Phoenix starts with some quite heavy guitar work (which, funnily enough, is also Mixolydian). Then enters an acoustic guitar figure im the right channel. Again the feeling is quite dream-like. There are also some ooh's, and towards the end, a drumbeat sets in, but then the song fades out. The final song (Nicu alifantis) has a melancholic Mediterranean tone to its melody, but the folk elements are counterpointed by some synthesizers. Good composition, and I sense the words have quite a lot of weight - especially as there is recitation towards the end. jamesbaldwin Adriano Celentano: Il ragazzo della via Gluck is more in the style of mid 60's pop to my ears. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing, just an observation. But to be honest it is not a type of music that really appeals to me. But maybe there is some lyrical content to be aware of? TCat The Low Anthem - "Charlie Darwin" is a melancholic guitar ballad (is the guitar tuned down a bit, or is it recorded at a high speed and then slowed down? - it sounds a bit that way). Normally I am not fond of falsetto singing, but here I actually think it fits the song well. |
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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Thank you! I know lots of people who play Middle Eastern music will also play Greek styled music at times, as so many of the instruments have similarities. The way they approach these kinds of sounds differ from each other so that you can tell which style it is in....also many will play Flamenco and Gitano types of music. I love them all!
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I think there may be a cimbalom.
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First thoughts on Page 3 thus far, plus some additions:
George: James Holden & The Animal Spirits
“Spinning Dance” Begins with some guitar
washes and finger cymbals, then goes into a happy swash of keyboards
underneath, as the guitar swells in and out.
Guitar begins to play a more forceful lead and drums kick in. This is all done in a very quiet way, in
terms of the production. There begin to
emerge the sounds of chanting-type voices, really intriguing wriggly bits of
keyboards and guitars interplay, there are sounds of either very controlled
feedback or perhaps violin-type strings and whistle-type sounds, with some more
inter-layered vocalishness. Very
excellent spacey folkishness here. Tin
Hat Trio “Width of the World” Repeating
bass line starts and some almost-sitarish bended guitar notes. There is a keyboard underneath at times for
depth, it sounds like, or perhaps a bowed instrument or accordion, as the sound
becomes more pronounced. There is a
Delta blues-ish or Cajun nod here, as well, in the guitar style. This sounds much more like an accordion or
concertina now, as you can hear the reeds parts and the glisses on the keyboard
more clearly. This instrument goes off
into a jam with the other instruments.
Now a bowed instrument enters the room, jamming along with everyone
else. This has become almost a
raga/Cajun piece, reminiscent of Kaleidoscope to my ear, then it returns back
to slow and slide-y before slowly fading.
Followed by “Helium Reprise, also by the Tin Hat Trio: This one begins with an almost Betty Boop
sliding violin sound, but quickly turns the plucked fiddly sounds and the
unmistakable voice of Tom Waits. There
are small blats of horns as well, that punctuate the piece. The concertina/accordion comes back in after
some percussive clinks and an almost African-sounding plucked, stringed
instrument. Horns come in and wander
about with everyone else, I can just see Tom sitting on a stool at the bar,
observing it all. May I interrupt this message and say that I thought the last
one was difficult. This one is in it’s
own stratosphere, as far as voting, with everyone’s entries! And continuing with George: Hanafugestu “Crimson” Very pretty music from a Japanese ensemble,
playing traditional instruments, shakuhatchi and koto, as well as piano with a
lilting-voiced singer….all in traditional garb as well. There is certainly a strong element of
classical Japanese music, with the instrumentation….and combining the lovely
voice of the female singer in a more modern style. Very light in feel, it would seem the subject
is a happy one. Unfolk “Bedroom
Discotheque” Song starts with low notes
on guitar, supported by drums and bass. Male singer in very 80’s style. There are some nice cello or violin
embellishments. The song uses imagery of
turntable speeds, melting wax and lists various styles of popular music in the
lyrics. Yes, he DOES sound like Peter
Murphy a bit, now that I’m reading what you said. “Tuva Farewell,” from Genghis Blues
soundtrack, with Paul Pena. I enjoy some
of the tuva music that I’ve heard. I’m
not a fan of modern “growling,” which this resembles, but it’s authentic here,
for some reason it always sounds contrived when I hear it from metal/prog
outfits. This combines a traditional
American folk sound from the main singer, his guitar and maybe a slide guitar
or dobro?, with the addition of a tuva singer.
Really a fun piece, the tuva singer underneath the guitars and such
sounds a bit like a jaw harp. Looked him
up, what an interesting and tragic life. The Anders: Sorten Muld “Bonden og Elverpigen”
Keyboards and percussion begin the song, then a dulcet female voice
joins in. String sounds are added with a
whispered vocal underpinning the main vocal.
There is then some violin (or is it nyckelharpa?) and flute-type sounds,
along with another back vocal, kind of scatting along. The piece fades out similar to the way it
began. Pervolargia “Garden” Lovely Greek piece with violin, probably
bouzouki and an instrument that sounds like a kanun or santur. Female singer, apparently Stella Marnelaki,
from what I’m able to gather looking about online. Sounds Greek to me! I enjoyed this, I’ve always loved going to
Greek festivals here in the US and love Greek food, as well as the music,
although I don’t know as much about their traditional instruments as I do
Middle Eastern. Wonderful addition. Lewian: The Danish String Quartet “Sonderho Bridal
Trilogy Part II” I love string quartets.
This piece begins in an uplifting way and feel, with undertones of
sentimentalism. It quickly moves off
into a more spirited mode, repeating the main melody, but with more emphasis on
the upbeat feeling. It drops into a
thoughtful portion as the song slowly comes to a fade, with the final notes
being the melody played solo. |
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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The Elbphilharmonie somehow makes me think of those paper hats from Burger King...
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15151 |
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Oh, I remember... I have something Danish to play actually... some friends of mine try (tried... before C. ![]() Here's the Elbphilharmonie... It took much longer to build and was much more expensive than planned and people were up in arms against this "waste of money" - but since it's ready, everybody loves it. ![]() Edited by Lewian - March 21 2021 at 16:58 |
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My next (and probably final) contribution is a song from Naples with an American connection. Though more recent than most of the material recorded by Nuova Compagnia di Canto Popolare - an ensemble that has been active for over 50 years - this song, written in 1944, is very well-known in Italy, and has its roots in the dire situation of the country at the end of WWII. Based on a true story, the song is about a boy born with dark skin - the child of a Neapolitan woman and a Black American GI. When I was in high school, the band came to perform at my school, and I still remember how much fun we had, dancing and singing along to their music. |
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Thanks for your always very keen comments. Perhaps what you have identified as an Italian way of singing (Italianate sound) depends on the fact that both Adriano Celentano and the Stormy Six are from Milan. Milan is in northern Italy, and the Milanese have an accent that has an inflection that comes in part from France. In central and southern Italy there is a great variety of dialects and inflections, Italy having been a land of passage, colonized by many peoples. The first song, The boy from via Gluck, is sung with a strong Milanese accent, the singing is precisely cadenced in order to make the Milanese speech heard.
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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And here, my final contribution; this time we go to Greece. It's from a CD of tradtional songs from the Greek islands. |
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Thanks. That's actually a favorite of mine.
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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My second contribution is a modern take on a traditional Danish folk song. The so-called 'folkeviser' (German: Volksweisen, English: folk ballads) are songs that have been taught from generation to generation, so no-one knows who actually wrote them in first place. Of course they have changed a lot over time. They are typically strophic and have a narrative structure of some sorts. Most of them were written down in the 16th and 19th Centuries. "Bonden og elverpigen" (The peasant and the elf girl) was written down by N.F.S. Grundtvig some time in the 19th Century if I remember correctly, but its origin is obviously a lot older. Sorten Muld have made a name out of modernizing these old folk songs by mixing electronic sounds with more traditional folk instruments, a bit like the Swedish/Finnish band Hedningarna. The recording is from 1997. |
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