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^^ Yeah see Gangster Rap is where I start enjoying hip hop. I think Hip Hop from the last 10 years at least for me is the peak of the genre, they're able to push to boundaries of production value to totally uncharted territories and I love some of the conceptual works of albums like To Pimp a Butterfly, IGOR and Atrocity Exhibition.

I think a lot of members might find something to enjoy in the Experimental Hip Hop or Abstract Hip Hop vein, it's pretty much prog rap if you ask me.


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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

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<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">Yes. For me, music has to have rhythm, melody, and harmony. Acepella is only one out of three.</span>

Music has to have sound, sound, and sound. That's more than enough.
If only sound - then a jet taking off is music. Hearing your neighbors fight is music. A percussion jam is music or you dog barking is music. Nonsense.
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A lot of metal doesn't have harmony, free jazz may not have some of these components either on top of the aforementioned ambient and electronic music. I don't think music needs to fall into any sort of narrow black and white definition, especially not one coined by Neanderthal in Chief: Ben Shapiro 

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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Yes. For me, music has to have rhythm, melody, and harmony. Acepella is only one out of three.

Music has to have sound, sound, and sound. That's more than enough.

Hence musique concrète.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">Yes. For me, music has to have rhythm, melody, and harmony. Acepella is only one out of three.</span>

Music has to have sound, sound, and sound. That's more than enough.
If only sound - then a jet taking off is music. Hearing your neighbors fight is music. A percussion jam is music or you dog barking is music. Nonsense.

Ultimately music is made by the listener in the brain. It's pretty meaningless to discuss whether something is "really" music or not.
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^Intention by the artists is an important signifier. It's like framing in painting or sketching.
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

^Intention by the artists is an important signifier. It's like framing in painting or sketching.

Ultimately this thread is not the right place to have that discussion, I'd say. I'm well aware that what I'm saying can be quite controversial. Obviously I'm giving you statements but not arguments here and of course nobody has to buy that. In another forum I have the signature "The opposite is also true". Big smile
I'd be happy to expand and exchange though if somebody gives this discussion its own home.
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I agree. I made a new thread in General Music. And I agree with your statements, by the way.

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