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It's one of those iconic albums that got played to death on American radio to the point that it's no longer listenable to me.
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Yes it's probably overrated, and the songs are simplistic.   But it's also a great record, and the reason is because of how it sounds.   Like most albums, it's the production, mix, engineering, and studio timbre that makes the difference.
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Rumours is awesome. It deserves all the accolades it gets and more.
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Top Nine Best-Selling Albums of All Time:-
 
1. Michael Jackson - Thriller (1982)
2. AC/DC - Back in Black (1980)
3. Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell (1977)
4. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
5. Whitney Houston - The Bodyguard (1992)
6. Eagles - Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975 (1976)
7. Bee Gees & Various Artists - Saturday Night Fever (1977)
8. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours (1977)
9. Shania Twain - Come On Over (1997)
 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Top Nine Best-Selling Albums of All Time:-
 
1. Michael Jackson - Thriller (1982)
2. AC/DC - Back in Black (1980)
3. Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell (1977)
4. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
5. Whitney Houston - The Bodyguard (1992)
6. Eagles - Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975 (1976)
7. Bee Gees & Various Artists - Saturday Night Fever (1977)
8. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours (1977)
9. Shania Twain - Come On Over (1997)
 

I wonder what the prog top 9 best-selling albums look like?Geek
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^ depends where you're looking, I've just googled top selling albums and it's a different list. LOL
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Top Nine Best-Selling Albums of All Time:-
 
1. Michael Jackson - Thriller (1982)
2. AC/DC - Back in Black (1980)
3. Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell (1977)
4. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
5. Whitney Houston - The Bodyguard (1992)
6. Eagles - Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975 (1976)
7. Bee Gees & Various Artists - Saturday Night Fever (1977)
8. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours (1977)
9. Shania Twain - Come On Over (1997)
 


So, No. 10 must be Einstürzende Neubauten - Halber Mensch
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Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Top Nine Best-Selling Albums of All Time:-
 
1. Michael Jackson - Thriller (1982)
2. AC/DC - Back in Black (1980)
3. Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell (1977)
4. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
5. Whitney Houston - The Bodyguard (1992)
6. Eagles - Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975 (1976)
7. Bee Gees & Various Artists - Saturday Night Fever (1977)
8. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours (1977)
9. Shania Twain - Come On Over (1997)
 

I wonder what the prog top 9 best-selling albums look like?Geek
The Top 25 Best Progressive Rock Albums (although not necessarily the best-sellers) Smile
 
1. King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King (1969)
2. Genesis - Selling England by the Pound (1973)
3. Yes - Close to the Edge (1972)
4. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
5. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick (1972)
6. Rush - Moving Pictures (1981)
7. King Crimson - Red (1974)
8. Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here (1975)
9. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Emerson, Lake & Palmer (1970)
10. Jethro Tull - Aqualung (1971)
11. Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (1974)
12. Rush - Hemispheres (1978)
13. King Crimson - Discipline (1981)
14. Pink Floyd - Animals (1977)
15. Yes - The Yes Album (1971)
16. Camel - The Snow Goose (1975)
17. Jethro Tull - A Passion Play (1973)
18. Genesis - Foxtrot (1972)
19. Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts (1972)
20. Gentle Giant - Octopus (1972)
21. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Tarkus (1971)
22. Rush - 2112 (1976)
23. Pink Floyd - The Wall (1979)
24. Yes - Fragile (1971)
25. King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic (1973)
 
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Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Top Nine Best-Selling Albums of All Time:-
 
1. Michael Jackson - Thriller (1982)
2. AC/DC - Back in Black (1980)
3. Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell (1977)
4. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
5. Whitney Houston - The Bodyguard (1992)
6. Eagles - Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975 (1976)
7. Bee Gees & Various Artists - Saturday Night Fever (1977)
8. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours (1977)
9. Shania Twain - Come On Over (1997)
 

I wonder what the prog top 9 best-selling albums look like?Geek

Probably consists Pink Floyd, Kansas, Yes, Jethro Tull, Rush, Tubular Bells, Moody Blues, ELP
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


Top Nine Best-Selling Albums of All Time:-
 
1. Michael Jackson - Thriller (1982)
2. AC/DC - Back in Black (1980)
3. Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell (1977)
4. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
5. Whitney Houston - The Bodyguard (1992)
6. Eagles - Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975 (1976)
7. Bee Gees & Various Artists - Saturday Night Fever (1977)
8. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours (1977)
9. Shania Twain - Come On Over (1997)
 

I wonder what the prog top 9 best-selling albums look like?Geek


Probably consists Pink Floyd, Kansas, Yes, Jethro Tull, Rush, Tubular Bells, Moody Blues, ELP
Prog or later pop, I'm sure that Genesis is in the top three.
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I thought about that ^ but I didn't want to start a flame war LOL
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I thought about that ^ but I didn't want to start a flame war LOL
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Second Hand News and Never Going Back Again have always been some of my favorites

me too.  Buckingham increasingly carried the group as time went by.  "Tango in the NIght" was another album I liked a lot and it was mostly because of Buckingham
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It’s an exceptional album, deservedly mega selling. I also love Tusk. The Mac were a great band, and Buckingham is a genius. One of my favourite non-prog albums is Gift Of Screws.

I love Tusk too.  It's got some of Buckingham's most quirky pieces as well as great contributions by the other two singer/songwriters
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I wouldn't call the Soap Opera Fleetwood over-rated.

If anything I think the Peter Green Fleetwood Mac is over-rated, nowadays. Outside their excellent Then Play On (both US and European version), most of their albums are just average blues-rock albums (don't get me wrong, I love blues rock) with the odd cool hits. Sooo, I can't help but thinking that if FM ever is over-rated in the band's career, it would've been nowadays, when talking of their 68/71 era.



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I would not call it overrated. Like it or not, it's a rock solid album.


Yup,probably the best-selling Yacht Rock album of all time.

Their previous one (FM) was not nearly as good, and TBH, I always found Tusk a waste of electricity and decibels.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I wouldn't call the Soap Opera Fleetwood over-rated.

If anything I think the Peter Green Fleetwood Mac is over-rated, nowadays. Outside their excellent Then Play On (both US and European version), most of their albums are just average blues-rock albums (don't get me wrong, I love blues rock) with the odd cool hits. Sooo, I can't help but thinking that if FM ever is over-rated in the band's career, it would've been nowadays, when talking of their 68/71 era.


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How is Peter Green era overrated?! The mainstream listener does not even know it exists. 
There are FM compilations that only include Steve Nicks era songs. 

It's only listeners that are into blues that listen to the Peter Green albums. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I wouldn't call the Soap Opera Fleetwood over-rated.

If anything I think the Peter Green Fleetwood Mac is over-rated, nowadays. Outside their excellent Then Play On (both US and European version), most of their albums are just average blues-rock albums (don't get me wrong, I love blues rock) with the odd cool hits. Sooo, I can't help but thinking that if FM ever is over-rated in the band's career, it would've been nowadays, when talking of their 68/71 era.


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How is Peter Green era overrated?! The mainstream listener does not even know it exists. 
There are FM compilations that only include Steve Nicks era songs. 

It's only listeners that are into blues that listen to the Peter Green albums. 

You're right! Before I went online in 2010, the only Fleetwood Mac song I'd heard before the Stevie Nicks era was "Albatross", mainly because that's the only Peter Green era Fleetwood Mac song that gets played regularly on the radio. Embarrassed
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I wouldn't call the Soap Opera Fleetwood over-rated.

If anything I think the Peter Green Fleetwood Mac is over-rated, nowadays. Outside their excellent Then Play On (both US and European version), most of their albums are just average blues-rock albums (don't get me wrong, I love blues rock) with the odd cool hits. Sooo, I can't help but thinking that if FM ever is over-rated in the band's career, it would've been nowadays, when talking of their 68/71 era.


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How is Peter Green era overrated?! The mainstream listener does not even know it exists. 
There are FM compilations that only include Steve Nicks era songs. 

It's only listeners that are into blues that listen to the Peter Green albums. 



There are many compilation and archives exploitation discs of the Peter Green-only era.... probably more than the Soap opera years. Wink

As for being over-rated, they can be so within a genre niche (blues-related music), and I think you understimate the PGFM popularity in both classic rock and mainstream. They had many hits in their early days, which are still getting airplay today.




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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I wouldn't call the Soap Opera Fleetwood over-rated.

If anything I think the Peter Green Fleetwood Mac is over-rated, nowadays. Outside their excellent Then Play On (both US and European version), most of their albums are just average blues-rock albums (don't get me wrong, I love blues rock) with the odd cool hits. Sooo, I can't help but thinking that if FM ever is over-rated in the band's career, it would've been nowadays, when talking of their 68/71 era.


I do not understand. Confused
How is Peter Green era overrated?! The mainstream listener does not even know it exists. 
There are FM compilations that only include Steve Nicks era songs. 

It's only listeners that are into blues that listen to the Peter Green albums. 



There are many comilation and archives exploitation discs of the Peter Green-only era.... probably more than the Soap opera years.

As for being over-rated, they can be so within a genre niche (blues-related music), and I think yoy're understimate the PGFM popularity in both classic rock and mainstream. They had many hits in their early days, which are still getting airplay today.


I don't think I underestimate at all. I've seen a couple of docs about FM, and guess which era of the band was praised the most. The Nicks era obviously. 

PGFM are only popular for people who like blues. And Peter Green deserves all the appreciation and fame he's got. 
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I'm not sure if anyone covered this or not but if Rumors didn't exist we wouldn't have a video of a guy on a skateboard drinking cranberry juice lip syncing Dreams, so there's that. Confused
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