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Gentle Giant is hard to get into, but worth it. |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Yeah, I never appreciated Knots. That makes me an utter Philistine in GG circles. It's apparently beautiful and very clever. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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LAM-SGC ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 26 2018 Location: se Status: Offline Points: 1550 |
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OMFG!!! THANK YOU to those who recommended Interview, now I'm angry at myself for not listening to it much sooner.
As a Cardiacs fan, I now understand what Cardiacs meant when they said GG were a huge influence .. Yes and clearly a mine of ideas, Riffs, hooks and melodies. I never truly understood this while listening to the earlier albums, but now I fully understand why they call GG a huge influence For example, I've just listened to the amazing Design and Timing and there are at least three very obvious bits in each that Cardiacs lifted right out and used intact. I urge all Cardiacs fans, who haven't heard Design yet, to listen to it. And the rest of the album in fact. I think this might now be my favourite GG album. ![]() Edited by LAM-SGC - March 02 2020 at 02:58 |
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LAM-SGC ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 26 2018 Location: se Status: Offline Points: 1550 |
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"I think they're more accessible than a lot of stuff KC or Frank Zappa put out, back in the day.. "
This. My feeling exactly. |
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I prophesy disaster ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 31 2017 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 4922 |
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I think it should be noted that different people may like or dislike a piece of music for different reasons. It seems common to suggest that people dislike Gentle Giant because of its complexity. But I never had an issue with Gentle Giant's complexity. The reason for my initial dislike of Gentle Giant was because of its "folkishness".
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No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man.
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LAM-SGC ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 26 2018 Location: se Status: Offline Points: 1550 |
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"If you enjoyed IaGH and TPatG then I definitely recommend Interview. It might be one of their hardest albums to get into due to its complex dense arrangements and flirtings with dissonance but I personally think it's one of their most rewarding listens."
That won't be a problem, I'm a huge fan of Cardiacs ;) |
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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GG can get incredibly dense at times, and the vocals can wear on you if you're not privy to them. Minstrel music isn't a priority for most LOL. I heard someone once say "Knots" made them nauseous.
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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I never thought of GG output as weird. They're 'quirky' I guess, but a lot of their music, although very complex is really quite melodic. I think they're more accessible than a lot of stuff KC or Frank Zappa put out, back in the day, and certainly more accessible than many bands who came along years later, and deliberately set out to be 'different' Maudlin of the Well, Sleeptime Gorilla Museum et al.. GG were quite organic, and were really just who they were, with very little pretense IMO. My issue with GG is hard to articulate, beyond I just find a lot of it irritating, and I'm not keen on the vocals. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Mirakaze ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Eclectic, JRF/Canterbury, Avant/Zeuhl Joined: December 17 2019 Location: (redacted) Status: Offline Points: 4251 |
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If you enjoyed IaGH and TPatG then I definitely recommend Interview. It might be one of their hardest albums to get into due to its complex dense arrangements and flirtings with dissonance but I personally think it's one of their most rewarding listens. Also, I know a lot of people don't like it (including the band members themselves) and that it's not really a prog album, but I'll always defend Civilian as a decent attempt at musical reinvention.
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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Not surprised, but I always laugh at "how long" it takes some of these bands to click with some folk. GG and VDGG clicked almost immediately. I blame my musical background, though!
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29607 |
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Everything up to Interview is worth checking out. All are good although In A Glass House is the one I struggle with most although I will still occasionally give it a spin. Most of their albums have some nice 'hooks' but that one doesn't. Minnear is incredible on it though. Octopus is usually considered the best entry point for them as it's a little more straightforward and they 'rock out' a bit more on that. The Power and The Glory is the one clicked with me straight away probably because of those 'hooks'.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18995 |
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Only when I very first listened to them a looooooonggg time ago did I think they were hard to get into(particularly the three friends album). Eventually I grew to enjoy them.
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dougmcauliffe ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 23 2019 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
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^ looks like you got the essentials! I’ve never heard interview but a lot of people seem to like that one however.
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LAM-SGC ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 26 2018 Location: se Status: Offline Points: 1550 |
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The order I listened to the first five albums the very first time and all in the space of a few days was:
AtT O GG TF IaGH Quite a while after that the next ones I heard, having found them on cheap secondhand vinyl were: Giant For a Day and Free Hand then after that TPatG. I haven't listened to any others after those eight. So a question, am I missing any gems in their output? |
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Manuel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 09 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13481 |
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I've always liked Gentle Giant, from the very first time I heard them.
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zwordser ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 04 2008 Location: Southwest US Status: Offline Points: 1398 |
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I was a bit taken aback by my first GG listen (TPATG), but it didn't take long to warm up to the band. VDGG took a little longer.
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LAM-SGC ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 26 2018 Location: se Status: Offline Points: 1550 |
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When I listen to songs like Nothing At All, I feel like I'm listening to a great 60s pop band like early Floyd or The Kinks or Love or The Moody Blues rather than a prog band.
After the early Floyd pop songs, the great Julia Dream for example, I feel that GG had the nicest songs lyrically and melodically. |
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LAM-SGC ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 26 2018 Location: se Status: Offline Points: 1550 |
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GG appealed to me and had me hooked from the very first song I heard many years ago, which was Pantagruel's Nativity on a prog rock compilation, and I immediately listened to the first four or five first albums on the strength of how much I liked that song..
That said, no matter how much I tried over the years I could never get into VDGG or ELP. Edited by LAM-SGC - March 01 2020 at 17:56 |
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Junges ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 19 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 646 |
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Took me quite some time to get into them too, but like you said... it's worth it.
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12458 |
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Loved them the instant I heard them. One of my all time favorite bands. Welcome
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Progosopher ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 12 2009 Location: Coolwood Status: Offline Points: 6472 |
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The first GG album I heard in its entirety was Octopus and I absolutely loved it. By that time, though, Yes, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Genesis, solo Hackett and Gabriel, were standard listening for me. I fully agree that they are not an easy band to get into as idiosyncratic and fantastically complex as the music is. I do not normally advocate for a listener to try to hard to get into a band, but at the same time I also say that if something in the sound is intriguing, if not entirely appealing, then keep listening. GG is one of those bands who reward an attempt. I now have half a dozen of their albums. Some of us are more musically adventurous than others; the rewards are not easily seen by those who prefer the mainstream, but for those of us who know, we have found some rare jewels indeed.
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The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
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