Gentle Giant is hard to get into, but worth it.
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Topic: Gentle Giant is hard to get into, but worth it.
Posted By: Tethro Juul
Subject: Gentle Giant is hard to get into, but worth it.
Date Posted: March 01 2020 at 13:27
| I finally did it folks. I made myself a Gentle Giant fan. I'll admit it was hard at first; "So Sincere" turned me off because I thought it was too weird. So I thought I'd try their other albums to see if I liked them better. I worked my way up from the debut to TPATG and by the time I got to it, I began to understand the appeal of their vocals and how unique it was and I was able to make it past So Sincere and enjoy a really interesting and great album. Did anybody else have a similar experience with GG? |
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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: March 01 2020 at 13:58
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I hated them for 8 months before I got into them. They're awesome, top 5 prog band for me. Acquiring the Taste was the album that convinced me. ------------- The sun has left the sky... ...Now you can close your eyes |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 01 2020 at 14:03
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Hi, When it first came out, and we heard it ... it was easy to get into ... there was absolutely NOTHING out there that even came close to the kind of musicianship that you heard on GG. There was a lot of rock music, and a lot of psychedelic things, a lot of really loud cheap "heavy music", and a lot of this and that ... but when that first album came out on VERTIGO (1970), it was a stunner, and I never heard anyone from my days not get into it ... It was later when folks became saturated with "hit" radio in the FM dial (late 70's early 80's) that things like GG were not able to get on the air as much, and the appreciation for something different was not exactly heard ... and folks went further away from music that sometimes defies description. (... remember that the early FM radio in America was quite free all the way to 1974/1975 and did not, per se, involve listening lists or top ten ... !!!!! Very important consideration as you heard a lot more things that you would not have heard otherwise!)
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: March 01 2020 at 14:20
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The first GG album I heard in its entirety was Octopus and I absolutely loved it. By that time, though, Yes, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Genesis, solo Hackett and Gabriel, were standard listening for me. I fully agree that they are not an easy band to get into as idiosyncratic and fantastically complex as the music is. I do not normally advocate for a listener to try to hard to get into a band, but at the same time I also say that if something in the sound is intriguing, if not entirely appealing, then keep listening. GG is one of those bands who reward an attempt. I now have half a dozen of their albums. Some of us are more musically adventurous than others; the rewards are not easily seen by those who prefer the mainstream, but for those of us who know, we have found some rare jewels indeed. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 01 2020 at 15:43
| Loved them the instant I heard them. One of my all time favorite bands. Welcome |
Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: March 01 2020 at 16:13
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Took me quite some time to get into them too, but like you said... it's worth it. ------------- 
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: March 01 2020 at 17:54
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GG appealed to me and had me hooked from the very first song I heard many years ago, which was Pantagruel's Nativity on a prog rock compilation, and I immediately listened to the first four or five first albums on the strength of how much I liked that song.. That said, no matter how much I tried over the years I could never get into VDGG or ELP. |
Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: March 01 2020 at 18:48
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When I listen to songs like Nothing At All, I feel like I'm listening to a great 60s pop band like early Floyd or The Kinks or Love or The Moody Blues rather than a prog band. After the early Floyd pop songs, the great Julia Dream for example, I feel that GG had the nicest songs lyrically and melodically. |
Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: March 01 2020 at 19:01
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I was a bit taken aback by my first GG listen (TPATG), but it didn't take long to warm up to the band. VDGG took a little longer. ------------- Z |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: March 01 2020 at 19:10
| I've always liked Gentle Giant, from the very first time I heard them. |
Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: March 01 2020 at 19:20
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The order I listened to the first five albums the very first time and all in the space of a few days was: AtT O GG TF IaGH Quite a while after that the next ones I heard, having found them on cheap secondhand vinyl were: Giant For a Day and Free Hand then after that TPatG. I haven't listened to any others after those eight. So a question, am I missing any gems in their output? |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: March 01 2020 at 21:12
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^ looks like you got the essentials! I’ve never heard interview but a lot of people seem to like that one however. ------------- The sun has left the sky... ...Now you can close your eyes |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 01 2020 at 21:28
| Only when I very first listened to them a looooooonggg time ago did I think they were hard to get into(particularly the three friends album). Eventually I grew to enjoy them. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 00:15
| Everything up to Interview is worth checking out. All are good although In A Glass House is the one I struggle with most although I will still occasionally give it a spin. Most of their albums have some nice 'hooks' but that one doesn't. Minnear is incredible on it though. Octopus is usually considered the best entry point for them as it's a little more straightforward and they 'rock out' a bit more on that. The Power and The Glory is the one clicked with me straight away probably because of those 'hooks'. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 00:58
Not surprised, but I always laugh at "how long" it takes some of these bands to click with some folk. GG and VDGG clicked almost immediately. I blame my musical background, though!   ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 01:23
If you enjoyed IaGH and TPatG then I definitely recommend Interview. It might be one of their hardest albums to get into due to its complex dense arrangements and flirtings with dissonance but I personally think it's one of their most rewarding listens. Also, I know a lot of people don't like it (including the band members themselves) and that it's not really a prog album, but I'll always defend Civilian as a decent attempt at musical reinvention.
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LAM-SGC wrote:Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 01:59
I never thought of GG output as weird. They're 'quirky' I guess, but a lot of their music, although very complex is really quite melodic. I think they're more accessible than a lot of stuff KC or Frank Zappa put out, back in the day, and certainly more accessible than many bands who came along years later, and deliberately set out to be 'different' Maudlin of the Well, Sleeptime Gorilla Museum et al.. GG were quite organic, and were really just who they were, with very little pretense IMO. My issue with GG is hard to articulate, beyond I just find a lot of it irritating, and I'm not keen on the vocals. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 02:07
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GG can get incredibly dense at times, and the vocals can wear on you if you're not privy to them. Minstrel music isn't a priority for most LOL. I heard someone once say "Knots" made them nauseous. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 02:19
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"If you enjoyed IaGH and TPatG then I definitely recommend Interview. It might be one of their hardest albums to get into due to its complex dense arrangements and flirtings with dissonance but I personally think it's one of their most rewarding listens." That won't be a problem, I'm a huge fan of Cardiacs ;) |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 02:21
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I think it should be noted that different people may like or dislike a piece of music for different reasons. It seems common to suggest that people dislike Gentle Giant because of its complexity. But I never had an issue with Gentle Giant's complexity. The reason for my initial dislike of Gentle Giant was because of its "folkishness". ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 02:22
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"I think they're more accessible than a lot of stuff KC or Frank Zappa put out, back in the day.. " This. My feeling exactly. |
Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 02:56
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OMFG!!! THANK YOU to those who recommended Interview, now I'm angry at myself for not listening to it much sooner. As a Cardiacs fan, I now understand what Cardiacs meant when they said GG were a huge influence .. Yes and clearly a mine of ideas, Riffs, hooks and melodies. I never truly understood this while listening to the earlier albums, but now I fully understand why they call GG a huge influence For example, I've just listened to the amazing Design and Timing and there are at least three very obvious bits in each that Cardiacs lifted right out and used intact. I urge all Cardiacs fans, who haven't heard Design yet, to listen to it. And the rest of the album in fact. I think this might now be my favourite GG album. 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 03:15
Yeah, I never appreciated Knots. That makes me an utter Philistine in GG circles. It's apparently beautiful and very clever. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 03:43
It's honestly not a track I go to. I usually skip it. Most of Octopus, actually. First track, last track, and The Boys in The Band are my favorites from that one. I'm all about In a Glass House and TPATG. My father even likened GG to a "Frank Zappa backing band" when I once showed him The Boys in The Band, lol  .------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 03:47
Yeah, you can definitely hear the Zappa coming through quite clearly on No God's a Man. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 03:51
I'm one of the few that actually enjoy Interview for the most part! I Lost My Head is one of the best GG tracks ever IMHO. What a closer!
It's all good, and I agree. I don't complain. That's exactly how I like my prog!  ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 04:18
| Me too. :) |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 05:08
I always felt that Octopus was their most consistent album. The Advent of Panurge is probably my favourite GG song, if I had to choose one. There are some good tracks on PTATG too, notably Playing the Game, Procalamation and Aspirations. They certainly had the chops to be Zappa's backing band. I'm sure they would have met his high standards. GG have a significant place in prog history, and their musicianship is to be admired greatly, but for me, that olde minstral formula is just a bit grating after a while. I heard that Brian May was a fan, and they supported Queen on one of their early tours. Not sure if that's true, but it wouldn't have been a bad combo for a live show. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Spacegod87
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 07:49
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"Gentle Giant is hard to get into.." I've seen this written a lot on this site. I never had an issue getting into GG. Adored them since note one. Believe it or not, it was Genesis that I couldn't get into at first...GENESIS! How embarrassing... |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 08:19
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Totally worth the effort. GG is one of my favorite bands ever. ------------- The Prog Corner |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 08:33
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It’s a little funny. Every time a prog band divides opinion...someone suggests that it’s because the band is too complex/prog for the casual listener. Never fails. I’m not sure how many times I’ve read that comment in threads about Gentle Giant or ELP. I don’t subscribe to that though. Personally I had some trouble getting into Gentle Giant...but that was because I thought they sounded like Robin Hood prog. I had all these images of men in Peter Pan-like tights dancing quaintly about whilst singing their polyphonic odes to maids without teeth. Nowadays I really dig their first couple of albums...not because I got accustomed to the complexity..nah because I reconciled with Robin’s flair  ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 09:18
| I'm actually in the process of " getting in to" Gentle Giant. I'm not familiar with all of their stuff but I've been checking them out more and more. I love a lot of the instrumental sections. I not totally on board with some of the vocals yet. Like I said, It's a process. |
Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 11:22
| I liked GG the first time I heard Octopus. It took a few starts though to get over the harmony start. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 11:31
Hi, GENESIS, is far more conventional in their music, than GG ever was ... and I don't think that it was weird or strange, specially considering that "modern music" had gone in so many directions that you could not pinpoint anything ... and you kinda see that in GG's vocals and then instrumentation. My favorite part of it all ... there is an interview with an Italian know it all about music, giving Gary a lesson on what prog is ... and Gary says ... "... we never wrote anything ... we just played!" I think that a lot of the things they created may have been bits and pieces played with in rehearsal and at fun time ... and they stuck with it, because it made sense to use it ... not because they wanted to look cute and far out! If MUSIC is the end result, it really doesn't matter how it's done ... and what GG did is by far one of the best and most amazing listing of albums and music in anyone's lifetime.
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 11:43
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As with various others, I also found getting into Gentle Giant easy. It depends upon the kinds of music you were already into. It would prove much more of a challenge for me to get into big names here such as Spock's Beard and Dream Theater. |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 11:49
------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: RockHound
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 11:49
| I started with Three Friends, which I enjoyed but didn't see as stellar. Next came Octopus, which took me a few listens to grok. I became hooked as I began to understand the music, and The Power and the Glory sucked me in permanently. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 13:09
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I'm sort of the, "I liked GG on first listen, grew to love the band, then largely lost interest" persuasion. I started by downloading a couple of songs for my first mp3 player (what I had on that was song based rather than albums). It was the song "Free Hand" that got into my skull. Not long after I purchased Acquiring the taste, which remained my favourite Gentle Giant album, and I bought all of the other studio albums in bulk. I liked the first eight (all up to and including Interview very much), and seriously disliked The Missing Piece, Giant For a Day and Civilian. Gentle Giant was my favourite band, well that and Premiata Forneria Marconi, for some time before joining this site. At some time later I went very off Gentle Giant -- stopped listening altogether for years. Now I can only take GG in moderation and hardly ever feel like playing it. Interestingly, I discovered VdGG at the same time, and while GG immediately appealed that much more, VdGG is the one that managed to hold my interest. I did hold GG in much higher regard then. Another band I started getting into a a little later, Magma, also managed to hold my interest (mind you, that's a longer career with many more albums). Actually, I also lost most of my interest in Magma for quite some time. I once did a topic on bands we we were once major fans of and then lost interest, and Gentle Giant was one of my personal examples. That said, I can enjoy GG more than I did ten years ago, but no where near as much as 14 and 15 years ago. As I got to explore more and more music, it just didn't seem as great as I once thought. |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 13:22
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I first knew of them while attending their July 1976 show in San Diego with Yes and Peter Frampton. I recall it being a short set that did little to nothing for me. Then, a friend took me to a small party where the hosts were frothing at the mouth at the mere mention of them. Sometime later, said friend played for me Knots, and I was, again, left cold. In time, I took it upon myself to concentrate on a listening of Acquiring the Taste and was astounded by how excellent it (they) really was (were). Big fan ever since, sans The Power and the Glory, Giant for a Day!, and Civilian. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: March 02 2020 at 13:30
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Throughout my student years, I hated GG. I spat on them. Then, around the late 90s, I listened to Free Hand. And then the other albums: suddenly it all just clicked. The same has happened, to a lesser extent, with The Cardiacs. The other bands I had massive problems with were VDGG and KC. I've listened repeatedly to Godbluff, Pawn Hearts, LTIA, Red and the rest, and I still hate them. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 03 2020 at 01:25
Robin Hood prog is spot on, that's exactly how I viewed Tull at first LOL!  Spot on about the "complexity" argument, as well. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 03 2020 at 03:17
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Yeah that Robin Hood tag also went down a treat with a buddy of mine who bought the 4 first records yet had incredible difficulty in describing what he was hearing. I believe he said something about jester music meets rock and I mentioned Robin Hood The complexity thing is weird in that it really is relative to where people are coming from. Gentle Giant IS complex music compared to say Dolly Parton or Right Said Fred..but stacked up against Rachmaninov or Charles Mingus...not so much. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 03 2020 at 03:19
Thanks for a good laugh Simon. Very nice way to start a rainy tuesday. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Enchant X
Date Posted: March 03 2020 at 05:51
I rarely like gentle giant the first time I listen to a CD but the second time they hook me in .. its a funny band in that way there's much to digest. 
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 03 2020 at 07:49
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For me they were definitely 'hard to get into'....bought Acquiring the Taste at college ..it had been out for a year by then but I saw it at the local record shop in Bloomington, Indiana at IU. I thought it was interesting but quirky....didn't play it as much as other albums. Took me many years to acquire the taste (that was for Psychedelic Paul). I own the first 8 up to and including Interview, but I still have to be in the mood to play them. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Dopeydoc
Date Posted: March 03 2020 at 12:31
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I've been telling my friends for almost fifty years now that is I were to be left on a desert island with only one band's albums, it would be GG. Still true today. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 03 2020 at 12:41
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In a Glass House is still their supreme entry for me. TPATG is a close second. What a powerful band! ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: March 04 2020 at 06:49
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Started with Octopus. Thought it was just OK. Put it aside for about a year. Listened to it again. Bought the rest of their discography. Enjoyed every studio album they made, from start to finish. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Klobb
Date Posted: March 04 2020 at 11:26
| They were sort of an acquired taste for me because I kept trying to get into them via Octopus and their self-title album, but the Power and the Glory, it grabbed me immediately and I haven't looked back since. |
Posted By: musical_simpleton
Date Posted: March 06 2020 at 21:00
| I've always thought Gentle Giant's difficulty was overblown. In fact, I find most of their work much more accessible than many other prog bands, such as King Crimson. Their music can be quite elaborate, but they also write great, catchy riffs and can lay down a nasty groove. |
Posted By: tamijo_II
Date Posted: March 07 2020 at 00:02
This ------------- Same person as this profile: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=22524" rel="nofollow - Tamijo |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 07 2020 at 01:49
Agreed. My ears also enjoy complex meter and time signature work, so GG for me was like the ground floor standard for a decent band LOL .Again, IAGH title track showcases all of their strongest points IMHO. That groovey rock riff that comes in about 2/3 through is arguably the best riff they've ever had. Gary Green was on FIRE on this record. Musical masters, to say the very least. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: LilithFC
Date Posted: March 10 2020 at 16:42
| Yeah, I was like 12 when I first evoked interest, I saw their work from recommendations via Spotify, (Probably because I was listening to Frank Zappa, and King Gizz), and at first this was when I first listened to Prog and I was like: "What is this?? This sounds like full on Medieval sh*t", but I listened to Proclamation, and I was just groovin' to it. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: March 11 2020 at 02:22
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Was easy for me. Catchy, complex, clever ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 11 2020 at 11:10
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I went backwards, liking them when I first discovered them in the 80s to disliking them greatly. They are worthwhile in that there are some things they do well: complex polyrhythms and harmonies, and medieval music, for instance. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 05:01
| Not a band I play very much, but I like their first three albums. School days is a marvelous song. |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: March 12 2020 at 08:50
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I loved GG from the first. Never found them "difficult" to be honest. Just awesome!!! ------------- The Prog Corner |
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: March 16 2020 at 14:21
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OK, I may have just found the album that brings me on board with GG. Just listened to In a Glass House all the way through. For me this was the prefect combination of weird & accessible . Really like it a lot!
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 16 2020 at 18:35
My favorite GG record .The title track is my favorite. The rock riff in the second half is one of the best math rock riffs, somehow still attaining melody and balls, ever. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: pancho253
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 22:07
| I had the same problem at first, but after a month or so I started to really like it after octopus. |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 22:10
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I remember when I first joined the forums I made a very fiery immature post about how much I hated them, someone suggested acquiring the taste and a week later I made another post about how I had changed my mind and I loved them. Could not a have been a good first impression to many! ------------- The sun has left the sky... ...Now you can close your eyes |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 22:22
| Octopus was my first album by GG back in the mid-90’s. It definitely took quite a number of spins to get my head around it (likewise Henry Cow). Took a few years searching for all their LP’s - but worth it. I bought Giant for a Day on two seperate occasions, only to ditch it (the first I used as a frisbee, the 2nd i hocked). Very disappointing album. Even Civilian is a good, solid rocking album by comparison. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 22:52
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Interesting that I'm watching a Gentle Giant video as I type this. The first time I heard GG was on a prog box set "Supernatural Fairy Tales" in the form of their song Free Hand back in 96. I liked that song a lot so I got the album Free Hand, but that was hard to get into at the time, so I put it away for awhile and came back to it later. Got a couple more of their albums and still had trouble getting into them. Somewhere around 10-15 years ago it finally clicked with me and now I have all their albums, their oddities stuff (Scraping the Barrel, Under Construction) and their most recent box set, which I got mostly for the live stuff since I had all of their studio albums anyway. By the way, Kerry's daughter (who debuted on Scraping the Barrel saying "On fasari" when it should have been "On safari" when she was like 3 years old) is an incredible vocalist working with Dave Bainbridge (of Iona). Mostly live stuff, and some vocals on his Celestial Fire album, but hoping for a full fledged studio album from the pair at some point. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |