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    Posted: March 01 2020 at 13:27
I finally did it folks. I made myself a Gentle Giant fan. I'll admit it was hard at first; "So Sincere" turned me off because I thought it was too weird. So I thought I'd try their other albums to see if I liked them better. I worked my way up from the debut to TPATG and by the time I got to it, I began to understand the appeal of their vocals and how unique it was and I was able to make it past So Sincere and enjoy a really interesting and great album. Did anybody else have a similar experience with GG?
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I hated them for 8 months before I got into them. They're awesome, top 5 prog band for me. Acquiring the Taste was the album that convinced me.
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Hi,

When it first came out, and we heard it ... it was easy to get into ... there was absolutely NOTHING out there that even came close to the kind of musicianship that you heard on GG.  There was a lot of rock music, and a lot of psychedelic things, a lot of really loud cheap "heavy music", and a lot of this and that ... but when that first album came out on VERTIGO (1970), it was a stunner, and I never heard anyone from my days not get into it ... 

It was later when folks became saturated with "hit" radio in the FM dial (late 70's early 80's) that things like GG were not able to get on the air as much, and the appreciation for something different was not exactly heard ... and folks went further away from music that sometimes defies description.

(... remember that the early FM radio in America was quite free all the way to 1974/1975 and did not, per se, involve listening lists or top ten ... !!!!! Very important consideration as you heard a lot more things that you would not have heard otherwise!)


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Progosopher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2020 at 14:20
The first GG album I heard in its entirety was Octopus and I absolutely loved it. By that time, though, Yes, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Genesis, solo Hackett and Gabriel, were standard listening for me. I fully agree that they are not an easy band to get into as idiosyncratic and fantastically complex as the music is. I do not normally advocate for a listener to try to hard to get into a band, but at the same time I also say that if something in the sound is intriguing, if not entirely appealing, then keep listening. GG is one of those bands who reward an attempt. I now have half a dozen of their albums. Some of us are more musically adventurous than others; the rewards are not easily seen by those who prefer the mainstream, but for those of us who know, we have found some rare jewels indeed.
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Loved them the instant I heard them. One of my all time favorite bands. Welcome
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Took me quite some time to get into them too, but like you said... it's worth it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LAM-SGC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2020 at 17:54
GG appealed to me and had me hooked from the very first song I heard many years ago, which was Pantagruel's Nativity on a prog rock compilation, and I immediately listened to the first four or five first albums on the strength of how much I liked that song..

That said, no matter how much I tried over the years I could never get into VDGG or ELP.


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When I listen to songs like Nothing At All, I feel like I'm listening to a great 60s pop band like early Floyd or The Kinks or Love or The Moody Blues rather than a prog band.
After the early Floyd pop songs, the great Julia Dream for example, I feel that GG had the nicest songs lyrically and melodically.
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I was a bit taken aback by my first GG listen (TPATG), but it didn't take long to warm up to the band. VDGG took a little longer.
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I've always liked Gentle Giant, from the very first time I heard them.
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The order I listened to the first five albums the very first time and all in the space of a few days was:

AtT
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GG
TF
IaGH

Quite a while after that the next ones I heard, having found them on cheap secondhand vinyl were:

Giant For a Day and Free Hand then after that TPatG.
I haven't listened to any others after those eight.

So a question, am I missing any gems in their output?
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^ looks like you got the essentials! I’ve never heard interview but a lot of people seem to like that one however.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2020 at 21:28
Only when I very first listened to them a looooooonggg time ago did I think they were hard to get into(particularly the three friends album). Eventually I grew to enjoy them.
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Everything up to Interview is worth checking out. All are good although In A Glass House is the one I struggle with most although I will still occasionally give it a spin. Most of their albums have some nice 'hooks' but that one doesn't. Minnear is incredible on it though. Octopus is usually considered the best entry point for them as it's a little more straightforward and they 'rock out' a bit more on that. The Power and The Glory is the one clicked with me straight away probably because of those 'hooks'.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frenetic Zetetic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2020 at 00:58
Not surprised, but I always laugh at "how long" it takes some of these bands to click with some folk. GG and VDGG clicked almost immediately. I blame my musical background, though! Cool Wink

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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

The order I listened to the first five albums the very first time and all in the space of a few days was:

AtT
O
GG
TF
IaGH

Quite a while after that the next ones I heard, having found them on cheap secondhand vinyl were:

Giant For a Day and Free Hand then after that TPatG.
I haven't listened to any others after those eight.

So a question, am I missing any gems in their output?


If you enjoyed IaGH and TPatG then I definitely recommend Interview. It might be one of their hardest albums to get into due to its complex dense arrangements and flirtings with dissonance but I personally think it's one of their most rewarding listens.

Also, I know a lot of people don't like it (including the band members themselves) and that it's not really a prog album, but I'll always defend Civilian as a decent attempt at musical reinvention.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Blacksword Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2020 at 01:59
Originally posted by Tethro Juul Tethro Juul wrote:

I finally did it folks. I made myself a Gentle Giant fan. I'll admit it was hard at first; "So Sincere" turned me off because I thought it was too weird. So I thought I'd try their other albums to see if I liked them better. I worked my way up from the debut to TPATG and by the time I got to it, I began to understand the appeal of their vocals and how unique it was and I was able to make it past So Sincere and enjoy a really interesting and great album. Did anybody else have a similar experience with GG?


I never thought of GG output as weird. They're 'quirky' I guess, but a lot of their music, although very complex is really quite melodic. I think they're more accessible than a lot of stuff KC or Frank Zappa put out, back in the day, and certainly more accessible than many bands who came along years later, and deliberately set out to be 'different' Maudlin of the Well, Sleeptime Gorilla Museum et al.. GG were quite organic, and were really just who they were, with very little pretense IMO.

My issue with GG is hard to articulate, beyond I just find a lot of it irritating, and I'm not keen on the vocals.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frenetic Zetetic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2020 at 02:07
GG can get incredibly dense at times, and the vocals can wear on you if you're not privy to them. Minstrel music isn't a priority for most LOL. I heard someone once say "Knots" made them nauseous.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LAM-SGC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2020 at 02:19
"If you enjoyed IaGH and TPatG then I definitely recommend Interview. It might be one of their hardest albums to get into due to its complex dense arrangements and flirtings with dissonance but I personally think it's one of their most rewarding listens."

That won't be a problem, I'm a huge fan of Cardiacs ;)
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I think it should be noted that different people may like or dislike a piece of music for different reasons. It seems common to suggest that people dislike Gentle Giant because of its complexity. But I never had an issue with Gentle Giant's complexity. The reason for my initial dislike of Gentle Giant was because of its "folkishness".
 
 
 
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