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    Posted: February 04 2020 at 13:28
First UK release with Bruford, Holdsworth, Jobson, Wetton. This album, to me, is perfect. It still sounds fresh, the playing and songwriting... killer. What are your thoughts?
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It's a great album. Too bad they couldn't keep that lineup for a while. Imagine what they could have done. 
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Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

It's a great album. Too bad they couldn't keep that lineup for a while. Imagine what they could have done. 
Bruford's first two solo projects had Holdsworth on them… so half the lineup continued on. And Eddie and John made Danger Money which was quite good. But yeah, no telling what they could have done. Ended all too soon. 
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An excellent anacrusis to Danger Money, which is top 10 for me.
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Word of the day is anacrusis. DM is excellent also.
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I heard so much praise towards this album / band that I ended up getting it (and the first live one too), however I ended up rather disappointed. It just won't click with me, I feel the melodies don't really come together, and I just can't get past Wetton's singing (even though I have learned to tolerate them with Crimson). I wonder if the newer live album sounds any better.
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I love both their albums. The debut is more fusion based so it took me a while to warm to it but I got their in the end. Still sounds fresh to this day. Danger Money is one of the few examples of a band out 'ELPing' ELP . Carrying No Cross is just imperious keyboard based prog. I also purchased the re-issue of Night and Day. This captures the trio during their Japanese tour and is good fun. I stopped short at buying the stupidly expensive box set though which includes the 90's reunion stuff (again its the trio with Bozzio).
Petty that Wetton and Jobson didn't do more together but I guess John decided that 'paying the bills' was the priority over artistic endeavour.


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One of my favorite records of all time. It's underrated IMHO because of who is involved relative to their former works, and how "late" this came out. It's a peak in that style IMHO. Prog perfection, overlooked. This is what ELP should have been for me.

In the Dead of Night is one of the most succinct, aggressive, perfectly articulated prog rock epics of all time.

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Man, oh man...

When they hit the stage with Alaska / Time To Kill.

Man. Oh, man.

(This is all to indicate how good the memories are. lol)

Edited by Frankh - February 05 2020 at 02:12
Perhaps finding the happy medium is harder than we know.
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I think Bruford is the best drummer in the world, but on the other hand I havenīt been very interested his music outside Crimson & Yes (and that small period in Genesis). What I read about UK, it havenīt sound very interesting. But I guess I have to listen it some of these days (at least there are great drum playing). Also, I havenīt ever cared about Holdsworth.
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Excellent album, I often get back to it.
A shame this line up did only one album.
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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

I think Bruford is the best drummer in the world, but on the other hand I havenīt been very interested his music outside Crimson & Yes (and that small period in Genesis) Also, I havenīt ever cared about Holdsworth.


Do yourself a favor and look into this. The rewards are great and the effort little!
Perhaps finding the happy medium is harder than we know.
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I just don't like the song "In the dead of night" It has a really annoying cheesy passage in it. The guy who does the Prog Rock Dock mixes has included In The Dead of Night on a few mixes and I just can't escape the song.

This bit https://youtu.be/AeXSQl56no8?t=89

No wonder prog died in '78 for a bit :S 
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Both  studio lp's are good...play them from time to time. I especially like In The Dead of Night.
Wish the original line up had done both and even a third lp.
One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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I like both albums, but the first is my favorite -- mainly because I got to see them play it live in a small club in Boston. I sat a high-top table, adjacent to the left side of the stage, right over the left shoulder of Holdsworth. I had the opportunity to chat with him during pauses -- mainly to light his cigarettes.  I'd light it, he'd take a drag or two, then wedge it between the neck and strings of his guitar where it burned completely down while he played. We repeated the ritual several times throughout the set. He thanked me afterwards.
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Originally posted by wiz_d_kidd wiz_d_kidd wrote:

I like both albums, but the first is my favorite -- mainly because I got to see them play it live in a small club in Boston. I sat a high-top table, adjacent to the left side of the stage, right over the left shoulder of Holdsworth. I had the opportunity to chat with him during pauses -- mainly to light his cigarettes.  I'd light it, he'd take a drag or two, then wedge it between the neck and strings of his guitar where it burned completely down while he played. We repeated the ritual several times throughout the set. He thanked me afterwards.

I'm from the Boston area, and was born a good 10 years after that debut album came out. Words cannot convey my envy for you on that evening, lol. What club, out of curiosity? Paradise lounge?

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Exceptional record.   Danger Money has a better production but the content is about equal on both.
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Originally posted by wiz_d_kidd wiz_d_kidd wrote:

I like both albums, but the first is my favorite -- mainly because I got to see them play it live in a small club in Boston. I sat a high-top table, adjacent to the left side of the stage, right over the left shoulder of Holdsworth. I had the opportunity to chat with him during pauses -- mainly to light his cigarettes.  I'd light it, he'd take a drag or two, then wedge it between the neck and strings of his guitar where it burned completely down while he played. We repeated the ritual several times throughout the set. He thanked me afterwards.
Sounds awesome. I saw Allan several times when he went solo. IOU tour in the 80's. After the show he would have a beer or two at the bar and hang with the fans. He was very humble and never was happy with his performance.
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... What club, out of curiosity? Paradise lounge?


Jeez, man! That was 40 years ago! Sorry, I cannot remember...
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

One of my favorite records of all time. It's underrated IMHO because of who is involved relative to their former works, and how "late" this came out. It's a peak in that style IMHO. Prog perfection, overlooked. This is what ELP should have been for me.

In the Dead of Night is one of the most succinct, aggressive, perfectly articulated prog rock epics of all time.

I fully agree with all you wrote. 

Also, I want to add that I find all other "UK" albums to be terribly disappointing--both on their own (i.e. if the UK album never existed) and in comparison to the peak achievement of the debut.
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