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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So when did Rush start to headline shows and stop becoming a support act? Also, does anyone know if any Rush songs were played regularly on the radio(or at all for that matter)before the Permanent Waves album?

It depends what you mean by "headline shows". There are dates before the release of Rush debut where they played venues as the only act. Sure a lot of them were HS gyms and church basements, but all bands started this way.
I remember hearing Working Man but not knowing who the band was, and later on realizing it was Rush. Anthem and Fly By Night I also remembering hearing on KMET 94.7FM "The Mighty Met", in Los Angeles, KMET was a pioneer of playing progressive rock in LA, that's where I first heard Genesis also....This was around '76 I remember, that's about the time I started getting into Rush.

I was referring to headline shows as in a larger crowd(say over 200)not counting bars or small clubs and where they would have someone supporting them as opposed to the other way around. 

As for hearing fly by night and anthem did you hear them before or after 2112 was released? Just wondering. I remember reading in a rush biography(the red book if you remember that one)where the guy said they struggled to get on the radio in the early days.
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^KMET 94.7! I didn't know you were from SoCal!
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So when did Rush start to headline shows and stop becoming a support act? Also, does anyone know if any Rush songs were played regularly on the radio(or at all for that matter)before the Permanent Waves album?

It depends what you mean by "headline shows". There are dates before the release of Rush debut where they played venues as the only act. Sure a lot of them were HS gyms and church basements, but all bands started this way.
I remember hearing Working Man but not knowing who the band was, and later on realizing it was Rush. Anthem and Fly By Night I also remembering hearing on KMET 94.7FM "The Mighty Met", in Los Angeles, KMET was a pioneer of playing progressive rock in LA, that's where I first heard Genesis also....This was around '76 I remember, that's about the time I started getting into Rush.


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It has taken me years for the 'penny' to drop with me and Rush. 

I had a friend at University who was a fanatic. I got 2112 and struggled with it initially. He had told me that as I as was a fan of Yes, Crimson and classic Rock (Sabbath, Purple and Zeppelin) that I would love them - but I just didn't. Then I gave Hemispheres a go and that did strike a chord - I loved it. But still I as I listened to more, I didn't love them like I did Yes, Floyd, Genesis etc.

Then fast forward to the news of Neil's passing and they have all of a sudden theu make complete and utter sense. I cannot work out work out what has happened in order for me to suddenly love them - but I do. I am so frustrated it has taken nearly 30 years and as such I missed the chance to see them live. But I guess, better late than never!

My current faves;

Hemishpeheres, 
A farewell to Kings
2112
Waves
Pictures

Looking forward to getting to hear the rest of their albums. 


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Really hard to find strict information about support act from internet, but what I remembered from their book, it was quite soon after 2112 become commercial success. Naturally there were then support acts for them.
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So when did Rush start to headline shows and stop becoming a support act? Also, does anyone know if any Rush songs were played regularly on the radio(or at all for that matter)before the Permanent Waves album?
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I feel like I grew up with Rush, Buying all their albums, keeping up with their news etc... I feel that I more than appreciate them, but feel like they are close friends or relatives. I'm sure many feel the same. So when something happens to someone that is a close friend or relative, it affects you in a way that is hard to explain.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Sonuva...I'll have to check it. I hope the damage$ aren't too extreme.

Nah....My daughter got it off the Rush website but I think they are out now.........I've seen it on Amazon.
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Sonuva...I'll have to check it. I hope the damage$ aren't too extreme.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

C10, is that book loaded with ads for the shows?

Yes.....I am at the 2112 period right now. Up to that point there are many pics of posters and tickets from various shows.
I don't recall a tour book that is more comprehensive than this one, with notes on many of the dates.....the early shows and comments are really interesting read.
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C10, is that book loaded with ads for the shows?
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:


Did Rush ever play this live?



They did Scott, early in career........here are pics from the tour history book that just came out, my daughter gave it to me for Christmas, excellent book! This was on the CoS tour.




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Did Rush ever play this live?




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Hi, new here and have lurked for years to be honest but the loss of Neil has brought me out of the woodwork.

Not sure why his death has hit me quite so hard. I guess its because that this music we love speaks to us so personally. Usually we don't share our taste with family members or even close friends and the only time we get to be with others that are so passionate are at gigs.
In the main, its a one to one relationship. These pieces have sustained us during our darkest hours, or during our greatest triumphs and as such we share a close personal affection for the people who created them.

To be honest I just wanted to stand with some other Rush fans who understood
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I do like Rush well enough, though I didn't plan on getting their whole discography... only their 70's classics (up to Moving Pictures, actually) and one or 2 later live albums to complete... however, once I had those, they released Clockwork Angels, and I ended up getting it, and then they had a box set with their studio albums from the 80's, after Moving Pictures, at a very good price and I just had to get it... and some months later they had the next box set with the rest of the albums (except Clockwork Angels which I already had), again at a very good price, and so I ended up with all their albums (except for the very first). Now I only have to get some more live albums, since the ones I have already got sound very nice, and mostly I like better how they sound live than studio.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Everyone was influenced by Eddie, but the only one who can say how & when he influenced Alex Lifeson is Alex Lifeson.


True, but I seriously doubt that intro to spirit of radio would have happened the way it did without that first VH album. We all have our opinions but I'm not budging on that and I'm not the only one who thinks that. Like I said I never thought of it until I read it but again the site isn't loading otherwise I would share it here.

I did find this though where he mentions Eddie as a general influence. http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/transcripts/19960900guitarone.htm


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Ok, I did find it but it won't upload for some reason. I'll try again later.
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I got into Rush in 1976 when I picked up All the World's a Stage and tried to convert all my school friends who had never heard them. Devoured the back catalogue and saw them on the 1977 UK tour when they introduced Xanadu. After that, it was full on worship. Farewell to Kings through to Moving Pictures must be one of the best album runs any band have put together. Kept with them after that as they shifted style and moved to shorter, less proggy songs, but after Power Windows I have to admit my interest faded somewhat and I opened up to other artists - even though there were still gems in the albums and the live albums still kicked. It was the reunion that reawakened my devotion again and although Vapor Trails wasn't the best comeback, the R30 tour, Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels definitely gave them a fine send off. A unique band still fixed into my musical DNA and responsible for some wonderful memories. Neil's death struck me hard, but I suppose it's allowed me to reconnect with their legacy again.
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Everyone was influenced by Eddie, but the only one who can say how & when he influenced Alex Lifeson is Alex Lifeson.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

 ^  As a total guitar geek I have to nitpick that.   Eddie VH's influence on Alex pretty much begins & ends with with 'YYZ'.   The hammer/pull phrases on Permanent Waves were long-established guitar techniques and had little to do with Eddie other than that he influenced well over a decade of players in the late 70s/early 80s.  

Alex's new approach reminded me much more of Jeff Beck, and as you point out, Andy Summers.   He had matured as a musician and was more interested in getting to the point with tasteful, carefully considered phrasing, ultimately creating his own very unique sound.




The article goes into details about it though which sounded pretty convincing to me. If I ever find the article online then I'll post it here.
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