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Topic: The Rush appreciation thread
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Subject: The Rush appreciation thread
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 14:00
Since we are all going to talk about Rush anyway why not have a special thread for it(like TFK in the past). Here we can talk about Rush and listen to their great music. I guess it's a sad time to be a Rush fan so let's all support each other in this difficult time.

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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 14:08
Been a fan since 1975. Fist album I heard by them was "Caress of Steel". Saw them several times live and saw their last tour. Killer musicians, great songs, and they could play it live to sound as good or better than the studio version... with some help.


Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 14:18
A dude I was flipping burgers with at mcdo (age 15) lended me his MP through ASOH cds for a month...quite repulsive at first hearing (that voice), I persevered until HYF started to click...huge fan since then.

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 14:26
Yeah, I first bought signals on cassette tape probably in late 1982 after hearing "subdivisions" on the radio. My brother had some albums on vinyl about maybe almost a year before that(2112 and Exit Stage Left)but I didn't really think much of them and to be honest I don't remember him or me playing those records at all. It was almost as if he bought them just to seem cool(he was way more into comic books than music at the time anyway). Then a few years later(late 84 into 85)my brother found out his best friend(another comic book guy)was into Rush and tried to hypnotize my brother to a Rush poster. After he mentioned him liking Rush that sort of resparked my interest in them and I borrowed his tapes until I finally got my own. I remember listening to his cassette version of Power Windows(and later Hold Your Fire)when they were new. It was around that time I started to get big into prog in general and Rush became a part of that after I noticed some similarities. I eventually saw Rush four times, have the red biography book, a t shirt(from the last tour)and a tour program(also from the last tour)as well as the Beyond the lighted stage docomentary. I'm sure there are way bigger fans than me but I still consider myself to be a pretty big fan.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 15:12
Rush was a staple for me growing up in the 80s in Northern Cal, the one band equally loved by proggers & metalheads and respected by almost everyone it seemed.   Intelligent lyrics, digestible but complex compositions, sophisticated themes, and undeniable musicianship.   Started as a youngin' on Hemispheres and immediately heard the magic.   Later graduated to PW, MP and Sig.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 15:28
Rush has been my #1 band for the past million years. I got into them around 77-78 and it has been non stop ever since.
Saw them in 78-79 first time......College, marriage, kids, caused a break in live shows thru late 80s early 90s, only saw the Presto tour with my wife (marrying me she became a Rush fan, and a huge Peart fan). We saw every tour in the 2000s to the last one, R40 Tour. Saw Time Machine tour twice in Seattle and San Francisco in 1 week span.
Our kids saw the last 3-4 shows in Seattle so it became a family affair to see a Rush show.

According to my Discogs collection account I have 43 Rush entries of LPs, CDs, VHS, DVDs.....And I have not loaded all my cassettes and some 8-tracks I have also. Plus I have books, tour programs and numerous tour shirts. Clearly Rush has been a massive part of my musical life, that will never change.

All eras of Rush are excellent, that has nothing to do with being a fanatic but a lover of great music and the brilliance of change.

Somewhere on this site many years ago I remember mentioning the day that Rush retire was going to be a tough, tough day to swallow. They are literally the last band to be able to put on live shows like they did with such grand presence and production, at least within this genre...there is nobody left that can do that....
Retiring from touring was tough although something kept telling me at least maybe we will still get new music but no huge tours, maybe a few shows here and there....I kept a candle burning.
In interviews (recent) Geddy has mentioned that there is no unreleased Rush music in a vault somewhere...

Losing Neil Peart was simply massive, 10 yrs from now I understand it but still he was only 67......Last week I read the announcement over and over and over just to make sure....The Professor is gone.

"....though its just a memory, some memories last forever..." (Lakeside Park)


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 15:48
^ I had the "though it's just a memory...." lyric as my sig briefly but then changed it to the one I have now(I'm sure you know but for those who don't it's from the last section of the Hemispheres title track(cygnus x1 book2).


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 15:53
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

^ I had the "though it's just a memory...." lyric as my sig briefly but then changed it to the one I have now(I'm sure you know but for those who don't it's from the last section of the Hemispheres title track(cygnus x1 book2).

I know it well......I'm on my 3rd vinyl copy of Hemispheres. My original is packed away.....

Great pic of the band during the Rush debut album tour, Agora Ballroom 1974.

Rush Debut Album Tour Pictures - Agora Ballroom - Columbus, Ohio 09/25/1974


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 15:54
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 16:02
Wow, first tour with Neil. 

I thought I heard somewhere that their first show with Neil was opening for Manfred Mann and Uriah Heep. Is that correct or was that a bit later(maybe on FBN tour)?


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 16:05
Nevermind, I just saw on wikipedia that that was the case. Can you imagine joining a band then just two weeks later playing in front of 11,000 people? Wow. 


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 16:19
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Nevermind, I just saw on wikipedia that that was the case. Can you imagine joining a band then just two weeks later playing in front of 11,000 people? Wow. 

Yup, Neil joined and had to learn the songs within 2-3 weeks of going on the road. My daughter gave me the Wandering the Face Of the Earth Complete Tour book for Christmas. It's filled with great backstage info and commentary about pretty much every show they did from start to finish.
Even have listed dates they were suppose to play but either could not be confirmed by band or label or venue, because they can't remember that far back....It's cra-cra.

It clearly details how they built a touring empire from nothing but dirt and sweat. Also the roadies that stuck with them for so long....excellent book.


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 18:00
Great pix, Catcher! Clap

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

All eras of Rush are excellent, that has nothing to do with being a fanatic but a lover of great music and the brilliance of change.
 

That's right.


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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 18:14
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

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A must-have for any self-respecting Rush fanatic



Playing songs from their first album, two early versions cuts from 'Fly by Night' and two rare never released compositions, 'Fancy Dancer' and 'Garden Road'. Excellent sound quality and thundering performance...garantee to put a huge smile on your granny's face.

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 18:51
^ Bad Boy is on there also and that too was never previously released.


Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 19:00
Not a Rush song though. It's a cover of a Larry Williams song.

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 19:13
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Not a Rush song though. It's a cover of a Larry Williams song.

It's a never before released song by Rush though. You didn't say "no covers allowed." Wink In case you forgot they did a whole album of covers called "feedback."


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 20:53
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Related image

A must-have for any self-respecting Rush fanatic



Playing songs from their first album, two early versions cuts from 'Fly by Night' and two rare never released compositions, 'Fancy Dancer' and 'Garden Road'. Excellent sound quality and thundering performance...garantee to put a huge smile on your granny's face.

No Rush fan should be without it......Your right, here's mine!


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 21:06
And yea this is one of the best cover albums issued by anyone in the rock and for sure progressive rock genre....All the songs are done so elegantly with a high respect to the original artists/songs. My only complaint is it is not long enough.

 


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 21:20
This was sent to me......I've seen the pic before but did not know the back story. Neil was a man of great respect for those that came/started before him, even the 4/4 master he had respect for.

Neil Peart met Charlie Watts just before going on stage at the SARS benefit show in Toronto (July 30, 2003.) This is how Neil Peart described it:

A short, older man stepped up to me, sticking out his hand and saying something I couldn't hear. Thinking "Now who's THIS?" I took out one of my ear monitors and said "Sorry, I couldn't hear you."
He spoke again, smiling, "Hello, I'm Charlie Watts."
"Oh!" I said, taken aback, "Hello." And I shook his hand.
He asked if we were going on soon, and I said yes, any minute, and he said, with a twinkle, "I'm going to watch you!"
I suppose if I could have felt more pressured, that might have done it, but I was already at maximum intensity - there was no time to think of Charlie Watts and the Rolling Stones, watching them on The T.A.M.I Show or Ed Sullivan when I was twelve-and-a-half, hearing Satisfaction snarling down the midway at Lakeside Park, Gimme Shelter at the cinema in London, listening to Charlie's beautiful solo album, Warm and Tender, so many times late at night in Quebec, or any of the other million times Charlie Watts and his band had been part of my life.

Geddy e-mailed me later and mentioned that scene:
"BTW, I will never forget that moment before we went onstage when Charlie Watts came over to shake your hand (at the worst possible moment!) and watching your face go through all the motions of... a. who is this old guy? b. what does he want? c. oh for god's sake it's Charlie Watts!"

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 21:21
Well, I can understand them doing an album of covers of old blues rock and hard rock songs which is what Feedback was but I wish they also did a cover of prog rock stuff like ELP, King Crimson, Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull etc. 


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 15 2020 at 21:41
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Well, I can understand them doing an album of covers of old blues rock and hard rock songs which is what Feedback was but I wish they also did a cover of prog rock stuff like ELP, King Crimson, Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull etc. 

Well Feedback is not your typical covers album.....It is songs that made an impact on each one of them growing up. Rush did not record those songs because they were popular, the songs were who they were and influenced them to get into a band and play rock n roll.
This portion from the liner notes, which of course all of it written by Neil.

"It was April of 2004, but Geddy, Alex, and I were channeling back to 1966 and 1967, when we were thirteen- and fourteen -year-old beginners. We thought it would be a fitting symbol to commemorate our thirty years together if we returned to our roots and paid tribute to those we had learned from and were inspired by. We thought we might record some of the songs we used to listen to, the ones we painstakingly learned the chords, notes, and drum parts for, and even played in our earliest bands."



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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 16 2020 at 00:09
I couldn't quite get there in terms of appreciation until I heard the Roll The Bones album. If that sounds like a joke it isn't. At the time prog was still in long term hibernation and I was just looking for a band that wrote songs that actually meant something. It was only then that I went back and gathered up the back releases. 

Moving Pictures remains a favourite album. The first four tracks are sheer perfection. Rush were the finest rock band ever in terms of tightness and just nailing the damn thing! But the lyrics of Neil are probably what elevates the music just that bit higher.

I was talking to a young lad at work yesterday and he was gutted to find out about Peart. We had a good natter but it also illustrates how this band were still making inroads into audiences much younger than them. A very special band that we will never see the like of again imo.


Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 16 2020 at 04:36
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

A dude I was flipping burgers with at mcdo (age 15) lended me his MP through ASOH cds for a month...quite repulsive at first hearing (that voice), I persevered until HYF started to click...huge fan since then.

My family moved to a new town in '79. I was 11 and up to that point, my musical tatses were Beatles and whatever was on pop radio stations. My new neighbors were huge Rush fans. They tried to get me into them but at first, it just didn't click. In fact, I wanted no part of that weird music. LOL However by Moving Pictures I had started to like a few songs. I had a mix tape (taped off the radio) of songs like Vital Signs, Spirit of Radio, etc and that blossomed into full on love for their music.

My first record was Moving Pictures. My second was Caress of Steel. As a Rush neophyte, hearing CoS was quite the interesting experience. Confused It became one of my favorites though.


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 16 2020 at 04:40
Been fan from the eighties, one of the first progbands I got into with Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes, Wigwam, Jethro Tull, the Moody Blues & Procol Harum. Never saw them alive although they were sometimes in Finland (there was something else then in my life). After Signals albums haven´t been my big faves, although I like a little Power Windows & Presto. But the first album is not for me as bad as it seems to be some Rush-fans, like to listen it also sometimes.


Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 16 2020 at 05:48
There are some here who probably don't know about this issue of the Marvel comics series The Defenders that was dedicated to Rush

https://www.cbr.com/neil-peart-rush-defenders-homage/" rel="nofollow - https://www.cbr.com/neil-peart-rush-defenders-homage/


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 16 2020 at 08:38
I got into Rush very late. I was well aware of albums like 2112 but working as a sound engineer with a touring band left little time to listen to such a long piece. So, shorter songs like Lime Light were a kind of a gift for me. My favorite rush albums are A Farewell To Kings and Hemispheres but I'm just as home with 80s albums like Moving Pictures. I lost interest around the time Roll Your Bones came out but Clockwork Angels brought back my interest.

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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: January 16 2020 at 09:36
Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

There are some here who probably don't know about this issue of the Marvel comics series The Defenders that was dedicated to Rush

https://www.cbr.com/neil-peart-rush-defenders-homage/" rel="nofollow - https://www.cbr.com/neil-peart-rush-defenders-homage/
I bought a copy of that a number of years ago when a friend of mine worked in a comic book store.  I haven't seen it in a while but I know that I have it somewhere.


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Posted By: Machinemessiah
Date Posted: January 16 2020 at 14:50

I received Chronicles (double CD) in '93 at my 15th birthday, already having borrowed moving pictures on cassette and taken it everywhere. So I started with the: Tom Sawyer - Red Barchetta - YYZ - Limelight pathway.. also I remember having listened to 'Where's my thing' with great interest before that. After that it was long hot summer afternoons on vacations listening to fly by night on a recorded cassette.

Then obviously I went to review all the 70's albums one by one and I ended up stationed there for good. When I listen to Rush, I look for Alex Lifeson distorted strumming (and solos obviously, but those perfectly tuned up, distorted strummings always fascinate me; I play guitar and I don't find it easy to make the electric guitar sound so neat strumming entire chords, or chords progressions like an acoustic guitar, with distortion), also his unusual power chords and arpeggiated transitions (ex. Anthem), his solos with that blessed wrist for the vibratos and all kinds of color with harmonics.    Geddy's screams and bass, and Neil Peart's (a hero) clockwork drumming; for me there's nothing like that. It fulfils all my musical power needs and I think with Yes is the progressive rock band that I have most consistently listened to through the years.

On that matter I can also remember a period when with friends it got into our heads to start loathing Geddy's voice.. now I find that ridiculous (no offense to anyone but me), but you know, perhaps is one of those 'acquired tastes'. Now I simply love Geddy's voice (screams I like most). Take for example 2112, Temple Of Syrinx.. after all that instrumental introduction he starts the song screaming at max!    Wow..     I was in a band called 'Jacob's Ladder'.. and we had fun playing some of the more "playable" Rush songs.. but when it came to singing them… there was our problem..   much later I reunited with another friend and put effort to play subdivisions and YYZ...   there I attempted some singing on subdivisions (plus the guitar) and there you can really appreciate Geddy's singing (screaming sometimes) and seemingly unrelated bass playing!   other-worldly.

That's also why I like best records like Jethro Tull's Thick as a Brick, and I suppose I'm a rock-driven progressive kind of fan (Close To The Edge, Hemispheres, Relayer, and Bruford era King Crimson) I like 'hard' progressive rock, that flows with momentum (I like the other kind also). In that sense Rush is not a beginning or 'introduction' to other bands, but an end on itself; it is for me the culminating point of hard rock with perfect musicianship, awesome and clever fantasy/sci-fi lyrics and perfectly employed bits of synthesizer. That's it!




Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 16 2020 at 15:04
Originally posted by Machinemessiah Machinemessiah wrote:

When I listen to Rush, I look for Alex Lifeson distorted strumming (and solos obviously, but those perfectly tuned up, distorted strummings always fascinate me; I play guitar and I don't find it easy to make the electric guitar sound so neat strumming entire chords, or chords progressions like an acoustic guitar, with distortion), also his unusual power chords and arpeggiated transitions (ex. Anthem), his solos with that blessed wrist for the vibratos and all kinds of color with harmonics. 

He really came a long way stylistically between Hem and MP.   By the time Signals came out ~ with his emphasis on phrasing, tone, and restraint ~ he was almost unrecognizable from the post-Page shrieks & squeals of his earlier days.




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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 16 2020 at 15:27
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Rush has been my #1 band for the past million years. I got into them around 77-78 and it has been non stop ever since.
Saw them in 78-79 first time......College, marriage, kids, caused a break in live shows thru late 80s early 90s, only saw the Presto tour with my wife (marrying me she became a Rush fan, and a huge Peart fan). We saw every tour in the 2000s to the last one, R40 Tour. Saw Time Machine tour twice in Seattle and San Francisco in 1 week span.
Our kids saw the last 3-4 shows in Seattle so it became a family affair to see a Rush show.

According to my Discogs collection account I have 43 Rush entries of LPs, CDs, VHS, DVDs.....And I have not loaded all my cassettes and some 8-tracks I have also. Plus I have books, tour programs and numerous tour shirts. Clearly Rush has been a massive part of my musical life, that will never change.

All eras of Rush are excellent, that has nothing to do with being a fanatic but a lover of great music and the brilliance of change.

Somewhere on this site many years ago I remember mentioning the day that Rush retire was going to be a tough, tough day to swallow. They are literally the last band to be able to put on live shows like they did with such grand presence and production, at least within this genre...there is nobody left that can do that....
Retiring from touring was tough although something kept telling me at least maybe we will still get new music but no huge tours, maybe a few shows here and there....I kept a candle burning.
In interviews (recent) Geddy has mentioned that there is no unreleased Rush music in a vault somewhere...

Losing Neil Peart was simply massive, 10 yrs from now I understand it but still he was only 67......Last week I read the announcement over and over and over just to make sure....The Professor is gone.

"....though its just a memory, some memories last forever..." (Lakeside Park)

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 16 2020 at 16:26
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Machinemessiah Machinemessiah wrote:

When I listen to Rush, I look for Alex Lifeson distorted strumming (and solos obviously, but those perfectly tuned up, distorted strummings always fascinate me; I play guitar and I don't find it easy to make the electric guitar sound so neat strumming entire chords, or chords progressions like an acoustic guitar, with distortion), also his unusual power chords and arpeggiated transitions (ex. Anthem), his solos with that blessed wrist for the vibratos and all kinds of color with harmonics. 

He really came a long way stylistically between Hem and MP.   By the time Signals came out ~ with his emphasis on phrasing, tone, and restraint ~ he was almost unrecognizable from the post-Page shrieks & squeals of his earlier days.



I remember reading online somewhere a few years ago or so about how Alex's approach(especially on Perm. Waves and later)would have sounded different without the first Van Halen album. Although it's been well documented that Alex was influenced by Andy Summers(and you can certainly hear that in some of the 80's albums)it's been mentioned far less frequently(if at all)that he was influenced by Eddie Van Halen when he first came on the scene. Yet the fast guitar intro at the beginning of "spirit of radio," although a bit different than Eddie's tapping technique(which itself was probably "borrowed" from Steve Hackett), would nonetheless be different without that first VH album. I read this somewhere although I happen to agree with it. I don't feel Alex stole anything from these guys. He merely borrowed ideas which is something most great musicians do. 


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 16 2020 at 16:43
 ^  As a total guitar geek I have to nitpick that.   Eddie VH's influence on Alex pretty much begins & ends with with 'YYZ'.   The hammer/pull phrases on Permanent Waves were long-established guitar techniques and had little to do with Eddie other than that he influenced well over a decade of players in the late 70s/early 80s.  

Alex's new approach reminded me much more of Jeff Beck, and as you point out, Andy Summers.   He had matured as a musician and was more interested in getting to the point with tasteful, carefully considered phrasing, ultimately creating his own very unique sound.




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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 16 2020 at 16:50
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

 ^  As a total guitar geek I have to nitpick that.   Eddie VH's influence on Alex pretty much begins & ends with with 'YYZ'.   The hammer/pull phrases on Permanent Waves were long-established guitar techniques and had little to do with Eddie other than that he influenced well over a decade of players in the late 70s/early 80s.  

Alex's new approach reminded me much more of Jeff Beck, and as you point out, Andy Summers.   He had matured as a musician and was more interested in getting to the point with tasteful, carefully considered phrasing, ultimately creating his own very unique sound.




The article goes into details about it though which sounded pretty convincing to me. If I ever find the article online then I'll post it here.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 16 2020 at 16:55
Everyone was influenced by Eddie, but the only one who can say how & when he influenced Alex Lifeson is Alex Lifeson.



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Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: January 16 2020 at 16:55
I got into Rush in 1976 when I picked up All the World's a Stage and tried to convert all my school friends who had never heard them. Devoured the back catalogue and saw them on the 1977 UK tour when they introduced Xanadu. After that, it was full on worship. Farewell to Kings through to Moving Pictures must be one of the best album runs any band have put together. Kept with them after that as they shifted style and moved to shorter, less proggy songs, but after Power Windows I have to admit my interest faded somewhat and I opened up to other artists - even though there were still gems in the albums and the live albums still kicked. It was the reunion that reawakened my devotion again and although Vapor Trails wasn't the best comeback, the R30 tour, Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels definitely gave them a fine send off. A unique band still fixed into my musical DNA and responsible for some wonderful memories. Neil's death struck me hard, but I suppose it's allowed me to reconnect with their legacy again.

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 16 2020 at 16:58
Ok, I did find it but it won't upload for some reason. I'll try again later.




Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 16 2020 at 17:00
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Everyone was influenced by Eddie, but the only one who can say how & when he influenced Alex Lifeson is Alex Lifeson.


True, but I seriously doubt that intro to spirit of radio would have happened the way it did without that first VH album. We all have our opinions but I'm not budging on that and I'm not the only one who thinks that. Like I said I never thought of it until I read it but again the site isn't loading otherwise I would share it here.

I did find this though where he mentions Eddie as a general influence.  http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/transcripts/19960900guitarone.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/transcripts/19960900guitarone.htm


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 16 2020 at 17:12
I do like Rush well enough, though I didn't plan on getting their whole discography... only their 70's classics (up to Moving Pictures, actually) and one or 2 later live albums to complete... however, once I had those, they released Clockwork Angels, and I ended up getting it, and then they had a box set with their studio albums from the 80's, after Moving Pictures, at a very good price and I just had to get it... and some months later they had the next box set with the rest of the albums (except Clockwork Angels which I already had), again at a very good price, and so I ended up with all their albums (except for the very first). Now I only have to get some more live albums, since the ones I have already got sound very nice, and mostly I like better how they sound live than studio.


Posted By: Skywatcher72
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 06:02
Hi, new here and have lurked for years to be honest but the loss of Neil has brought me out of the woodwork.

Not sure why his death has hit me quite so hard. I guess its because that this music we love speaks to us so personally. Usually we don't share our taste with family members or even close friends and the only time we get to be with others that are so passionate are at gigs.
In the main, its a one to one relationship. These pieces have sustained us during our darkest hours, or during our greatest triumphs and as such we share a close personal affection for the people who created them.

To be honest I just wanted to stand with some other Rush fans who understood


Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 22:21

Did Rush ever play this live?




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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 18 2020 at 11:06
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:


Did Rush ever play this live?



They did Scott, early in career........here are pics from the tour history book that just came out, my daughter gave it to me for Christmas, excellent book! This was on the CoS tour.




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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 18 2020 at 12:33
C10, is that book loaded with ads for the shows?

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 18 2020 at 12:40
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

C10, is that book loaded with ads for the shows?

Yes.....I am at the 2112 period right now. Up to that point there are many pics of posters and tickets from various shows.
I don't recall a tour book that is more comprehensive than this one, with notes on many of the dates.....the early shows and comments are really interesting read.


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 18 2020 at 13:30
Sonuva...I'll have to check it. I hope the damage$ aren't too extreme.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 18 2020 at 15:01
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Sonuva...I'll have to check it. I hope the damage$ aren't too extreme.

Nah....My daughter got it off the Rush website but I think they are out now.........I've seen it on Amazon.


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Posted By: Polo's Lair
Date Posted: January 18 2020 at 16:52
I feel like I grew up with Rush, Buying all their albums, keeping up with their news etc... I feel that I more than appreciate them, but feel like they are close friends or relatives. I'm sure many feel the same. So when something happens to someone that is a close friend or relative, it affects you in a way that is hard to explain.




Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 18 2020 at 17:05
So when did Rush start to headline shows and stop becoming a support act? Also, does anyone know if any Rush songs were played regularly on the radio(or at all for that matter)before the Permanent Waves album?


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 18 2020 at 23:32
Really hard to find strict information about support act from internet, but what I remembered from their book, it was quite soon after 2112 become commercial success. Naturally there were then support acts for them.


Posted By: Ruby900
Date Posted: January 19 2020 at 15:10
It has taken me years for the 'penny' to drop with me and Rush. 

I had a friend at University who was a fanatic. I got 2112 and struggled with it initially. He had told me that as I as was a fan of Yes, Crimson and classic Rock (Sabbath, Purple and Zeppelin) that I would love them - but I just didn't. Then I gave Hemispheres a go and that did strike a chord - I loved it. But still I as I listened to more, I didn't love them like I did Yes, Floyd, Genesis etc.

Then fast forward to the news of Neil's passing and they have all of a sudden theu make complete and utter sense. I cannot work out work out what has happened in order for me to suddenly love them - but I do. I am so frustrated it has taken nearly 30 years and as such I missed the chance to see them live. But I guess, better late than never!

My current faves;

Hemishpeheres, 
A farewell to Kings
2112
Waves
Pictures

Looking forward to getting to hear the rest of their albums. 


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 19 2020 at 16:11
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So when did Rush start to headline shows and stop becoming a support act? Also, does anyone know if any Rush songs were played regularly on the radio(or at all for that matter)before the Permanent Waves album?

It depends what you mean by "headline shows". There are dates before the release of Rush debut where they played venues as the only act. Sure a lot of them were HS gyms and church basements, but all bands started this way.
I remember hearing Working Man but not knowing who the band was, and later on realizing it was Rush. Anthem and Fly By Night I also remembering hearing on KMET 94.7FM "The Mighty Met", in Los Angeles, KMET was a pioneer of playing progressive rock in LA, that's where I first heard Genesis also....This was around '76 I remember, that's about the time I started getting into Rush.


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 19 2020 at 17:32
^KMET 94.7! I didn't know you were from SoCal!

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 19 2020 at 18:30
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So when did Rush start to headline shows and stop becoming a support act? Also, does anyone know if any Rush songs were played regularly on the radio(or at all for that matter)before the Permanent Waves album?

It depends what you mean by "headline shows". There are dates before the release of Rush debut where they played venues as the only act. Sure a lot of them were HS gyms and church basements, but all bands started this way.
I remember hearing Working Man but not knowing who the band was, and later on realizing it was Rush. Anthem and Fly By Night I also remembering hearing on KMET 94.7FM "The Mighty Met", in Los Angeles, KMET was a pioneer of playing progressive rock in LA, that's where I first heard Genesis also....This was around '76 I remember, that's about the time I started getting into Rush.

I was referring to headline shows as in a larger crowd(say over 200)not counting bars or small clubs and where they would have someone supporting them as opposed to the other way around. 

As for hearing fly by night and anthem did you hear them before or after 2112 was released? Just wondering. I remember reading in a rush biography(the red book if you remember that one)where the guy said they struggled to get on the radio in the early days.


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 21 2020 at 19:07
^I remember that "red" book. It's called Rush: Visions.

Rush indeed got off to a rocky start. Things changed when one day a deejay flipped the record and played the B-side, called "Working Man."


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 21 2020 at 20:18
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

^I remember that "red" book. It's called Rush: Visions.

Rush indeed got off to a rocky start. Things changed when one day a deejay flipped the record and played the B-side, called "Working Man."

Yeah, that's the one. It was written by "the B Man" who apparently later had a falling out with the band unfortunately. 

Actually there was no record flipping involved. No, the story I heard was that Donna Halper who was the dj(and music director) at a rock station in Cleveland caled wmms was looking for a "bathroom song" and came across "working man" which was the longest track on the album. She played it and knew it would go down well in Cleveland which was very working class. This was documented in the Beyond the lighted stage dvd. Historically some djs have been known to flip records and have the b side become a "hit" but that wasn't the case here. While there were two singles released from that first album neither of those singles had "working man" as a b side so I'm not sure what you are referring to. Like I said it was an album track that was chosen as a bathroom break song because of it's length. Then people started calling in asking about the new Led Zeppelin song! Lol. Tongue


Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 21 2020 at 20:28
I still don't know how Peart had just two hands.

Or two feet.


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 22 2020 at 16:33
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

^I remember that "red" book. It's called Rush: Visions.

Rush indeed got off to a rocky start. Things changed when one day a deejay flipped the record and played the B-side, called "Working Man."

Yeah, that's the one. It was written by "the B Man" who apparently later had a falling out with the band unfortunately. 

Actually there was no record flipping involved. No, the story I heard was that Donna Halper who was the dj(and music director) at a rock station in Cleveland caled wmms was looking for a "bathroom song" and came across "working man" which was the longest track on the album. She played it and knew it would go down well in Cleveland which was very working class. This was documented in the Beyond the lighted stage dvd. Historically some djs have been known to flip records and have the b side become a "hit" but that wasn't the case here. While there were two singles released from that first album neither of those singles had "working man" as a b side so I'm not sure what you are referring to. Like I said it was an album track that was chosen as a bathroom break song because of it's length. Then people started calling in asking about the new Led Zeppelin song! Lol. Tongue
 

You are correct. But that is the song that got played, and it led to Rush getting a lot of airplay in that market as a result. Clap


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 24 2020 at 09:14
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So when did Rush start to headline shows and stop becoming a support act? Also, does anyone know if any Rush songs were played regularly on the radio(or at all for that matter)before the Permanent Waves album?

It depends what you mean by "headline shows". There are dates before the release of Rush debut where they played venues as the only act. Sure a lot of them were HS gyms and church basements, but all bands started this way.
I remember hearing Working Man but not knowing who the band was, and later on realizing it was Rush. Anthem and Fly By Night I also remembering hearing on KMET 94.7FM "The Mighty Met", in Los Angeles, KMET was a pioneer of playing progressive rock in LA, that's where I first heard Genesis also....This was around '76 I remember, that's about the time I started getting into Rush.

I was referring to headline shows as in a larger crowd(say over 200)not counting bars or small clubs and where they would have someone supporting them as opposed to the other way around. 

As for hearing fly by night and anthem did you hear them before or after 2112 was released? Just wondering. I remember reading in a rush biography(the red book if you remember that one)where the guy said they struggled to get on the radio in the early days.
There are many dates where they headlined before 2112, in small venues of 200+. Once 2112 and ATWAS were released they began more headline shows. The larger attendance shows were still as a support act with bands like Ted Nugent, BOC, Kiss and Aerosmith anywhere from 2k-18k seat venues. For the most part in those shows that usually included 3 acts, they were the support not the opening act and played an hour to 1.5 hr sets. Also understand at this time was their first trip outside NA, where they played Hammersmith Odeon as headliner.
What is super interesting to read are some of the reviews that basically slam the band as not being very good, being tooooooo loud but the common theme of Neil being the highlight of the band talent wise. And how when they toured the Maritimes they mentioned not wanting to go back because the crowds basically suxed there.

2112 came out in '76 and that is when I got into Rush, its tough to remember. My thought is I heard Anthem and Fly By Night before the Bicentennial year, which I remember that time vividly and again Working Man too but not knowing it was Rush.


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 24 2020 at 19:40
So lot's of mixed signals about whether or not they were played on the radio before 1980(or at least how much). I guess maybe it depends on where you lived? Not sure but check this out.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3IBhYGohQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3IBhYGohQ


Edit: Ok, I see they were referring to Canada which is kind of strange considering they were from Canada. I wouldn't expect them to have less airplay in their home country than in the US but I guess that's how it was.


Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: January 24 2020 at 19:55
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 25 2020 at 01:40
Thye just seemed to become absolutely massive in the UK and Europe towards the end of the seventies. Not everyone was on board with punk. There was still plenty of room for a more cerebral and sophisticated approach to rock music. I remember Trees being played on the radio in 1978 and it stuck out like a sore thumb, but in a good way!


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 25 2020 at 02:10
^If they had continued in same kind of albums as "Hemispheres", I don´t believe they would have become as successful. "Permanent Waves" went into more pop direction, there really is something same as "the Police". So Rush did same thing as Genesis, Jethro Tull, Yes and Pink Floyd (in the Gilmour revival), those all become more part of the eighties sound. Although I think Moving Pictures & Signals are better albums than those other bands eighties albums (Jethro´s A is also quite good, eighties sounding progalbum), King Crimson was the only prog band that could modernize it sound with dignity. But I am not saying all those bands albums that I mentioned were totally bad.


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 25 2020 at 14:32
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I am here to appreciate RUSH


 

That's awesome! Did you make that?


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 25 2020 at 14:34
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Thye just seemed to become absolutely massive in the UK and Europe towards the end of the seventies. Not everyone was on board with punk. There was still plenty of room for a more cerebral and sophisticated approach to rock music. I remember Trees being played on the radio in 1978 and it stuck out like a sore thumb, but in a good way!
 

You just made me remember something: Back in the early 2000s, I remember talking with a girl from Quebec. She was really into punk, and she told me I'd be surprised how many punks like Rush!!


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 25 2020 at 15:14
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Thye just seemed to become absolutely massive in the UK and Europe towards the end of the seventies. Not everyone was on board with punk. There was still plenty of room for a more cerebral and sophisticated approach to rock music. I remember Trees being played on the radio in 1978 and it stuck out like a sore thumb, but in a good way!
 

You just made me remember something: Back in the early 2000s, I remember talking with a girl from Quebec. She was really into punk, and she told me I'd be surprised how many punks like Rush!!

They are one of the very few bands who get labelled prog who have a big audience outside of prog. There are people into country and rap who like Rush also.


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 25 2020 at 16:39
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Thye just seemed to become absolutely massive in the UK and Europe towards the end of the seventies. Not everyone was on board with punk. There was still plenty of room for a more cerebral and sophisticated approach to rock music. I remember Trees being played on the radio in 1978 and it stuck out like a sore thumb, but in a good way!
 

You just made me remember something: Back in the early 2000s, I remember talking with a girl from Quebec. She was really into punk, and she told me I'd be surprised how many punks like Rush!!

They are one of the very few bands who get labelled prog who have a big audience outside of prog. There are people into country and rap who like Rush also.
 

That's even weirder. LOL


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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: January 25 2020 at 17:42
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I am here to appreciate RUSH


 

That's awesome! Did you make that?


No i didn't! I just found it on the internets. So wickedly cool how could i not share it!


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 26 2020 at 08:34
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

^If they had continued in same kind of albums as "Hemispheres", I don´t believe they would have become as successful. "Permanent Waves" went into more pop direction, there really is something same as "the Police". So Rush did same thing as Genesis, Jethro Tull, Yes and Pink Floyd (in the Gilmour revival), those all become more part of the eighties sound. Although I think Moving Pictures & Signals are better albums than those other bands eighties albums (Jethro´s A is also quite good, eighties sounding progalbum), King Crimson was the only prog band that could modernize it sound with dignity. But I am not saying all those bands albums that I mentioned were totally bad.


Of all the 70's prog bands Rush were the only one who went into the 80's with any dignity and without loss of integrity IMO. Permanent Waves to GUP was a run of albums which far exceeded anything by Yes, Floyd, Tull, KC or Genesis in terms of quality, for that era, IMO.

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 26 2020 at 09:52
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Of all the 70's prog bands Rush were the only one who went into the 80's with any dignity and without loss of integrity IMO. Permanent Waves to GUP was a run of albums which far exceeded anything by Yes, Floyd, Tull, KC or Genesis in terms of quality, for that era, IMO.
 

I agree, with the exception of King Crimson. Robert Fripp wanted to do anything but a retread of the '70s. You may recall that '80s KC was initially a band called Discipline, kind of like Yes calling themselves Cinema before they found out they couldn't.

I love '80s KC. That said, Rush from Permanent Waves through Hold Your Fire certainly enjoyed more spin time. I couldn't begin to tell you how many hours of Rush I've heard in my lifetime.


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 26 2020 at 10:22
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Of all the 70's prog bands Rush were the only one who went into the 80's with any dignity and without loss of integrity IMO. Permanent Waves to GUP was a run of albums which far exceeded anything by Yes, Floyd, Tull, KC or Genesis in terms of quality, for that era, IMO.
 

I agree, with the exception of King Crimson. Robert Fripp wanted to do anything but a retread of the '70s. You may recall that '80s KC was initially a band called Discipline, kind of like Yes calling themselves Cinema before they found out they couldn't.

I love '80s KC. That said, Rush from Permanent Waves through Hold Your Fire certainly enjoyed more spin time. I couldn't begin to tell you how many hours of Rush I've heard in my lifetime.

I never heard that Yes couldn't call themselves Cinema. I think it was more that they figured they could sell more by calling it Yes.

No, King Crimson in the 80's wasn't a retread of 70's prog it was a retread of the Talking Heads. LOL


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 26 2020 at 11:18
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I still don't know how Peart had just two hands.

Or two feet.

Word....pretty crazy.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 26 2020 at 11:29
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So lot's of mixed signals about whether or not they were played on the radio before 1980(or at least how much). I guess maybe it depends on where you lived? Not sure but check this out.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3IBhYGohQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3IBhYGohQ


Edit: Ok, I see they were referring to Canada which is kind of strange considering they were from Canada. I wouldn't expect them to have less airplay in their home country than in the US but I guess that's how it was.

Well I am certain they were on the radio well before 1980. I grew up in SoCal and listening to KMET which was a huge player of prog and lesser known bands. SoCal was a radio market large enough to support Rush, Genesis and the like that was not common hard rock like Aerosmith, LZ, Journey.....So I think the city you might have been in could be a reason.
My family moved to New Orleans in 1980 and an eventual friend in my new neighborhood had all Rush albums on LP and cassette. Rush was pretty big in NO.......they were on the radio there too early on.

I've seen that YT before, but heck in the course of their career I still don't think they got massive airplay


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 26 2020 at 14:35
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I never heard that Yes couldn't call themselves Cinema. I think it was more that they figured they could sell more by calling it Yes.

There's even a Wiki page for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_%28band%29" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_(band)

Quote Cinema were a short-lived https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock" rel="nofollow - progressive rock band started in January 1982 by former https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_%28band%29" rel="nofollow - Yes members https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_White_%28Yes_drummer%29" rel="nofollow - Alan White and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Squire" rel="nofollow - Chris Squire , with guitarist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Rabin" rel="nofollow - Trevor Rabin . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_%28band%29#cite_note-1" rel="nofollow - [1] The previous year, Squire and White had formed the abortive band https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYZ_%28UK_band%29" rel="nofollow - XYZ with former https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_Zeppelin" rel="nofollow - Led Zeppelin guitarist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Page" rel="nofollow - Jimmy Page . Cinema had plans to release their debut album in 1983, and were working on a number of songs, most of which had been written by Rabin.

Later, these musicians were joined by keyboardist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Kaye_%28musician%29" rel="nofollow - Tony Kaye and, eventually, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Anderson" rel="nofollow - Jon Anderson , both founding members of the then-disbanded Yes. They started recording the album https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/90125" rel="nofollow - 90125 , but soon after this the band dropped the "Cinema" name, and continued as "Yes".

Over on Yes' page:

Quote At the suggestion of record company executives, Cinema then changed their name to Yes in June 1983. Rabin initially objected to this, as he now found that he had inadvertently joined a reunited band with a history and expectations, rather than help launch a new group.

I did hear before that there was also something to do with another existing band (not necessarily an American band) called Cinema, but the truth is there were multiple bands named Cinema, even one based in Johannesburg, South Africa, where Trevor hails from.

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

No, King Crimson in the 80's wasn't a retread of 70's prog it was a retread of the Talking Heads. LOL
 

However you want to label it, Discipline is one of the best albums of the '80s. Talking Heads never made anything that good. Wink



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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 26 2020 at 15:24
^I guess you never heard remain in light.  ;)

Anyway, yeah I know about the band Cinema that evolved into Yes just like I know about Maybel Greer's Toyshop. :P Thanks for those links. I'll look into that further.


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 26 2020 at 16:12
Re: Remain in Light

^The '80s was my "era"...lol. I heard all that stuff, the good, the bad, the best, the worst, the rad, the meh. 

Fripp was already moving in that direction, as we can hear on Exposure two years earlier. He thought Daryl Hall was the best vocalist in the biz, too.


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 26 2020 at 16:27
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Re: Remain in Light

^The '80s was my "era"...lol. I heard all that stuff, the good, the bad, the best, the worst, the rad, the meh. 

Fripp was already moving in that direction, as we can hear on Exposure two years earlier. He thought Daryl Hall was the best vocalist in the biz, too.

Maybe but I seriously doubt Discipline would have sounded the way it did if it wasn't for Remain in Light  and yes the fact that Adrian was on it is a big part of that. 

The 80's was my era too but at the time I was more into older bands. Still, not a big fan of 80's music(at least compared to other decades) for the most part. It serves mostly as nostalgia for me and not much else.


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 26 2020 at 16:37
I'm not saying Fripp didn't want to make an arthouse album like Talking Heads. I think he made the perfect arthouse-prog hybrid. Discipline sounds like a Heads album only with Zappa Band chops. That's what I meant.

The '80s was great if you were into the advancement of synthesizer technology. I was into synths and all throughout high school, one of my biggest goals was getting my first synth. I was into Tangerine Dream years before I got into Rush. I never understood the hate some fans gave Rush for incorporating synths into their sound. The decade was also great for neo-prog and film scores. A lot of really good hard rock and metal, too. Prog keyboardists like Wakeman, Banks, Bardens and Watkins released some fine solo albums. Larry Fast (Synergy) only did a couple, but they're excellent, nonetheless.

Yeah, there's a lot of crap from the '80s, too. But that goes for any decade, when you think about it.



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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 26 2020 at 17:19
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

I'm not saying Fripp didn't want to make an arthouse album like Talking Heads. I think he made the perfect arthouse-prog hybrid. Discipline sounds like a Heads album only with Zappa Band chops. That's what I meant.

The '80s was great if you were into the advancement of synthesizer technology. I was into synths and all throughout high school, one of my biggest goals was getting my first synth. I was into Tangerine Dream years before I got into Rush. I never understood the hate some fans gave Rush for incorporating synths into their sound. The decade was also great for neo-prog and film scores. A lot of really good hard rock and metal, too. Prog keyboardists like Wakeman, Banks, Bardens and Watkins released some fine solo albums. Larry Fast (Synergy) only did a couple, but they're excellent, nonetheless.

Yeah, there's a lot of crap from the '80s, too. But that goes for any decade, when you think about it.


My biggest issue with the 80's was the production and the big drum sound. I'm not talking about gated reverb either just the way the drums were put up front and produced. Listen to the Cars "heartbeat city" or ZZ Top's "afterburner." There's just something about the production that rubs me the wrong way. It's almost as if they were trying to give rock albums a dance music aesthetic or something. Yeah you can still enjoy it if you are in the right mindset or just accept it as it is but it just comes across as sounding try too hard or something. Some of the pop music actually wasn't too bad especially compared to today but again the cheesey production is the biggest offender imo.

I agree with you about neo prog, hard rock(I guess there was some) and metal(except for hair metal) and I actually like a lot of the new wave from that era. I also think some of the early alternative stuff was good. However, if I have to choose between decades for me it would go 70's, 90's, 60's then 80's. For prog it would be about the same although the last two decades would be before the 80's and you can take out the sixties since the genre hardly existed then. So no it wasn't all bad but I prefer other decades more. Plus I admit I do need to discover and rediscover more from the 80's. Back then I was mostly into(including the latest albums by) KC, Yes, Genesis, Rush, PF and MB. I liked other stuff too but not too much that was current at the time.


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 27 2020 at 02:10
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

^If they had continued in same kind of albums as "Hemispheres", I don´t believe they would have become as successful. "Permanent Waves" went into more pop direction, there really is something same as "the Police". So Rush did same thing as Genesis, Jethro Tull, Yes and Pink Floyd (in the Gilmour revival), those all become more part of the eighties sound. Although I think Moving Pictures & Signals are better albums than those other bands eighties albums (Jethro´s A is also quite good, eighties sounding progalbum), King Crimson was the only prog band that could modernize it sound with dignity. But I am not saying all those bands albums that I mentioned were totally bad.


Of all the 70's prog bands Rush were the only one who went into the 80's with any dignity and without loss of integrity IMO. Permanent Waves to GUP was a run of albums which far exceeded anything by Yes, Floyd, Tull, KC or Genesis in terms of quality, for that era, IMO.
So what´s you´re opinion about KC eighties albums? They´re really not my big favourites, but I think they´re only eighties progband albums without any or really little AOR-quality (well maybe there is some in Three of a Perfect). Of course there isn´t lots of AOR in Moving Pictures, but anyway "Limelight" & "the Camera Eye" & "Vital Signs" are sounding what´s coming next specially after "Signals".


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 27 2020 at 03:04
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

^If they had continued in same kind of albums as "Hemispheres", I don´t believe they would have become as successful. "Permanent Waves" went into more pop direction, there really is something same as "the Police". So Rush did same thing as Genesis, Jethro Tull, Yes and Pink Floyd (in the Gilmour revival), those all become more part of the eighties sound. Although I think Moving Pictures & Signals are better albums than those other bands eighties albums (Jethro´s A is also quite good, eighties sounding progalbum), King Crimson was the only prog band that could modernize it sound with dignity. But I am not saying all those bands albums that I mentioned were totally bad.


Of all the 70's prog bands Rush were the only one who went into the 80's with any dignity and without loss of integrity IMO. Permanent Waves to GUP was a run of albums which far exceeded anything by Yes, Floyd, Tull, KC or Genesis in terms of quality, for that era, IMO.
So what´s you´re opinion about KC eighties albums? They´re really not my big favourites, but I think they´re only eighties progband albums without any or really little AOR-quality (well maybe there is some in Three of a Perfect). Of course there isn´t lots of AOR in Moving Pictures, but anyway "Limelight" & "the Camera Eye" & "Vital Signs" are sounding what´s coming next specially after "Signals".


I like 80's KC, but those three albums are not a patch on their 70's efforts IMO, whereas early 80's Rush albums hold up well against their 70's albums, and are better than the 'chapter 1' albums, in terms of musicianship, maturity of song writing and originality.

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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 27 2020 at 04:50
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

^If they had continued in same kind of albums as "Hemispheres", I don´t believe they would have become as successful. "Permanent Waves" went into more pop direction, there really is something same as "the Police". So Rush did same thing as Genesis, Jethro Tull, Yes and Pink Floyd (in the Gilmour revival), those all become more part of the eighties sound. Although I think Moving Pictures & Signals are better albums than those other bands eighties albums (Jethro´s A is also quite good, eighties sounding progalbum), King Crimson was the only prog band that could modernize it sound with dignity. But I am not saying all those bands albums that I mentioned were totally bad.


Of all the 70's prog bands Rush were the only one who went into the 80's with any dignity and without loss of integrity IMO. Permanent Waves to GUP was a run of albums which far exceeded anything by Yes, Floyd, Tull, KC or Genesis in terms of quality, for that era, IMO.
So what´s you´re opinion about KC eighties albums? They´re really not my big favourites, but I think they´re only eighties progband albums without any or really little AOR-quality (well maybe there is some in Three of a Perfect). Of course there isn´t lots of AOR in Moving Pictures, but anyway "Limelight" & "the Camera Eye" & "Vital Signs" are sounding what´s coming next specially after "Signals".


I like 80's KC, but those three albums are not a patch on their 70's efforts IMO, whereas early 80's Rush albums hold up well against their 70's albums, and are better than the 'chapter 1' albums, in terms of musicianship, maturity of song writing and originality.
Well, to me "Rush-ship" started to sink straight after Hemispheres. Permanent & Moving are not bad albums, but they have same taste as many other prog bands those times, like they are headed just for "adults". Although I am not also big fan of those eighties KC-albums, they still sound much fresher & more interesting to me than any other old progband albums at same time. KC kind of "slough" itself, it´s sounding almost different band. What I try to say is that although they´re not my big faves, I really respect them. I think Jethro also succeeded same way in "A", but after that they also started sound "updated" progband.


Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: January 27 2020 at 05:18
Back on topic folks. This is a Rush thread.


Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 27 2020 at 08:36
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So lot's of mixed signals about whether or not they were played on the radio before 1980(or at least how much). I guess maybe it depends on where you lived? Not sure but check this out.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3IBhYGohQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3IBhYGohQ


Edit: Ok, I see they were referring to Canada which is kind of strange considering they were from Canada. I wouldn't expect them to have less airplay in their home country than in the US but I guess that's how it was.

Well I am certain they were on the radio well before 1980. I grew up in SoCal and listening to KMET which was a huge player of prog and lesser known bands. SoCal was a radio market large enough to support Rush, Genesis and the like that was not common hard rock like Aerosmith, LZ, Journey.....So I think the city you might have been in could be a reason.
My family moved to New Orleans in 1980 and an eventual friend in my new neighborhood had all Rush albums on LP and cassette. Rush was pretty big in NO.......they were on the radio there too early on.

I've seen that YT before, but heck in the course of their career I still don't think they got massive airplay

By their own admission they didn't get massive airplay in the U.S. However, I'm sure the amount of airplay they did get was a regional thing. In the 80s here in CT, the only time they got significant airplay was when a new album was released (and then not even a ton of airplay) and when they had a tour date in the state. At most other times, airplay on local radio was very spotty. That's going by memory or course. 


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 27 2020 at 10:34
Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So lot's of mixed signals about whether or not they were played on the radio before 1980(or at least how much). I guess maybe it depends on where you lived? Not sure but check this out.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3IBhYGohQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3IBhYGohQ


Edit: Ok, I see they were referring to Canada which is kind of strange considering they were from Canada. I wouldn't expect them to have less airplay in their home country than in the US but I guess that's how it was.

Well I am certain they were on the radio well before 1980. I grew up in SoCal and listening to KMET which was a huge player of prog and lesser known bands. SoCal was a radio market large enough to support Rush, Genesis and the like that was not common hard rock like Aerosmith, LZ, Journey.....So I think the city you might have been in could be a reason.
My family moved to New Orleans in 1980 and an eventual friend in my new neighborhood had all Rush albums on LP and cassette. Rush was pretty big in NO.......they were on the radio there too early on.

I've seen that YT before, but heck in the course of their career I still don't think they got massive airplay

By their own admission they didn't get massive airplay in the U.S. However, I'm sure the amount of airplay they did get was a regional thing. In the 80s here in CT, the only time they got significant airplay was when a new album was released (and then not even a ton of airplay) and when they had a tour date in the state. At most other times, airplay on local radio was very spotty. That's going by memory or course. 

Airplay doesn't always equal success though. Metallica, Iron Maiden, NIN, and Tool all seemed to have sold a lot of albums before they got much airplay(especailly with IM and Metallica). It seems to be mostly a thing with metal and hard rock bands though. I don't think Black Sabbath were played much on the radio either(at least in the 70's and 80's). As for Rush I am a bit too young to say about the early days but I certainly heard them on the radio after signals(first by them I bought on cassette). But I am from the northeastern US and so things might have different elsewhere.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 27 2020 at 23:39
I thought Power Windows was a great album song wise although a bit 'plastic' sounding. Hold Your Fire and Presto are my least favourite Rush albums until they got back on track with Roll The Bones. The synths were fast disappearing and the hard rock style returned.


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 01:44
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I thought Power Windows was a great album song wise although a bit 'plastic' sounding. Hold Your Fire and Presto are my least favourite Rush albums until they got back on track with Roll The Bones. The synths were fast disappearing and the hard rock style returned.
I lost my interest totally in Roll the Bones. Presto & Power Windows are OK albums, Hold Your Fire really mediocre.


Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 06:40
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I thought Power Windows was a great album song wise although a bit 'plastic' sounding. Hold Your Fire and Presto are my least favourite Rush albums until they got back on track with Roll The Bones. The synths were fast disappearing and the hard rock style returned.
I lost my interest totally in Roll the Bones. Presto & Power Windows are OK albums, Hold Your Fire really mediocre.

Roll The Bones, with the exception of Dreamline and a couple others, puts me to sleep. Might be my least favorite Rush album. Side two in particular is mostly a big snoozer. 




Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 06:49
I don't know why but I rarely listen to the post Test for Echo albums. I don't know why, they're not bad at all.


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 07:14
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I don't know why but the post Test for Echo albums that I rarely listen to. I don't know why, they're not bad at all.

They are the ones I am the least familiar with(especially vapor trails)which is why I have been listening to them lately.


Posted By: flyingveepixie
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 08:07
1974-75 : I used to go back to a friends house most days after school and we would listen to the first Rush album and marvel at Alex's guitar work.  I forgot about them for a year or two after that until one day in 1976 when I was scratching around in the "Listen" record shop at the bottom of Renfield Street in Glasgow looking for an album to buy.  Who should walk in to the shop but that same friend who I had lost touch with as I had moved away after leaving school,  and he recommended I should buy All The Worlds a Stage, which I did.  That was it - I was hooked and couldn't stop listening to it. 

Then came the Farewell to Kings tour : 12th June 1977 at Glasgow Apollo, where Xanadu was first aired live as a track from the forthcoming album and which is still seared into my memories 43 years later.  Those double necks and the Taurus Bass Pedals..!!  I remember the caption on the back of the tour programme from that show which read  - "Rush : They must have been one hell of a band"

 The following year saw them do 2 nights at the Apollo in February and I was there again.  I remember Alex's sound wasn't so great that time, and I was such a daft 17 year old kid that I rang up the Albany Hotel at around 5.30pm on the second night before running out to catch the bus in to town to mention it to him.  I didn't expect to be put through, but bloody hell - suddenly there he was on the other end of the phone line waiting for me to say something, so I came straight out with it.  Alex told me that Apparently they had been having some issues with some transformers they were having to use to step up the voltage as all their amps were configured to US voltage which is 110V whereas in the UK we used 230V and it was this which was causing the problem with the sound.  I don't know if that was actually the case or not, but it's what he told me and it sounded plausible enough....

After that I continued to attend every show Rush played at Glasgow Apollo until 1982,  and can proudly state that I am a fully fledged member of the Glasgow Apollo "Choir" on the live version of Closer to the Heart on Exit Stage Left.

As far as I'm concerned the best time for Rush was the 1970s and 80s up to and including Hold your Fire.  After that I thought they kind of went a bit flat.  I saw them in 1987 in a big barn-like arena made of concrete and steel, and the sound was totally sh*te, and same again in 2007 in a similar big arena where the sound was again totally sh*te.  I don't know why any self respecting bands even consider such venues where the sound is always so poor but there you go....    Anyway, that was the last time I saw them and I can only offer humble thanks and the greatest appreciation for all that they gave me over the years both in terms of listening and watching enjoyment,  and their collective influence on my own playing technique.

RIP Neil. You will be sorely missed.


Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 08:34
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I don't know why but I rarely listen to the post test for Echo albums. I don't know why, they're not bad at all.

I'm in the same place as you. You're right, they're not bad but I'm not sure how good they are overall. Certainly, there are standout tracks but I wish those albums had a more varied sound. There is a sameness to the songs. I find that when I get the urge to listen to one of those, I spin it once and then I'm good for years before I need to hear it again. For me, that's pretty telling.


Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 12:44
After MP...no rush track over 7 mins? The smoking gun? A bit like Duke with genesis...Rush made an abysmal effort after MP...and I lost all interest in them to concentrate on prog bands who were still giving me what I wanted...not synth based pop!

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Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 13:24
I only saw them live twice. The first time in 1980 on the PeW tour at the Manchester Apollo when I was 16, the second time on the Clockwork Angels tour in 2013 at the Manchester Arena. I loved Rush up to Power Windows and I really didn't like the poppy nature of the songs and missed the long pieces. I did buy HYF, but I got half way through Force Ten and sacked it off. I still have that vinyl and only played it  through fully a few weeks ago. I returned to Rush when CA came out and revisited all the albums I'd missed from HYF. My highlight from that lot is Vapor Trails - I know a lot of Rush fans dislike that album (the lack of guitar solos maybe the reason), but I love it, notably Secret Touch, which is one of my favourite Rush songs. Of course I own all the vinyl up to HYF, but have since bought' Sectors 1, 2 and 3 and have all the concerts on Blu-ray (at least 2 of each due to the R40 boxset), as well as other DVDs (even ESL on VHS somewhere lol)


Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 14:36
The 80's stuff didn't bother me. I actually like a lot of it. I was not a fan of the last three studio albums.  From vapor Trails on the production seemed to get very crunchy & muddy.( Grungy maybe?)  On the older albums there was always clear definition between the instruments, even on the heavy songs like Xanadu,2112 , La Villa Strangiato... They changed something on the last three albums & it just didn't work for me, not sure why.  


Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 14:39
^ Argo. If your house was on fire and you could only save five rush cd's from the blaze...bet none of them would be from the 80's or later...

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Play me my song.....Here it comes again.......


Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 14:45
^ Well if you count Moving Picture & Permanent waves as 80's ( both released in 1980) you would be wrong.
Also, even though Power Windows is considered one of their more pop albums I like it a lot. 


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 15:29
Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

^ Well if you count Moving Picture & Permanent waves as 80's ( both released in 1980) you would be wrong.
Also, even though Power Windows is considered one of their more pop albums I like it a lot. 


Moving Pictures was released in 1981.

I also love Power Windows. Big smile


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 28 2020 at 23:54
Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

^ Argo. If your house was on fire and you could only save five rush cd's from the blaze...bet none of them would be from the 80's or later...
 

that's a completely ridiculous hypothetical situation


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 29 2020 at 05:46
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I don't know why but the post Test for Echo albums that I rarely listen to. I don't know why, they're not bad at all.

They are the ones I am the least familiar with(especially vapor trails)which is why I have been listening to them lately.

I'd say clockwork angels is better than TFE. S&A is about the same though.My personal favorite Rush albums are in the 70's and 80's though. They lost a certain magic after Hold your fire imo. That album in fact is very underrated imo. I'll admit part of is because I'm a synth/keyboard guy and synths didn't really appear all that much after HYF.


Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 29 2020 at 06:55
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

^ Argo. If your house was on fire and you could only save five rush cd's from the blaze...bet none of them would be from the 80's or later...
 

that's a completely ridiculous hypothetical situation

If aliens landed and started slaughtering the populace and even though that was happening you still wanted to introduce them to the majesty that is Rush which five albums would you play for them, or try to play for them while dodging laser fire?



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