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    Posted: June 19 2019 at 05:58
Choose one event, album, single (etc.) to divide the history of the Beatles into just two meaningful periods.

For example, Period 1: Before George Martin, Period 2: After. Rationale: they were a great live act and would’ve probably had a few hit singles without him, but hooking up with Martin was the turning point in their career.
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...but for me, it’s Rubber Soul. Period 1: great pop/rock band. Period 2: greatest pop/rock band.
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The one event that changed them was the giving up of touring which enabled them to spend more time in the studio.
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The Beatles can actually be divided into three periods.  

The first dividing line seems to be pretty well agreed upon.  Help -> Rubber Soul.  Where they went from catchy but still simple and unremarkable little ditties/boy band pop songs and emerged into a massive explosion of what could be done in pop music. 

That middle period, comprised of Rubber Soul and Revolver, and to some degree, Sgt. Pepper, was the peak of Beatle awesomenedd before the third and final period, when all that creativity and experimentation went awry, descending into a mix of drug-addled gibberish, silly indulgence, and mindless hippie escapism.  


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That's impossible because whatever periodization one might think of with the Beatles, it is the result of many different things.

For instance the transformation from happy dance pop á la "She Loves You" to deeper and more artistic music can not be fixed to one specific event. There are many aspects: Discovering Bob Dylan (1964), cannabis and LSD (1964 and 1965), influence from other forward thinking musicians, exploring avant-garde, new recording techniques etc.
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Beatles before "Rubber Soul" and Beatles from "Rubber Soul" on


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Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

The Beatles can actually be divided into four periods.  

The first dividing line seems to be pretty well agreed upon.  Help -> Rubber Soul.  Where they went from catchy but still simple and unremarkable little ditties/boy band pop songs and emerged into a massive explosion of what could be done in pop music. 

That middle period, comprised of Rubber Soul and Revolver, and to some degree, Sgt. Pepper, was the peak of Beatle awesomenedd before the third and final period, when all that creativity and experimentation went awry, descending into a mix of drug-addled gibberish, silly indulgence, and mindless hippie escapism.  
That's only 3 and I really don't think you can call Abbey Road "drug-addled gibberish, silly indulgence, and mindless hippie escapism"


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Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

The Beatles can actually be divided into four periods.  

The first dividing line seems to be pretty well agreed upon.  Help -> Rubber Soul.  Where they went from catchy but still simple and unremarkable little ditties/boy band pop songs and emerged into a massive explosion of what could be done in pop music. 

That middle period, comprised of Rubber Soul and Revolver, and to some degree, Sgt. Pepper, was the peak of Beatle awesomenedd before the third and final period, when all that creativity and experimentation went awry, descending into a mix of drug-addled gibberish, silly indulgence, and mindless hippie escapism.  

I don't agree with this; the "White Album" is in my opinion the peak of the Beatles, not the usually mentioned "Sergeant Pepper". "Rubber Soul", "Revolver" and "Sergeant Pepper" are all great too though. but the "White Album" is simply superb; it is so extremely diverse

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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

The Beatles can actually be divided into four periods.  

The first dividing line seems to be pretty well agreed upon.  Help -> Rubber Soul.  Where they went from catchy but still simple and unremarkable little ditties/boy band pop songs and emerged into a massive explosion of what could be done in pop music. 

That middle period, comprised of Rubber Soul and Revolver, and to some degree, Sgt. Pepper, was the peak of Beatle awesomenedd before the third and final period, when all that creativity and experimentation went awry, descending into a mix of drug-addled gibberish, silly indulgence, and mindless hippie escapism.  

I don't agree with this; the "White Album" is in my opinion the peak of the Beatles, not the usually mentioned "Sergeant Pepper". "Rubber Soul", "Revolver" and "Sergeant Pepper" are all great too though. but the "White Album" is simply superb; it is so extremely diverse
I couldn't agree more, although perversely it's a bit like 4 solo albums (or 3 solo albums and a single from Ringo).
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Beatles before "Rubber Soul" and Beatles from "Rubber Soul" on
 

My thoughts also.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

The one event that changed them was the giving up of touring which enabled them to spend more time in the studio.
My opinion too.
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I don't agree with this; the "White Album" is in my opinion the peak of the Beatles, not the usually mentioned "Sergeant Pepper". "Rubber Soul", "Revolver" and "Sergeant Pepper" are all great too though. but the "White Album" is simply superb; it is so extremely diverse[/QUOTE]

 
Agreed Jean,  The White Album is my favorite Beatles album as well, some great stuff on it and as you said, very diverse.
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Liverpool. The world.
The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
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Liverpool. The world.
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White album is incredible, a true masterpiece!
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Beatles before "Rubber Soul" and Beatles from "Rubber Soul" on

yes, pretty much!
I agree Smile
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Originally posted by patrickq patrickq wrote:

Choose one event, album, single (etc.) to divide the history of the Beatles into just two meaningful periods.
 
I thought most people believed it was Yoko Ono that divided The Beatles.

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I think Revolver marks the point the Beatles became more experimental & adventurous. I think from that point forward they were a more evolved ground breaking band. 
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Pre- and post-Epstein.  (summer '67)

"I knew that we were in trouble then ... I thought, 'We've had it now."
-John

"I don't think they'd have got anywhere without Brian."
-Cynthia

"If anyone was the fifth Beatle, it was Brian."
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

The Beatles can actually be divided into four periods.  

The first dividing line seems to be pretty well agreed upon.  Help -> Rubber Soul.  Where they went from catchy but still simple and unremarkable little ditties/boy band pop songs and emerged into a massive explosion of what could be done in pop music. 

That middle period, comprised of Rubber Soul and Revolver, and to some degree, Sgt. Pepper, was the peak of Beatle awesomenedd before the third and final period, when all that creativity and experimentation went awry, descending into a mix of drug-addled gibberish, silly indulgence, and mindless hippie escapism.  
That's only 3 and I really don't think you can call Abbey Road "drug-addled gibberish, silly indulgence, and mindless hippie escapism"

Sorry, not sure why I typed four.  I have fixed my original post. 

Come Together = Drug Addled Gibberish
Maxwell's Silver Hammer = Even many Beatlemaniacs don't like this one
Octopus's Garden = Silly indulgence, and juvenile at that.  
I Want You (She's So Heavy) = Mind numbingly repetitious, so yes, indulgent.  And what does I Want You have to do with someone being So Heavy?  And who the hell is "she" anyway.  The song is musically interesting enough to hold for about three minutes (like most Beatle songs) but wears out its welcome long before it hits its 7+ total.  As for the lyrics, they're done even sooner.  

Other silliness follows in some of the subsequent songs.  
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