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moshkito 
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 Posted: November 30 2018 at 18:24 |
I think that you are only listening to the instrument, not to the player. This, was one of the things that Rachel Flowers has done to Keith, and all of a sudden, his music stands out quite a bit, and the compositional side of his work, is very good, and I would like to see him considered one of the great composers around. All you have to do, is listen to Rachel do TARKUS on the piano alone, and if you do not hear a fantastic composer, I would think that it is not the music you are listening to. Jon, has a lot of great things, though I really think that the majority of stuff with DP is not half as good as many other things, and in most cases, Jon's stuff is a filler to DP, not an individualistic piece that was added with 2 other guys to make something out of ELP ... which Rachel shows us, how strong, his material was ... Keith is much more valuable to ELP, than Jon is to DP. so to speak ... the compositional side of things is very visible in ELP, and not so on DP, which was more enchanted with being a famous and LOUD rock band, than it was in creating great music as noted by their concert piece that was booed in America by audiences that hated it, and only wanted to hear 2 or 3 songs! |
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Naglefar
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Posted: November 30 2018 at 23:35 |
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Excellent song. That is a very interesting observation, your ears must have excellent tonal recognition. This is certainly one of the bright spots on a sadly disappointing album, for me at least. Maybe it's just living in "The Raven.."s shadow, or perhaps the choiry, almost Christian rock vocals on some songs (i.e. S/T track).
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rminsk
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Posted: December 01 2018 at 01:09 |
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Squonk19
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Posted: December 01 2018 at 02:32 |
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^^ Moshkito - it was just a throwaway comment about how a Hammond organ sound can echo the work of others from the past. Of course different players bring something different to each composition they create, and each player is not defined solely by the sound of their instrument. The discussion of the skills of Keith Emerson and Rachel Flowers is interesting but is largely irrelevant to this topic as defined by the OP. My mistake, if my little, light-hearted, one-liner threatens to cause the thread to be derailed by others. I'll leave the irony out next time!
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: December 01 2018 at 03:30 |
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Digressing here, but Dave Stewart took the sounds of the Hammond into realms hitherto unezplored. And it’s the best sounding Hammond (and playing) that I’ve ever heard. No Jon Lord, no Emerson......
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moshkito
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Posted: December 01 2018 at 07:14 |
With all due respect, the comment requested an open and honest discussion, and now you are calling it a "throwaway comment" .... and essentially disavowing that actual discussion of what you were hoping for, which, might have needed different words. It is the biggest single issue I have with PA, sometimes, when people only go for the "sound" ... as in sounds like GENESIS, or sounds like ELP, or sounds like YES ... and so on, and the sad part of all that is that it takes away from the person actually playing the music. Look, the Hammond was one of the few organs available to rock bands at the time, that sounded reasonable on a stage and did not require 1,000 minutes to tune up ... why would you NOT expect so many bands to have a similar sound to it? E. Power Biggs, even! Your comment, is sad, for me, because now you are disavowing your interest in the music itself, as if it went a bit better and higher than you intended. The Hammond sound for you is more interesting than the music itself ... how weird! Plz, at the very least, be honest and fair ... my comments were trying to help DEFINE what you stated, and instead, you took it personally, which was not the intent. And showing RF as an example, would immediately destroy your argument that Keith was all about the Hammond, and he wasn't as Rachel shows, but I'm not sure you have the ear to sit through a piano concerto like Rachel gives us, and that might be the real problem with your question ... all of a sudden that Hammond "sound" is gone, and you can not hear the music in it. Many rock musicians of our days past, and future are as good if not better than any classical composer in the past 1000 years that our memory can define ... please allow Keith to stand up and show his work. By simplifying it and saying that Bach can only do harpsichords in 27 different keys, is really ... really! ... poor discussion of music altogether. Same for Jon, and many others!
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rminsk
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Posted: December 02 2018 at 16:17 |
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Talking about Keith compositions. Did you know he composed string quartets?
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moshkito
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Posted: December 04 2018 at 07:25 |
Yes, and I knew that 40 years ago, when most folks thought that some of that stuff he did was silly and stupid, and one reviewer in LA was upset that they had done some classical music in concert at the FORUM! Where Caeser died, of course ... oooppppssss ... real music was killed with the worst sound system EVER. Nowadays, you only hear of his classical stuff by accident, and RF has done more than just a couple of his rock pieces. She has probably done more Keith Emerson than we will EVER know, or appreciate!
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