How hard is Apocalypse in 9/8 from Supper's Ready |
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MarketSquareHero
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Posted: May 31 2018 at 10:19 |
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So I am reffering to the keyboard solo, which I am kind of proud I can easily play :D
What difficulty from 0 to 10 do you guys think it should be classified at? |
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Lamneth
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Maybe you should be the one to answer that, since you're playing it?
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SteveG
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Depends. If Rick Wakeman played it then I give it a difficulty rating of 4.
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MarketSquareHero
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Well I would give it a 6, but I wanted to know you guys' opinion kind of to compare myself to other keyboardists ;)
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Manuel
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I'm not a keyboard payer, but I believe with enough practice, you can master most any solo.
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hieronymous
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I think 6 sounds reasonable - it's not incredibly virtuosic, and yet not simplistic, plus it's over an odd time.
I love the bass line - it sounds random if you aren't paying attention but it's actually a repeating pattern, and a lot of fun to play and put energy into. I guess that's another aspect - it's one thing to play along note-for-note, but to be able to perform it with a band is another thing.
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ForestFriend
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I'd give it maybe a 3 or a 4, just because the keyboard world is filled with things that are much, much more difficult than it. I didn't find it really hard to play, although I haven't actually gotten around to learning the chords that he plays underneath the solo, so that would add another layer of difficulty if I actually got around to doing that.
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heavydrum
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i can play the song song on drums but... it's not really the same :D
i think the most difficult thing about playing that particular section, on any instrument, is to always keep your internal hearing fixed on the 9/8 meter and not to be distracted by all the stuff that's going on around you. didn't really answer your question but it's another point of view :)
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O666
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With practice and hard try , You can play difficult solos but not as the Original version. IMO copy or colon is or are just technical side of music and everyone can earn this skill. For me , make and CREATE is valuable .
ART is so faaaaaaaaaaaar from copy. Playing so difficult solos dont make an Artist IMO
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Davesax1965
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I think the OP is confusing learning to play a piece by repeating it time and time again with the difficulty of actually coming up with the piece in the first place.
You can learn anything by repetition, repetition, repetition. All guitar solos you hear on stage have been thought through a thousand times before. Let's suppose you sit there for 20 years and learn every single note Hendrix played. You go on stage, play it, note for note perfect. You've not really achieved anything except to copy someone elses' ideas. The real difficulty in music is learning to improvise and compose. |
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twosteves
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Don't think it's terribly difficult--Banks didn't care about difficult like Rick and Keith--he just played whats right for the song---I read Rutherford and Collins worked on the beat and Tony played over it---but what Banks does which is so great and he does it on many songs which is why he is the best keys composer---is he develops sections and changes the mood and know how to build to a great climax
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ForestFriend
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Composition/improvisation and performance are completely separate aspects of music, and I don't feel there's anything unworthy about spending a lot of time dedicated to performing someone else's works. Plus, many people compose and improvise music that they are happy with, yet aren't at the level of performance that they want to be at. |
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HackettFan
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The solo is composed of a lot of notes of all equal duration. Nothing unpredictable about which notes are accented. The note selection seems to work in some sort of evolving cycle that feels more like an exercise than a lead. For myself, I find 9/8 a very intuitive time signature. Then again, I don’t play keyboards. I don’t really know what’s difficult on keyboards (other than everything), so I’m not giving a rating. Nevertheless, I do endorse everything twosteves said.
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Hey HackettFan! Long time, no speak! Hope everything is going well for you.
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genbanks
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Of course, the main thing on master Banks is on the composition...as Twosteves well said he didn't care much about the virtuous side, his objective was always to create the right ambient to the musical piece, and God that he did it. He was the chord designer of the band, and maybe one of the best on the prog universe, but he did great melodies too. But Apocalypse is just a creation with the addition of the four musicians, Phil, Mike and Tony, and Peter with these great melody line of the vocals. Songwritting is the key that made Genesis so grandiose, not virtuous playing, despiting all of them were great performers too. So to rate music about its difficulty alone, has not much sense for me. In fact you can listen many virtuous creations from Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson, but almost never can reach the beauty of many of Banks cretions (IMO).
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twosteves
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well said genbanks
you a very smart tasteful man
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Mirror Image
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Yeah, I’m doing pretty good. We do need a guitar thread, but the problem with that kind of thread is I have a hunch it’ll turn into ‘my favorite is better than your favorite’ with the way some members seem to post here.
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Bedbug
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I don't think that solo is a particularly hard part to play although I've never sat down and tried to learn it so maybe it is......
The true beauty of it is in the composition and the melody. As a lad I used to enjoy playing along with the guitar and/or bass parts in Apocalypse 9/8 - technically not that difficult, but maintaining the level of concentration to keep it going without making a mistake for the entire length of the part was always a challenge for me....maybe it's the same with the keyboard part...? |
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Nailed it. My father likes to say "Yeah, anyone can learn it once it's already a thing, but what about the guy that had to come up with it from scratch?" Apples and oranges, yet people will still call it a sandwich instead of a fruit salad.
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