How hard is Apocalypse in 9/8 from Supper's Ready
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Topic: How hard is Apocalypse in 9/8 from Supper's Ready
Posted By: MarketSquareHero
Subject: How hard is Apocalypse in 9/8 from Supper's Ready
Date Posted: May 31 2018 at 10:19
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So I am reffering to the keyboard solo, which I am kind of proud I can easily play :D What difficulty from 0 to 10 do you guys think it should be classified at? |
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Posted By: Lamneth
Date Posted: May 31 2018 at 12:43
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Maybe you should be the one to answer that, since you're playing it? |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: May 31 2018 at 12:46
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Depends. If Rick Wakeman played it then I give it a difficulty rating of 4. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: MarketSquareHero
Date Posted: May 31 2018 at 13:38
| Well I would give it a 6, but I wanted to know you guys' opinion kind of to compare myself to other keyboardists ;) |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: May 31 2018 at 14:35
| I'm not a keyboard payer, but I believe with enough practice, you can master most any solo. |
Posted By: hieronymous
Date Posted: May 31 2018 at 16:28
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I think 6 sounds reasonable - it's not incredibly virtuosic, and yet not simplistic, plus it's over an odd time. I love the bass line - it sounds random if you aren't paying attention but it's actually a repeating pattern, and a lot of fun to play and put energy into. I guess that's another aspect - it's one thing to play along note-for-note, but to be able to perform it with a band is another thing.
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Posted By: ForestFriend
Date Posted: May 31 2018 at 19:21
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I'd give it maybe a 3 or a 4, just because the keyboard world is filled with things that are much, much more difficult than it. I didn't find it really hard to play, although I haven't actually gotten around to learning the chords that he plays underneath the solo, so that would add another layer of difficulty if I actually got around to doing that. ------------- https://borealkinship.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My prog band - Boreal Kinship |
Posted By: heavydrum
Date Posted: June 01 2018 at 02:39
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i can play the song song on drums but... it's not really the same :D i think the most difficult thing about playing that particular section, on any instrument, is to always keep your internal hearing fixed on the 9/8 meter and not to be distracted by all the stuff that's going on around you. didn't really answer your question but it's another point of view :)
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: June 01 2018 at 02:52
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With practice and hard try , You can play difficult solos but not as the Original version. IMO copy or colon is or are just technical side of music and everyone can earn this skill. For me , make and CREATE is valuable . ART is so faaaaaaaaaaaar from copy. Playing so difficult solos dont make an Artist IMO
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Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: June 01 2018 at 06:20
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I think the OP is confusing learning to play a piece by repeating it time and time again with the difficulty of actually coming up with the piece in the first place. You can learn anything by repetition, repetition, repetition. All guitar solos you hear on stage have been thought through a thousand times before. Let's suppose you sit there for 20 years and learn every single note Hendrix played. You go on stage, play it, note for note perfect. You've not really achieved anything except to copy someone elses' ideas. The real difficulty in music is learning to improvise and compose. ------------- |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: June 01 2018 at 08:26
Don't think it's terribly difficult--Banks didn't care about difficult like Rick and Keith--he just played whats right for the song---I read Rutherford and Collins worked on the beat and Tony played over it---but what Banks does which is so great and he does it on many songs which is why he is the best keys composer---is he develops sections and changes the mood and know how to build to a great climax 
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Posted By: ForestFriend
Date Posted: June 01 2018 at 18:17
Composition/improvisation and performance are completely separate aspects of music, and I don't feel there's anything unworthy about spending a lot of time dedicated to performing someone else's works. Plus, many people compose and improvise music that they are happy with, yet aren't at the level of performance that they want to be at. ------------- https://borealkinship.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My prog band - Boreal Kinship |
Davesax1965 wrote:Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: June 01 2018 at 20:32
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The solo is composed of a lot of notes of all equal duration. Nothing unpredictable about which notes are accented. The note selection seems to work in some sort of evolving cycle that feels more like an exercise than a lead. For myself, I find 9/8 a very intuitive time signature. Then again, I don’t play keyboards. I don’t really know what’s difficult on keyboards (other than everything), so I’m not giving a rating. Nevertheless, I do endorse everything twosteves said. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: June 01 2018 at 21:07
Hey HackettFan! Long time, no speak! Hope everything is going well for you. ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: June 01 2018 at 21:13
| Of course, the main thing on master Banks is on the composition...as Twosteves well said he didn't care much about the virtuous side, his objective was always to create the right ambient to the musical piece, and God that he did it. He was the chord designer of the band, and maybe one of the best on the prog universe, but he did great melodies too. But Apocalypse is just a creation with the addition of the four musicians, Phil, Mike and Tony, and Peter with these great melody line of the vocals. Songwritting is the key that made Genesis so grandiose, not virtuous playing, despiting all of them were great performers too. So to rate music about its difficulty alone, has not much sense for me. In fact you can listen many virtuous creations from Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson, but almost never can reach the beauty of many of Banks cretions (IMO). |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: June 01 2018 at 22:41
well said genbanks you a very smart tasteful man
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: June 01 2018 at 22:55
------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: June 01 2018 at 23:10
Yeah, I’m doing pretty good. We do need a guitar thread, but the problem with that kind of thread is I have a hunch it’ll turn into ‘my favorite is better than your favorite’ with the way some members seem to post here. ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: Bedbug
Date Posted: June 02 2018 at 00:30
I don't think that solo is a particularly hard part to play although I've never sat down and tried to learn it so maybe it is...... The true beauty of it is in the composition and the melody. As a lad I used to enjoy playing along with the guitar and/or bass parts in Apocalypse 9/8 - technically not that difficult, but maintaining the level of concentration to keep it going without making a mistake for the entire length of the part was always a challenge for me....maybe it's the same with the keyboard part...? |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: June 03 2018 at 03:58
Nailed it. My father likes to say "Yeah, anyone can learn it once it's already a thing, but what about the guy that had to come up with it from scratch?" Apples and oranges, yet people will still call it a sandwich instead of a fruit salad. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 04 2018 at 00:03
Could you post a video playing it? I don't think the Supper's Ready organ solo is as difficult to play as the piano intro to "Firth of Fifth," but then again, I am but a humble prog bassist. All of those black & white keys confuse me.  ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: MarketSquareHero
Date Posted: June 05 2018 at 10:02
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Ok, so I got what you guys said, maybe imitating a piece isn't what really matters, but creating one does One thing though, the fact that I'm 15 years old could give me a point? :) |
Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: June 05 2018 at 14:48
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Hey Andrew, Congrats for your achievement... It may be good news for anyone who might look for keyboardist playing a similarly built solo ! If your ambition is to play more complex parts you'll just go for it and, given your high motivation, we can only look forward. The most complex possible parts are very long with many interwoven lines, patterns that won't repeat, demanding very quick and precise moves, crazy polyrythms and harmonies etc, so that Apocalypse solo has a lot of ingredients, but is still quite far from that top. If you choose a superbly sounding part that only lifelong trained extremely talented World -class players can master at their very top, you'll get the ultimate legend aura, but since it's possible to impress or get the total trip with much less sacrifices, only people who can't help it taking extreme lifelong challenges will go for it. Time will tell !! No big name possible without a lot of touring, or sort of being a lottery winner. There are countless players one could admire for their talents... But if one just enjoys playing others' parts, no shame for being proud, really !!!
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 06 2018 at 16:07
You are my hero! I wish we lived next door to one another, it would be grand! Please keep up the hard work, my friend! ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: MarketSquareHero
Date Posted: June 07 2018 at 14:18
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Hahahah thank you, you say that because you are the same age as I am? Well, us living next door I'm afraid it may be very difficult :(, because. I'm not even from the north hemisphere |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 07 2018 at 20:49
My friend, I am older than dirt!! I turn 63 in a few days! Seriously, it is very hard to get together for progressive music jamming these days....everyone is too damn busy. Here I am, playing some serious rock music with an old friend (he is on Rickenbacker), and I miss times like these!  ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: MarketSquareHero
Date Posted: June 09 2018 at 10:24
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I know what you mean I have friends with similar music taste as me, but actually jamming on odd time signatures or playing those long prog songs is something that I still wish to do
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