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   It don't think it's a WebWiz issue, at least particularly, as it seems all over the site (forums, reviews, additions, corrections....).  It doesn't personally bother me with the forum, but in terms of the DB it's a real pain. I mean it bothers me that the forum is a pain to others (hardly ever hits me in the forums), but that's not what gives me the greatest troubles.

I think this may be a google captcha thing, and is more than a security issue and part of a greater experiment -- a learning/recognition process in security and other technological developments.  Perhaps we are being Turing tested by AI that becomes more sophisticated all the time. Will be be deemed more human than human, and/or inferior to robots? 

Please "Open the pod bay doors, M@x".

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Logan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37255	Posted: May 06 2017 at 11:48
	It don't think it's a WebWiz issue, at least particularly, as it seems all over the site (forums, reviews, additions, corrections....). It doesn't personally bother me with the forum, but in terms of the DB it's a real pain. I mean it bothers me that the forum is a pain to others (hardly ever hits me in the forums), but that's not what gives me the greatest troubles. I think this may be a google captcha thing, and is more than a security issue and part of a greater experiment -- a learning/recognition process in security and other technological developments. Perhaps we are being Turing tested by AI that becomes more sophisticated all the time. Will be be deemed more human than human, and/or inferior to robots? Please "Open the pod bay doors, M@x".

yam yam Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Crossover Team Joined: June 16 2011 Location: Kerberos Status: Offline Points: 7098	Posted: May 06 2017 at 12:39
	The issue is related to M@X's use of Cloudflare to protect the site from malicious attack, spammers etc. Nothing wrong with that - other sites have been doing it for several years now, but it doesn't seem to be very well implemented on this site at all. Whether or not you get the challenge depends on your IP address and whether it has any history of recent problematic activity in one of their data sources. Read this Cloudflare support article: https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/203366080-Why-do-I-see-a-captcha-or-challenge-page-Attention-Required-trying-to-visit-a-site-protected-by-Cloudflare-as-a-site-visitor-. The captcha is triggered specifically because of the security settings that M@X has got turned on. As I've said before, the captcha itself ain't a problem - it's the damned 'Access Denied' errors that get repeatedly thrown back at you that are destroying the site, something which has to be down to the site software itself rather than the Cloudflare protection shield....and M@X needs to address the reasons for these errors asap.

Logan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37255	Posted: May 06 2017 at 12:50
	Ah yes, David, thank you -- Cloudflare security. I was seeming a bit paranoid. So not an evil google "AI is watching you" dystopian scenario. I think things may improve soon.

someone_else Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24640	Posted: May 06 2017 at 14:47
	I am 100% sure that the CAPTCHA crap has nothing to do with WebWiz. It is implemented deliberately on PA. MMA and JMA don't have this impemented, apparently. A forum search on the word CAPTCHA did not return results anyway. I still don't see how this makes sense, unless the sense is annoying the posters. The poor quality of some images makes it even worse.


DamoXt7942 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17493	Posted: May 07 2017 at 06:25
	Suppose M@X would have removed ******g CrAPTCHA ... my test first. EDIT: 4th test. Edited by DamoXt7942 - May 07 2017 at 06:28


DamoXt7942 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17493	Posted: May 07 2017 at 06:26
	My second test. EDIT: third test. Edited by DamoXt7942 - May 07 2017 at 06:28


DamoXt7942 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17493	Posted: May 07 2017 at 06:32
	CrAPTCHA?


micky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838	Posted: May 07 2017 at 06:32
	bronx cheer

micky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838	Posted: May 07 2017 at 06:33
	nope.... captcha alive

DamoXt7942 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17493	Posted: May 07 2017 at 06:34
	yep ... sadly.


DamoXt7942 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17493	Posted: May 07 2017 at 06:37
	Once again via full reply post form.


DamoXt7942 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17493	Posted: May 07 2017 at 06:37
	Again via quick one.


micky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838	Posted: May 07 2017 at 06:37
	well I'll take it as a sign Keishiro that our fearless leader is no longer our dear clueless leader. Good enough that he is trying to get rid of it. He'll get it eventually. Just not yet. Just nice to know he's finally paying attention.

micky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838	Posted: May 07 2017 at 06:39
	though I must say.. Captcha has done some good... I do pay closer attention to street signs now when driving.

micky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838	Posted: May 07 2017 at 06:43
	log out/in test.. captcha always goes for the first post .. and

micky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838	Posted: May 07 2017 at 06:44
	no captpcha that time.

micky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838	Posted: May 07 2017 at 06:45
	I

micky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838	Posted: May 07 2017 at 06:45
	love

micky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838	Posted: May 07 2017 at 06:45
	spam

micky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838	Posted: May 07 2017 at 06:46
	and